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Mitbud
04-15-2013, 12:58 PM
I know SS but 11 dollars! for a K Sab 8" chef's knife on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007NZM4P4/ref=pe_309540_26725410_item . I have friends and family who won't even look at a carbon. Got my gift closet restocked.

wsfarrell
04-15-2013, 02:41 PM
Good tip, thanks!

jayhay
04-15-2013, 03:34 PM
Thanks for the heads up!

K-Fed
04-15-2013, 03:39 PM
I know SS but 11 dollars! for a K Sab 8" chef's knife on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007NZM4P4/ref=pe_309540_26725410_item . I have friends and family who won't even look at a carbon. Got my gift closet restocked.

Ditto. Thanks for the heads up.

wenus2
04-15-2013, 03:44 PM
Gonna try it out.
Again, Thanks for the heads up!

heirkb
04-15-2013, 03:45 PM
Picked one up for the hell of it. Thank you.

clayton
04-15-2013, 05:06 PM
Thanks!

Lefty
04-15-2013, 05:07 PM
I might too...just cuz. Thanks!

don
04-15-2013, 05:14 PM
wow... we need more deals like this.

rahimlee54
04-15-2013, 05:17 PM
I grabbed one too, thanks.

Lefty
04-15-2013, 05:18 PM
I don't think it let me get it. Damn shipping crap!

Igasho
04-15-2013, 05:26 PM
I don't think it let me get it. Damn shipping crap!

lefty, im grabbin one cause i have a US address to use, i will ship it to ya so you can play with it a bit once i get it!

Lefty
04-15-2013, 05:30 PM
Got one coming from a friend. :D

I still need to send you that Harner to play with. PM me your addy again.

Thanks to everyone!

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 06:04 PM
Just when I was thinking Amazon didn't have any deals.

But I think they priced it wrong.

Jmadams13
04-15-2013, 06:04 PM
Well Tom if your handing out Harners...

Jmadams13
04-15-2013, 06:05 PM
Also Tom, I think Butch was in the bistro last weekend, but it was too busy for me to say hi. Next time you talk to him tell his server he's there, and I'll buy him one of my beers. I k ow you talk to him from time to time

ajhuff
04-15-2013, 06:11 PM
Thanks!

-AJ

Lefty
04-15-2013, 06:16 PM
Will do. Yeah, we talk once in a while. Haha

bikehunter
04-15-2013, 07:24 PM
Picked one up for the hell of it. Thank you.

Me too. For 11 bucks I can used it for gardening. ;-)

Justin0505
04-15-2013, 07:36 PM
I grabbed a couple too. Figured one for a gift, and another one to mess around with, use as a "beater" for no-knife-friendly guests, and to teach sharpening.

GlassEye
04-15-2013, 07:59 PM
Thanks for the heads up, just bought one to gift.

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 08:03 PM
Wonder what the vendor is thinking.

Igasho
04-15-2013, 08:12 PM
Wonder what the vendor is thinking.

They were thinking?

K-Fed
04-15-2013, 08:21 PM
I bought ...cough... Five of em' one for me as a line knife one for the girl and the other three I'm giving to our f&b director who is leaving us next month and moving/ opening his own restaurant. Gotta have a few house knives right?

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 08:44 PM
Now I don't feel so bad. 5 for me too. Son, Sisters, and a good friend and one I can get all S&M on with my stones.



I bought ...cough... Five of em' one for me as a line knife one for the girl and the other three I'm giving to our f&b director who is leaving us next month and moving/ opening his own restaurant. Gotta have a few house knives right?

tkern
04-15-2013, 08:47 PM
I picked one up along with a copy of Bill Buford's "Among the Thugs"

don
04-15-2013, 08:53 PM
Now I don't feel so bad. 5 for me too. Son, Sisters, and a good friend and one I can get all S&M on with my stones.

Rehandles too? If so, please share your work.

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 08:57 PM
Will do!

EdipisReks
04-15-2013, 09:04 PM
i bought one for my brother in law.

Lefty
04-15-2013, 09:19 PM
I bought one cuz I'm a goddamn fiend. I was going to get more than one, but I do have some restraint. I might rehandle it in cocobolo. :D

Lefty
04-15-2013, 09:20 PM
Funny, we're acting like they're crap knives, when in fact they're damn good! Soft, yes. Good cutters? Oh hell yeah!

