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mainaman
03-01-2013, 04:55 PM
I can't remember fully well who makes the new stones in the Kramer line by Henckels can anyone remind me?
I keep thinking rebranded thinner Choseras, but not 100%?

Thanks

cwrightthruya
03-01-2013, 05:26 PM
It's Chosera...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqqVN3LFFz8

mainaman
03-01-2013, 05:35 PM
It's Chosera...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqqVN3LFFz8
Thanks.
Those Henckels stones are referred to as ceramic, do you know if they are different than the common chosera line?

cwrightthruya
03-01-2013, 07:11 PM
That I am not sure about.... but their grit ranges fall in the normal Chosera line, so I would assume they are no different.

mainaman
03-01-2013, 07:37 PM
That I am not sure about.... but their grit ranges fall in the normal Chosera line, so I would assume they are no different.
Yes and also the name would not be Chosera if they were not the same stone I would think, but not 100% sure.

kartman35
03-02-2013, 12:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFhMGJYhYpU

In this video at right about one minute in he says they're Choseras (Actually says 'choiseras' but whatever...) But they look a heck of a lot more like Shaptons to me...Am I the only one who thinks so??

He continues to describe 'choisera' as the top stone making company in Japan....If they were actually Choceras, you'd think he'd know the company is called Naniwa...

dmccurtis
03-02-2013, 12:21 AM
Zwilling's Miyabi stones are rebranded Choseras, and their Twin combo stones are rebranded Super Stones. The Kramer stones might be made by Naniwa, but I don't think they're Choseras.

kartman35
03-02-2013, 12:29 AM
http://www.cutleryandmore.com/henckels-bob-kramer-carbon-steel/glass-water-stone-set-p124806

Really? Not Shaptons?...they even call them Glass stones...

EdipisReks
03-02-2013, 12:32 AM
the Miyabis are Choseras (i have the 1k, and it's exactly the same as a 1k Chosera), but i think the Henckels Kramers are Shaptons.

franzb69
03-02-2013, 12:55 AM
they've got the glass backing.... like a shapton glass.

Knifefan
03-02-2013, 02:06 AM
If Mr. Kramer himself says they are Choseras, I think he should know. You can't simply claim something like that in a public video if it's not right.

kartman35
03-02-2013, 02:44 AM
If Mr. Kramer himself says they are Choseras, I think he should know. You can't simply claim something like that in a public video if it's not right.

He also says that Chosera is the top Japanese synthetic stone company in Japan...but we all know that Chosera is not a company but rather a product line of Naniwa...

Just look at them....then look at Shapton glass stones...then look at Choseras...

Paradox
03-02-2013, 05:37 AM
Look like Shapton Glass stones to me. But the grits don't match up. Hard to say. Shapton doesn't offer 400 or 5000 in the Glass line. Might be special for this private label run?

franzb69
03-02-2013, 06:14 AM
maybe they're choceras with glass backing?

dmccurtis
03-02-2013, 09:25 AM
My guess is they're a special run for Zwilling by Naniwa, since they've already got the relationship.

cwrightthruya
03-02-2013, 12:11 PM
My guess is they're a special run for Zwilling by Naniwa, since they've already got the relationship.

This is my guess also. I had the opportunity to use one in a SurLaTable, and they feel more similar to the chosera than to the shapton glass stones.

labor of love
03-02-2013, 01:52 PM
why are the kramer stones so expensive? they appear to be pretty small stones too.

Benuser
03-02-2013, 03:39 PM
The nagura cleaning stone they sell with them seems to me identical to the one you get with the Choseras. You may get one separately in Europe for 6, but sold with the Kramer they cost some $25, announced as a great saving...

labor of love
03-02-2013, 03:55 PM
the kramer leather strop looks good. i might get one.

brainsausage
03-02-2013, 10:39 PM
If Mr. Kramer himself says they are Choseras, I think he should know. You can't simply claim something like that in a public video if it's not right.

That's a very naive statement sir...

zitangy
03-02-2013, 11:27 PM
Naniwa does make a "ceramic" range. It is a thin piece, like a plate and mounted on a metal plate of that size.

a) hard like hell adn it cost more

b) i have used the 1000 grit also green color > I tried using it over a period of 10 times No joy for me and didn't develop any feeling for the stone. It is somewhere at the bottom of the stone stack

c)Being me, I still prefer the Super Stones series as being soft, it does give a feedback. Apart from ocasionally cutting into it and it dish faster ( being soft) it is still my main stone.

Have fun.

Stay sharp and hv fun..

d

Knifefan
03-03-2013, 09:29 AM
That's a very naive statement sir...

The video is shown on the SLT website. The Zwilling Kramers were SLT exclusives when they were launched. So you may assume that SLT and Henckels do have some sort of collaboration. Who most likely produced the video? BK? SLT? Or Henckels? I suppose Henckels should know who makes the stones...

Paradox
03-03-2013, 04:16 PM
The video is shown on the SLT website. The Zwilling Kramers were SLT exclusives when they were launched. So you may assume that SLT and Henckels do have some sort of collaboration. Who most likely produced the video? BK? SLT? Or Henckels? I suppose Henckels should know who makes the stones...

You'd think that would in fact be the case? But clearly it is not. There is NO company called Choesera that makes sharpening stones, the video tells us there is though. There is a company called Naniwa that makes several lines of stones, one of them being the Choesera line?

If they can't even get that straight in the video why would you assume they can get anything correct?

jgraeff
03-03-2013, 05:09 PM
Why doesn't someone contact Henkel and ask..?


I'm assuming they would get sued for using chosera name if they didn't have the rights to..

Knifefan
03-03-2013, 07:17 PM
I'm assuming they would get sued for using chosera name if they didn't have the rights to..

Exactly.

kartman35
03-04-2013, 02:07 AM
Well, I would like to hereby officially retract my statement that they appear to be Shaptons as it was pointed out by a member here that they felt like choseras, and another who pointed out that Shapton doesn't make the grits that Henckel sells. It just never occurred to me that Naniwa would make a stone that looked so much like Shaptons (glass backing and all)

HOWEVER

The more interesting question is is who really cares..Since Henckels are selling stones that are only 1/4 the thickness of Naniwa choseras (the henckels are 1/4 inch thick) for almost the same price....Would any of US by these stones for that price???? Unless the Henckels are 400% better than Choseras seems like a pretty bad deal to me....

franzb69
03-04-2013, 02:16 AM
The more interesting question is is who really cares..Since Henckels are selling stones that are only 1/4 the thickness of Naniwa choseras (the henckels are 1/4 inch thick) for almost the same price....Would any of US by these stones for that price???? Unless the Henckels are 400% better than Choseras seems like a pretty bad deal to me....

obviously not. =D

we'd rather get choseras straight from naniwa and not a rebranded one with a lot less product.

labor of love
03-04-2013, 02:18 AM
well, you do get a "professional" discount of some sort at sur la table if you work in the industry. is it 15%? even after that, theyre pricy.

Lemieux
03-04-2013, 09:44 PM
too expensive... you can get the same thing cheeper