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SpikeC
01-13-2013, 06:24 PM
I understand the difference between soda and powder, what I don't understand is how they are used in a few recipes that I am playing around with. I am making waffles using almond flour instead of wheat flour. Most of the recipes that I find use baking soda, butt one uses both. It seems to me that just using baking powder would make the most sense. I am not seeing the acid component that soda would require. Is using both a belt and suspenders sort of thing?
And how much powder, if used, would be appropriate for 2 cups of almond flower?
I eagerly await elucidation from the baking gurus!

Von blewitt
01-13-2013, 06:48 PM
I'm no baking guru, but I think the tartaric acid in baking powder helps with the rise, but too much can leave a metallic taste in the finished product. Maybe adding only baking soda and a squeeze of lemon or a splash of buttermilk might yield a similar result?

SpikeC
01-13-2013, 07:30 PM
Lemon would probably work with the flavor profile. My powder has monocalcium phosphate, how does that differ from tartaric acid? (As far as flavor is concerned?)

Pensacola Tiger
01-13-2013, 07:34 PM
"Both baking powder and baking soda are chemical leavening agents that cause batters to rise when baked. The leavener enlarges the bubbles which are already present in the batter produced through creaming of ingredients. When a recipe contains baking powder and baking soda, the baking powder does most of the leavening. The baking soda is added to neutralize the acids in the recipe plus to add tenderness and some leavening."

http://askville.amazon.com/recipes-baking-powder-soda/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=677591

Forget the lemon juice, Spike.

Von blewitt
01-13-2013, 07:37 PM
Thanks Rick, sorry for the Bum steer Spike :)
I'll stay out of the pastry kitchen :D

SpikeC
01-13-2013, 07:44 PM
Thanks for the link! I should have been able to find that myself, butt as I didn't I appreciate the help. Now I have a better understanding of the system and will make some waffles tomorrow. These are really good, by the way!
P.S. I didn't realize that honey was acidic!

Lucretia
01-13-2013, 08:09 PM
Recipe?

Vertigo
01-13-2013, 09:02 PM
Thanks Rick. I've always wondered that myself and never thought to like... look it up. :angel2:

rahimlee54
01-13-2013, 09:12 PM
Yeast waffle (http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/belgian-style-yeast-waffles-recipe)s are my favorite, no need for Powder or soda :)

ajhuff
01-13-2013, 10:26 PM
I always use baking powder in my waffles and pancakes, not soda. Hmmm...

-AJ

mpukas
01-13-2013, 10:50 PM
I'm not a baking guru, but I do make pancakes, pastry dough, and various confections, etc quite a bit. As I understand it, baking soda is more about the PH level than it is about a rising/leavening agent, but PH level also affects rising. Baking soda is alkalinem lowers OPH level, and increases browning (Maillard reaction), hence increaing flavor.

FWIW, I use both baking powder and baking soda in my pancakes, and I usually add a little lemon juice and lemon zest to the batter (acidic). I general rule of thumb I use is 1 tsp baking powder and 1/4-1/2 tsp baking soda per 1 cup of dry ingredients.

Everything we cook with has a PH level, and most things are acidic. Most seasonings are acidic - salt, sugar, honey, vinegar, etc. Baking soa can also be used in dry spice rubs to enhance browning.

From ATK:

The baking soda and the baking powder in cobbler biscuits provide leavening. But did you know that the baking soda also serves another function? It enhances browning. In fact, many pastry chefs add a little baking soda to baked goods to promote browning, rather than to cause lift and rise.

Browning, known as the Maillard reaction, is an extremely important phenomenon in cooking because browned food tastes better. When carbohydrates and proteins are heated together the sugar (from the carbohydrates) and the amino acids (from the proteins) combine to form hundreds of new, distinct flavor compounds. This means that browned food has much more complex, interesting flavors than food that is not browned. So anything that increases browning is a good thing.

Why does baking soda increase browning? Because browning occurs best in an alkaline environment. Here's how it works. An amino acid molecule has two ends--one is the amino end and one is the acid end. As you might guess, the acid end is acidic, but (as you might not guess) the amino end is alkaline. It's the alkaline end that has to react with the sugar molecules for browning to occur. In an acidic solution, the alkaline ends are destroyed. In an alkaline environment, the amino ends thrive and they can react with the sugar to create browning.

The biscuit portion of our cobbler recipe contains buttermilk, which is very acidic. Baking soda, being an alkaline itself, reacts with the buttermilk to create a rise in the dough, but it also creates an alkaline environment, thus permitting the amino ends of the amino acid molecules to react with the sugar and produce browning.

A biscuit recipe with buttermilk and just baking powder may or may not rise (depending on how much you use), but it certainly won't brown very well.

Stumblinman
01-14-2013, 04:53 AM
I always liked this one: http://chemistry.about.com/cs/foodchemistry/f/blbaking.htm although with elevation it changes.