EchoRomeoCharlie
04-15-2013, 09:23 PM
Got a couple to practice sharpening on...might as hone my skills on a cheap knife.

Thanks for the heads up on this deal!

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 09:25 PM
OK, no restraint thats me!

Last time I sharpened an $11 knife it just crumbled.

don
04-15-2013, 09:38 PM
The seller now only needs to off load those carbon ones... I wonder how many they've sold today to KKF members.

Lefty
04-15-2013, 09:40 PM
Upwards of a thousand?

I want a carbon one too....

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 09:42 PM
+1


Upwards of a thousand?

I want a carbon one too....

Don Nguyen
04-15-2013, 10:56 PM
Haha you guys suck. I just went and bought one.

But really, you guys are awesome.

Lefty
04-15-2013, 10:58 PM
I'm somewhat afraid this is too good to be true....

K-Fed
04-15-2013, 11:00 PM
I'm somewhat afraid this is too good to be true....

Lets hope not. Only 10 left in stock.... We've been busy lol.

EdipisReks
04-15-2013, 11:10 PM
Funny, we're acting like they're crap knives, when in fact they're damn good! Soft, yes. Good cutters? Oh hell yeah!

These are not crap knives at all. I posted this deal on my audiophile forum, and 7 people have ordered. :)

Mitbud
04-15-2013, 11:21 PM
The one time I got my hands on some was at a Le Creuset outlet store and someone had beaten all the edges on the cast iron pots. Cringed and moved on.

420layersofdank
04-15-2013, 11:22 PM
nice!!! just got one too!!! thanks KFF! yall are boss!:lol2:

azchef
04-15-2013, 11:47 PM
For 11 bucks how could you go wrong thanks for the tip

Jmadams13
04-15-2013, 11:50 PM
Damn, only one left and I was going to have to wait until Thursday (broke as baker, lol). Oh well. Snooze ya loose

Andrew H
04-16-2013, 12:43 AM
The price is now corrected to $60.

Stumblinman
04-16-2013, 12:44 AM
back up to $60 :)

Pensacola Tiger
04-16-2013, 12:45 AM
The price is now corrected to $60.

From a different vendor, after the first one sold out. I hope they had enough stock to fill all the orders.

Andrew H
04-16-2013, 12:46 AM
From a different vendor, after the first one sold out. I hope they had enough stock to fill all the orders.

Good point. Price is just $60 then.

Mitbud
04-16-2013, 05:11 AM
Just notified my order was shipped. Expected delivery thursday.

Notaskinnychef
04-16-2013, 09:16 AM
damn, two days i get my ass kicked at work and don't log on here, I miss out on the deal, boo

franzb69
04-16-2013, 12:47 PM
too bad i didn't catch that sweet deal.

wenus2
04-16-2013, 02:28 PM
Yeah, I was half expecting this to get cancelled.
Got my ship notice last night, should be here tomorrow thanks to Prime.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 02:54 PM
Yeah, I was half expecting this to get cancelled.
Got my ship notice last night, should be here tomorrow thanks to Prime.

Just this minute received shipping notice as well. Thanks for the heads up Mitbud. As has been mentioned, the price has indeed been adjusted to 60 bucks.

Lefty
04-16-2013, 03:01 PM
I thought it was a typo, for sure. Even at $60, you're doing alright.

$11..........

Wow

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 03:16 PM
I thought it was a typo, for sure. Even at $60, you're doing alright.

$11..........

Wow

I wonder if the occasional, outlandishly low price at Amazon is due to actual overstocking, or if Amazon just screws up. Friend of mine recently got a $120 pan for....4.95. <g> I was never much of an Amazon fan, but having ordered several items recently, at great prices and having them shipped in two days, I must grudgingly admit that Amazon provides pretty damn good service. I have basically given up on finding any super deals on fleabay.

toddnmd
04-16-2013, 04:33 PM
Wow, that was a screaming good deal. It was gone by the time I saw it this morning. Hope all who got in enjoy those knives!

