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jai
03-22-2013, 12:09 PM
hey guys to all you masamoto ks owner what is the patina usally like visually on this knife is it pretty or more on the dull side and if anyone has pics please feel free to show them im very interested thanks

K-Fed
03-22-2013, 12:13 PM
I don't own a ks but I have had a few white steel knives. The patina really depends on what you are cutting. Blues and purples from proteins and onions, citrus, acidic fruits produce more of a grey patina.

Vladimir
03-22-2013, 03:34 PM
http://i5.pixs.ru/storage/6/9/3/DSC1013JPG_9820024_7212693.jpg
http://i5.pixs.ru/storage/6/6/2/DSC1011JPG_3458140_7212662.jpg

chinacats
03-22-2013, 04:19 PM
That has to be one of the nicest lineups of knives ever!

schanop
03-22-2013, 04:19 PM
This was the last patina before I sold the KS.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/6490/ks2403.jpg

Anpanman
03-23-2013, 06:54 AM
It goes from dull gray to rather radiant colors depending of the light. I have been cutting a little bit of everything with mine and this is what it looks like today. Avatar is KS too.

http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u633/Abe2000/DSC07862_zpsecfa9ba8.jpg
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u633/Abe2000/DSC07858_zps73418c3b.jpg
http://i1325.photobucket.com/albums/u633/Abe2000/DSC07857_zps4b50322e.jpg

jayhay
03-23-2013, 07:57 PM
Here's mine. Takes a nice blue patina.

14109

NO ChoP!
03-24-2013, 04:45 PM
A little faux honyaki patina; pre Henry handle....14125

schanop
03-24-2013, 04:54 PM
That's one of a hell creativity!

marc4pt0
03-24-2013, 07:13 PM
:notworthy:

A little faux honyaki patina; pre Henry handle....14125

I'm always playing with patina on my carbons, but I have to say this is rich! Would you mind sharing your secret? :begging:

Dave Martell
03-24-2013, 08:03 PM
A little faux honyaki patina; pre Henry handle....14125


:ggodjob:

NO ChoP!
03-24-2013, 10:41 PM
Thanks guys! A little silly, but fun.

It's just the standard mustard thinned with a touch of vinegar and painted on with one of my kids cheap watercolor brushes. I also wipe the face with some cows blood to emulate the honyaki rainbow laquer.

Mike9
03-24-2013, 11:01 PM
Ha Ha - sweet!! Hey Chris - getting a patina on that Ontario yet? My Goodell is coloring up fast. Damn - this is a great knife!!!

NO ChoP!
03-25-2013, 12:03 AM
Oh Yah, its taking a nice brilliant blue. I still can't get over how light and nimble it is, especially being so old.

vai777
03-27-2013, 03:55 PM
A little faux honyaki patina; pre Henry handle....14125

awesome

NO ChoP!
03-29-2013, 12:12 PM
14219

Here it is with Mikes Russian Bog oak, Russian birch burl handle...

gentlecook
03-29-2013, 01:47 PM
wOw , its so exotic =)

daddy yo yo
05-02-2013, 08:44 AM
i am trying, desperately, not to pull the trigger... but then again, i want to shorten my waiting time for my marko custom gyuto a little...

how do you guys describe the profile of the KS? it seems to be quite flat, no?

rdpx
05-02-2013, 10:08 AM
i am trying, desperately, not to pull the trigger... but then again, i want to shorten my waiting time for my marko custom gyuto a little...

how do you guys describe the profile of the KS? it seems to be quite flat, no?


Are you thinking about getting the 252mm KS suji over in the FOR SALE thread?

It is a great price - I wouldn't hesitate were it not for fact I had just ordered a Misono that is on a plane as I type...

[EDIT - ooops sorry if I got hopes up I see it just sold. Someone got a good deal]

stevenStefano
05-02-2013, 10:11 AM
Yeah the profile is super flat, that's one of the reasons why I got rid of mine

daddy yo yo
05-02-2013, 10:42 AM
Are you thinking about getting the 252mm KS suji over in the FOR SALE thread?no, i am actually interested in the 240mm gyuto...


Yeah the profile is super flat, that's one of the reasons why I got rid of minethat's what i expected... i am not into superflat... but hey, then i don't have to buy that one. you helped me save money, thanks a lot!!!

NO ChoP!
05-02-2013, 11:00 AM
I would actually say the spine has less curvature than normal, making the tip very lean and pointy. The edge does have some belly, just not a ton. If you do a lot of tip work, the KS is hands down a great knife.

jgraeff
05-02-2013, 11:31 AM
I didn't find it too flat at all great profile overall IMO

stevenStefano
05-02-2013, 12:58 PM
I know everyone says the profile is great and all, but I really did not like it. Too flat and not tall enough though I am aware that there is some variation from one to another

labor of love
05-02-2013, 04:27 PM
I like the profile, my problem was the blade height. Mine was very used when I purchased it,it almost felt like a suji.

cclin
05-02-2013, 04:51 PM
I like the profile, my problem was the blade height. Mine was very used when I purchased it,it almost felt like a suji.

labor, what is your ks' heel height?? mine ks never sharping is about 49mm....

mpukas
05-02-2013, 05:50 PM
The height of Don's pass-around 270 KS is about 52mm at the heel.

