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Drumjockey
02-09-2013, 02:43 AM
Anyone know if the western-handled sakai takayuki damascus nakiris are AEB-L like the wa-nakiris? found one at a great price but I want stainless & the ad doesnt say, kinda late to be calling:)

franzb69
02-09-2013, 03:53 AM
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0152/1581/products/IMG_1174_large.jpg?86

you mean these? they're VG10.

makes me wonder if the wa handled damascus ones are actually AEB-L since the damascus looks exactly the same except for the handle.

Timthebeaver
02-09-2013, 03:59 AM
Sakai Takayuki makes quite a few lines. If you are referring to the ubiquitous "hammered damascus", which are offered by numerous makers, the core steel is usually stated to be VG-10 (although some are 19C27, e.g. Kanetsune, JCK Inazuma) - so stainless

zitangy
02-09-2013, 05:05 AM
I dont think they make any knives with AEB-L steel or its equivalent.

Btw, I just received 2 specially ordered knives from Ashi Harmono for teh bigger nakiri, western handle ( 70mm tall and 180mm) and (70mm x 210 mm) which I hope would be ideal for my cut/chop and scoop. The latter as my chinese chef's knives with each weighing 200 adn 240grams respectively adn balance point around the tip of bolster.
Swedish steel.

rgds

d

scotchef38
02-09-2013, 05:34 AM
I have a 210mm Gyuto and it is VG 10 but it takes a great edge and lasts a long time,I probably sharpen this knife the least out of all my knives.It also does not have chipping issues like other vg knives I have.I think they are great value but benefit greatly from rounding the spine.

franzb69
02-09-2013, 06:22 AM
i have the 135mm petty and branded as yoshihiro but it's exactly what everyone else offers as hand hammered damascus clad with vg10 core. takes a great edge but doesn't last as long as i would like it. but gets sharp pretty quick as well so it's not so bad.

Timthebeaver
02-09-2013, 06:39 AM
I dont think they make any knives with AEB-L steel or its equivalent.



iirc the Takayuki Grand Cheff (sic) wa was one of the first knives to be "outed" (i.e. confirmed by Aoki Hamono) as AEB-L way back when.

Dave Martell
02-09-2013, 11:23 AM
They use AEB-L in some of their knives but it's left soft at Rc58.


FYI - If they list Sandvik then the steel is 12C27, if they list Uddeholm then the steel used is AEB-L. Grand Cheff are all AEB-L

franzb69
02-09-2013, 12:12 PM
am pretty curious as to what steel those wa handled hand hammered damascus really are, as well, since they look suspiciously too much like the western handled counterparts that are labelled as vg10 core and on the unmentionable site says it's aeb-l on the wa handled versions.

can anyone clarify this? thanks.

btw
thanks for the info dave

Dave Martell
02-09-2013, 12:28 PM
am pretty curious as to what steel those wa handled hand hammered damascus really are, as well, since they look suspiciously too much like the western handled counterparts that are labelled as vg10 core and on the unmentionable site says it's aeb-l on the wa handled versions.

can anyone clarify this? thanks.

btw
thanks for the info dave


What's the name of the line?

Dave Martell
02-09-2013, 12:33 PM
Grand Cheff SP type 2
スエーデン特殊鋼
Sweden steel
58


Grand Cheff SP type 1
スエーデン特殊鋼
"
58


Grand cheff SP
スエーデン特殊鋼
"
58


Grand Cheff Wa
スエーデン特殊鋼
"
58


Grand Cheff
スエーデン特殊鋼
"
58


Damascus 63 layers
ダマスカス鋼+ステンレス特殊鋼
Damascus & stainless alloy steel
60


Damascus hammered
ダマスカス鋼+V金10号
Damascus & VG10
60


INOX
8A鋼
8A steel
55


INOX color
8A鋼
8A steel
55


CC PC colored handle
ステンレス特殊鋼
stainless alloy steel
53


USS
ステンレス特殊鋼
"
55


TUS
ステンレス特殊鋼
"
53


Aonikou
安来青紙2号
Aokami-2
60


nihonkou
SK鋼
SK steel
55


nihonkou
SK鋼
SK steel
55



ステンレス特殊鋼
stainless alloy steel
55

franzb69
02-09-2013, 01:14 PM
wow

thanks dave


this is the name: Sakai Takayuki Damascus Wa-Gyuto 240mm

it's the hand hammered in wa, doesn't say how many layers it is, they claim it's aeb-l. but it really looks way too much like the vg10 version just with a wa handle.

on your list there, it's probably stainless steel. doesn't say what kind though.

thanks for your help.

NO ChoP!
02-09-2013, 01:54 PM
In my home block, I have a western gyuto- takayuki brand, that was listed as vg10. I also have a wa sujihiki- yoshihiro branded, that's listed as Sandvik....they perform very similarly. The difference is indistinquishable....

augerpro
02-09-2013, 10:14 PM
wow

thanks dave


this is the name: Sakai Takayuki Damascus Wa-Gyuto 240mm

it's the hand hammered in wa, doesn't say how many layers it is, they claim it's aeb-l. but it really looks way too much like the vg10 version just with a wa handle.

on your list there, it's probably stainless steel. doesn't say what kind though.

thanks for your help.

If I'm looking at the same one it is also listed as 60 HRC? I just bought the nakiri, haven't had the chance to use it, but it would be nice to know what I actually bought

RiffRaff
02-09-2013, 10:33 PM
Don't forget the importance of heat treat. It may be AEB-L but the blade (at Rockwell 58 or so) isn't developed in the same way that, say, Devin Thomas's are.

cclin
02-09-2013, 10:53 PM
Don't forget the importance of heat treat. It may be AEB-L but the blade (at Rockwell 58 or so) isn't developed in the same way that, say, Devin Thomas's are.

+1, heat treat is more important than steel type!!

franzb69
02-10-2013, 01:39 AM
58 is too soft for my taste, and yes i know how great DT's heat treat is, and how highly regarded how he does it.

one day i will get a DT.

Drumjockey
02-10-2013, 04:52 AM
Thanks to you all, especially Dave, where did you find that chart?:) I went ahead and bought it too, augerpro I am curious if you got the western or wa? If you got the western, what's the handle made of? I've seen a couple different woods used in different pics, sites selling them new don't list the handle material, and the one I bought only showed the blade in the ad. Hope that's not a bad sign... hmm. It wasn't so cheap that i'm worried but not so expensive i'm not, guess I'll find out in a few days anyway

augerpro
02-10-2013, 06:32 AM
I got the wa handle

Drumjockey
02-10-2013, 03:08 PM
ah. jealous, thats the one I was looking for, but this one WAS a great deal:)