Andrew H
04-16-2013, 05:25 PM
I got one delivered today and one will be delivered tomorrow. I love prime.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 05:43 PM
I got one delivered today and one will be delivered tomorrow. I love prime.

Well, it's nice to be sure, but I only went with the free trial cause it was there. I'll likely cancel before the 30 day trial expires because I just don't buy enough stuff from Amazon to make it worth 79 bucks. YMMV

Basecadet
04-16-2013, 06:35 PM
Got mine today, not as pictured but can't complain for the price I guess.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8114/8655444591_884c37f5f4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/basecadet/8655444591/)

GlassEye
04-16-2013, 06:43 PM
I ordered because it was the French profile version, did anyone else get the correct one?

Lefty
04-16-2013, 06:49 PM
That's not right. That's not even a K Sab! It looks like o e f the Chinese "Sabatier" knives you find at Winners and TJ Maxx.

Benuser
04-16-2013, 06:51 PM
Got mine today, not as pictured but can't complain for the price I guess.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8114/8655444591_884c37f5f4_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/basecadet/8655444591/)

Is that supposed to be a K-Sabatier??

bkultra
04-16-2013, 06:57 PM
I received the same knife and it is in fact a cheap "Made in China" Sabatier. I have contacted the seller asking them to replace this with the item I ordered.

MowgFace
04-16-2013, 06:59 PM
Looks like a lot of us are going to be dealing with amazon refunds....

bkultra
04-16-2013, 07:01 PM
Looks like a lot of us are going to be dealing with amazon refunds....

I dont want a refund myself, I want the item I ordered. In all fairness Amazon did give me a $15 credit for the problem. The seller emailed me back asking me to contact Amazon since they shipped the order. Amazon asked that I contact the seller....

Basecadet
04-16-2013, 07:05 PM
I was hoping for the Ksab to try out the French profile. I'll just end up giving these away.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 07:19 PM
No, I'm with bkultra. I want the knife I ordered. Which are obviously still available as they have them now listed at 60 bucks. I'd settle for a 60 dollar refund. ;-)

Lefty
04-16-2013, 07:27 PM
This is blatant misleading of a customer, but $11 is all we'll get.

Pensacola Tiger
04-16-2013, 07:30 PM
Caveat emptor.

Basecadet
04-16-2013, 07:30 PM
I totally agree, for me it's too much of a pain to return as I had them shipped to my hotel while I'm in Chicago. No way for me to easily return them. If anyone works out a way to get these swapped out I'd love to know.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 07:32 PM
This is blatant misleading of a customer, but $11 is all we'll get.

Of course you're right, but it had to be said. It actually borders on fraudulent advertising. Anyone up for a class action suit? <G>

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 07:33 PM
Caveat emptor.

Well, of course, but a little unpalatable from a huge vendor like Amazon. One would expect better.

bkultra
04-16-2013, 07:38 PM
I spoke wit Amazon again... I informed them of the amount of knives sold yesterday and that many would be looking to get the item they order and were promised. I refused the refund and they asked I send the knife in for review. They stated that if it in anyway differs from the described item (by appearance or otherwise) the seller would be held accountable. I would in courage everyone to contact Amazon, they are there to help with matter like this

PS I came out of lurking for this and no one noticed :D

Igasho
04-16-2013, 07:41 PM
I am on live chat right as we speak, chewing some ass

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 07:42 PM
I spoke wit Amazon again... I informed them of the amount of knives sold yesterday and that many would be looking to get the item they order and were promised. I refused the refund and they asked I send the knife in for review. They stated that if it in anyway differs from the described item (by appearance or otherwise) the seller would be held accountable. I would in courage everyone to contact Amazon, they are there to help with matter like this

PS I came out of lurking for this and no one noticed :D
Well............WELCOME for crissakes. LOL Where did you find a number to actually talk to someone. Or was that just a figure of speech? Not that I think there is even a vague possibility that the seller will make this right.