labor of love
05-02-2013, 05:56 PM
I dunno. I sold it. It was probably 45mm or so. I prefer tall gyutos anyway.

jgraeff
05-02-2013, 11:35 PM
Ya the one I used was plenty like 50mm

Mario hybrid is barley 45mm and I find that plenty as well... If you get smaller handle which I actually like after getting used to it height isn't as import

Johnny.B.Good
05-03-2013, 12:45 AM
My 240mm (actually, 250mm) KS gyuto is 48mm at the heel.

daddy yo yo
05-03-2013, 12:12 PM
well, i have been looking at pics of KS gyutos for a while and i had always asked me if it just looked rather flat or if it really was rather flat. it's enough that some people find it rather flat... i am sure i wouldn't like the profile then...

mpukas
05-03-2013, 02:45 PM
The KS is definitely flatter than most "standard" gyuto's, but it's not so flat that you can't rock it, if you want to use it that way. It's not dead flat from the heel forward, and has an ever so slight curve, which is it saving grace. Being that it is so flat, the tip is lower to the board, and having such a pointy tip, makes it very easy to use. It's actually no where near as flat as the Moritaka kiri-gyuto - I find it too flat and almost unusable. No fun to use for me.

dannynyc
05-08-2013, 02:45 PM
Can anyone compare the ks profile to the Richmond ultimatum and/or the Konosuked funayuki shape (in terms of flatness)?

Pensacola Tiger
05-08-2013, 03:21 PM
Can anyone compare the ks profile to the Richmond ultimatum and/or the Konosuked funayuki shape (in terms of flatness)?

The Ultimatum profile is a direct copy of the Masamoto KS. The geometry, though, is completely different.

labor of love
05-08-2013, 04:29 PM
DannyNYC, check out the grind shot comparison photos mpukas took in the masamoto pass around. He compares a 270mm masamoto to a 240 Sakai Yusuke ks clone. Pretty sure the ultimatum grind is much thicker overall.

Pensacola Tiger
05-08-2013, 04:55 PM
Here are choil shots of the Masamoto KS and the Ultimatum. Guess which is which.

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Masamoto%20KS%20vs%20Richmond%20Ultimatum/file_zpsb0987188.jpg

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Masamoto%20KS%20vs%20Richmond%20Ultimatum/file_zps977f28f1.jpg

Marko Tsourkan
05-08-2013, 05:09 PM
It goes without saying, Rick - LOL.

To get best of your Masamato KS, one needs to thin 10mm or so above the edge. Lay the blade flat on a Bester 500 or equivalent, press with your finger above the edge, and thin both sides until factory bevel is gone. Tip on KS very much of need of thinning. You will need to refinish the blade afterwards. A bit of work, I know but you will be getting a good improvement in performance.

M

mpukas
05-08-2013, 05:16 PM
The Ultimatum profile is a direct copy of the Masamoto KS. The geometry, though, is completely different.

I had purchased - and returned immediately - a 52100 Ultimatum from the first batch. One of the things I didn't like about it was that it really wasn't a very good copy of the KS. Sure it was flat from the heel forward to about the 1/2 point - DEAD flat, which too me is too flat, and the KS and Yusuke KS-clone are not - but at the last bit towards the tip I thought that it turned upwards too much. Maybe I'm remembering it wrongly. PT - can you post a comparison shot of the tip profiles?

dannynyc
05-08-2013, 05:30 PM
That's a dramatic difference!

Marko Tsourkan
05-08-2013, 05:57 PM
I had purchased - and returned immediately - a 52100 Ultimatum from the first batch. One of the things I didn't like about it was that it really wasn't a very good copy of the KS. Sure it was flat from the heel forward to about the 1/2 point - DEAD flat, which too me is too flat, and the KS and Yusuke KS-clone are not - but at the last bit towards the tip I thought that it turned upwards too much. Maybe I'm remembering it wrongly. PT - can you post a comparison shot of the tip profiles?

The flat spot on KS is not 1/2, it's shorter.

cclin
05-08-2013, 06:56 PM
The flat spot on KS is not 1/2, it's shorter.

The flat spot on brand new, never sharping 240mm KS...
http://i1054.photobucket.com/albums/s482/54cclin/20130508_143818_zps5eaf085b.jpg (http://s1054.photobucket.com/user/54cclin/media/20130508_143818_zps5eaf085b.jpg.html)

Pensacola Tiger
05-08-2013, 07:33 PM
I had purchased - and returned immediately - a 52100 Ultimatum from the first batch. One of the things I didn't like about it was that it really wasn't a very good copy of the KS. Sure it was flat from the heel forward to about the 1/2 point - DEAD flat, which too me is too flat, and the KS and Yusuke KS-clone are not - but at the last bit towards the tip I thought that it turned upwards too much. Maybe I'm remembering it wrongly. PT - can you post a comparison shot of the tip profiles?

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Masamoto%20KS%20vs%20Richmond%20Ultimatum/file_zpsb245b75d.jpg

Masamoto on bottom.

mpukas
05-08-2013, 10:33 PM
Thanks for the pic, PT. That's a much better looking tip on the Ultimatum than the one I had.

mpukas
05-08-2013, 10:35 PM
The flat spot on KS is not 1/2, it's shorter.

Yes, I know - I'm referring to the flat spot on the Ultimatum and how was different than the KS.