MowgFace
04-16-2013, 07:44 PM
If you looK at River Road store front, the seller for the $11 one. this is the Sab getting sent out

http://www.amazon.com/Sabatier-Classic-Forged-Triple-Riveted/dp/B004TSB0TE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_4

Igasho
04-16-2013, 07:47 PM
Luckily, in the state of Nevada, which amazon has a depot located in. You can be held liable as a website for fraudulent postings such as this and I am leaning on them a bit on live chat.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 07:48 PM
If you looK at River Road store front, the seller for the $11 one. this is the Sab getting sent out

http://www.amazon.com/Sabatier-Classic-Forged-Triple-Riveted/dp/B004TSB0TE/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_4



So, it appears that they were doing the same bloody thing this time last year!!

Igasho
04-16-2013, 07:56 PM
still trying

Igasho
04-16-2013, 08:08 PM
no joy, I will call them tomorrow and see

GlassEye
04-16-2013, 08:09 PM
Got shipping confirmation, not looking forward to the hassle if this is the incorrect item.

Lefty
04-16-2013, 08:30 PM
I knew it was too good to be true.

rahimlee54
04-16-2013, 08:31 PM
Yep I just got mine and sure enough it is the knockoff, I guess I'll be chatting with someone later tonight since I bought 2. I guess I'll be getting credit.

bkultra
04-16-2013, 08:33 PM
Well............WELCOME for crissakes. LOL Where did you find a number to actually talk to someone. Or was that just a figure of speech? Not that I think there is even a vague possibility that the seller will make this right.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=518316

Click contact us, it will ask how you want to be contacted (email, call us,live chat) if you hit call us you will have to enter your phone number and they will call you

Mitbud
04-16-2013, 08:36 PM
Boy this sucks. My package is due Thursday.

Mitbud
04-16-2013, 08:37 PM
Sorry guy's.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 08:37 PM
I knew it was too good to be true.

I just wrote the same words to my buddy who also bought one on my heads up. LOL

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 08:38 PM
Sorry guy's.

Somebody get a rope. ;-)

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 08:38 PM
Thx bkultra.

clayton
04-16-2013, 08:40 PM
I am just glad my co-workers did not get any and that I had enough restraint to only buy 2.

Lefty
04-16-2013, 08:45 PM
Not your fault, Mitbud. It was a great heads up. Too bad the guy's a crook.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 08:53 PM
Not your fault, Mitbud. It was a great heads up. Too bad the guy's a crook.

Totally agree. And, if I wasn't so pissed, I'd realize that this cheap copy is still good for gardening at 11 bucks. ;-)

don
04-16-2013, 08:55 PM
Not your fault, Mitbud. It was a great heads up. Too bad the guy's a crook.

+2

K-Fed
04-16-2013, 09:18 PM
Well. Guess well be returning a lot of garbage knives. At least the postal service is getting a little extra work thrown there way.

Dave Martell
04-16-2013, 09:23 PM
Bait 'n Switch?

SameGuy
04-16-2013, 09:28 PM
damn, two days i get my ass kicked at work and don't log on here, I miss out on the deal, boo

Me too. Ass-kicking at work combined with jet lag, I'm a zombie. Dagnabbit. Oh well, I don't need sod-cutters.

bikehunter
04-16-2013, 09:33 PM
Bait 'n Switch?

Naw...some 7.00 an hour kid at Amazon screwed up.

Mitbud
04-16-2013, 09:39 PM
Just printed out my return slips.

Mitbud
04-16-2013, 09:42 PM
And I was so looking forward to them. The bait and switch is in high gear they are trying to get $60 for the knockoff. Check the vendor different name but China Fair Inc?

don
04-16-2013, 09:49 PM
The vendor for the $11 Sabatier was River Road (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/main?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=1&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=103-2385121-3256250&seller=A2NVEKMQTGKOW8). On your Order Details, can [Leave Feedback] for the vendor. Looks like a lot of 1 stars heading their way.

bkultra
04-16-2013, 09:49 PM
Bait 'n Switch?

Looks like it, as I have posted I will be all over them and Amazon over this (I have a lot of free time). I plan to hold the seller responsible on fulfilling the order I placed and not just a simple refund.

heirkb
04-16-2013, 11:16 PM
How did you get them to give you credit for this? I got two of these. Returned one shipment already. Returning another tomorrow when it arrives, but it would be nice to get a store credit for having to go through the hassle twice. They won't let you do an online return for these, you have to sit and wait for customer service.

Mitbud
04-16-2013, 11:23 PM
I used the online chat.

marc4pt0
04-17-2013, 09:23 AM
great story with a total crap ending thus far.

EchoRomeoCharlie
04-17-2013, 02:15 PM
Anyone had any luck getting the item replaced with the correct item listed?

Can't decide how much pain I want to endure over $11 x a couple...

Might just give them to friends...

mkmk
04-17-2013, 02:23 PM
That seller's probably having himself a seriously crappy day. I'd initially thought it was due just to a listing error, but it sounds increasingly like it was more intentional than that. Seems like he earned all the misery he's getting.

bikehunter
04-17-2013, 02:25 PM
Anyone had any luck getting the item replaced with the correct item listed?


Bwahahaha...fat chance. Since Amazon blames the entire thing on the seller, this will be my last purchase at Amazon. Should have used the 11 bucks to light my pilot light or something useful. ;-)

Mitbud
04-17-2013, 02:25 PM
+1 Amazon is resisting me giving the vendor a bad review.


That seller's probably having himself a seriously crappy day. I'd initially thought it was due just to a listing error, but it sounds increasingly like it was more intentional than that. Seems like he earned all the misery he's getting.

EdipisReks
04-17-2013, 03:16 PM
I sent Amazon an email, that has always been the easiest way for me to contact them. i'm hoping for a credit, or at least being given the money before sending it back.

K-Fed
04-17-2013, 07:35 PM
Got my box o' junk today. Scheduled a ups pickup. Anyone return any of these yet at get a refund? Amazon is paying for the return shipping.

FryBoy
04-17-2013, 07:51 PM
I left a one-star review for the seller, River Road, with a detailed explanation as to why.

I'm especially pissed off that there's a stick-on label on the outside of the clear plastic clamshell package that says "Chef Knife made in France," which was apparently intended to cover the words on the label inside the clamshell that says, "Manufactured under license by Lifetime Brands, Inc., Garden City, NY 11530, Made in China."

It's packed up and ready to go. At least returns are free.

p.s. -- don't blame Amazon, but do be cautious about buying anything from third-party sellers who advertise on Amazon.

FryBoy
04-17-2013, 07:53 PM
I sent Amazon an email, that has always been the easiest way for me to contact them. i'm hoping for a credit, or at least being given the money before sending it back.In my experience, Amazon doesn't process refunds until it has the item in hand.

bikehunter
04-17-2013, 07:56 PM
I was told I should get a CC refund within about three days. Nothing was said about waiting to receive the knife back first. Mine is supposed to be picked up tomorrow. Mine clearly said made in China on the package.

FryBoy
04-17-2013, 08:02 PM
There are already 5 to 6 one-star reviews posted for River Road today, all citing the fake Chinese Sabatier.

ajhuff
04-17-2013, 09:15 PM
3 pieces of junk here too. If I can't return em I'll dump them on a thrift shop.

-AJ

bikehunter
04-17-2013, 09:22 PM
Even I figured out how to have mine picked up by UPS and get a CC refund. If a world class technoklutz can do it...anyone can. I found it simplest with live chat, as someone suggested.

sharkbite111
04-17-2013, 09:40 PM
So does this mean that amazon is now 'not allowed' to be spoken here? It seems there are a lot of people that are having an unpleasant experience...

:lol2:

Chris

ajhuff
04-17-2013, 09:55 PM
I took a partial refund. Too much effort to ship where I live (I can't schedule pick ups here). I'll lick my wounds and drop them off at a thrift store. Somebody in this town will actually be happy with them.

Contacted Amazon Customer Service and items were refunded in 10 minutes. First time EVER I have had a problem with an order. A+++ for Amazon. Fail for River Road.

-AJ

bikehunter
04-17-2013, 10:04 PM
I heard that a couple guys received knives which has a sticker that said made in France, over the Made in China in the package. Guy ought to be kicked off Amazon.

mhlee
04-17-2013, 10:11 PM
So does this mean that amazon is now 'not allowed' to be spoken here? It seems there are a lot of people that are having an unpleasant experience...

:lol2:

Chris

:lame:

gic
04-17-2013, 10:19 PM
Am returning mine as well but I did the entire return online with no need to call customer service. I clicked on the Your Account link and then Your Orders and then selected the order which then gave me the option to return it via UPS which is trivial to do at a local staples or UPS store.

Oh well, unlike the Tramontina buy that I posted about which was pretty good but not too good to be true, things that seem to good to be true, usually are :-).

sharkbite111
04-17-2013, 10:24 PM
:lame:

Did amazon send you here to post this?

Chris

bikehunter
04-17-2013, 10:32 PM
Trying to start a fight Chris?

Dave Martell
04-17-2013, 10:40 PM
So does this mean that amazon is now 'not allowed' to be spoken here? It seems there are a lot of people that are having an unpleasant experience.

Chris

Probably not since they only hosed us over once, you've really got to be a seriously habitual community hoser to get "not allowed" here status.





Trying to start a fight Chris?


I was wondering the same thing.

heirkb
04-17-2013, 10:43 PM
On the topic of the knives, I was allowed to keep one and still got a refund. Any idea what to do with these things? It's twice as thick as some knives I've had and yet flexes more than they do. I'm thinking of keeping it as a general purpose hacking tool, but I'm open to suggestions.

ajhuff
04-17-2013, 10:48 PM
On the topic of the knives, I was allowed to keep one and still got a refund. Any idea what to do with these things? It's twice as thick as some knives I've had and yet flexes more than they do. I'm thinking of keeping it as a general purpose hacking tool, but I'm open to suggestions.


I might keep one in the garage. :)

-AJ

Dave Martell
04-17-2013, 10:51 PM
These would make for good practice knives for fixing the typical German full bolster reverse bow problem...the knife in the picture has it real good. :D

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8114/8655444591_884c37f5f4_z.jpg

sharkbite111
04-17-2013, 11:27 PM
Absolutely not trying to start a fight!! Just pointing out a little hypocrisy. I think it sucks that so many people were duped by this. If I had been any earlier, I'd be submitting my return request too.

Chris

SpikeC
04-17-2013, 11:31 PM
Best thing to do with these is use it to cut spaghetti squash with a hammer on the spine.

ajhuff
04-17-2013, 11:34 PM
These would make for good practice knives for fixing the typical German full bolster reverse bow problem...the knife in the picture has it real good. :D

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8114/8655444591_884c37f5f4_z.jpg

Hey! That's the one! I got 3 of those now!

-AJ

ajhuff
04-17-2013, 11:37 PM
Absolutely not trying to start a fight!! Just pointing out a little hypocrisy. I think it sucks that so many people were duped by this. If I had been any earlier, I'd be submitting my return request too.

Chris

I'm up for tar and feathering Mitbud for introducing us all to this scam. Just kidding. Boy talk about no good deed goes unpunished!

-AJ

Mitbud
04-17-2013, 11:50 PM
:spankarse:

mhlee
04-18-2013, 01:51 AM
Absolutely not trying to start a fight!! Just pointing out a little hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy. The situations are completely different.

jazzybadger
04-18-2013, 02:26 AM
Like others have said you can skip the online chat, calling, or e-mailing all together with Amazon. They have a thirty day money back guarantee on anything you buy from them. It can be exactly what you're looking for, but you just decided you didn't want it, and they'll cover the shipping costs, and refund your money.
I do agree that the vendor is a pretty crappy fella in the end for pulling this sort of thing, and it would seem that it's not the first time he's done it either.

For the record I don't work for Amazon whatsoever, but I am a huge fan of their site. I've been a Prime member for some years now, since the creation of the Prime feature really. I order a LOT from them though, and I also watch Amazon Prime videos on my Roku, so it works out well for me in the end.

bkultra
04-18-2013, 12:21 PM
They changed the item description based on our reviews, thought you guys might enjoy it.

"BEWARE BEFORE YOU BUY !! Only China Fair sells true Authentic Sabatier forged knives made in France. $59.99. Other sellers are selling knives made in China (River Road is misrepresenting a licensed product made in China). Check your receipt"

Kyle
04-18-2013, 01:06 PM
Unfortunately it looks like the reviews are negatively affecting the seller of the proper knife because the order is now being taken by him. If there any way to give the negative reviews to the specific seller (River Road)?

Mitbud
04-18-2013, 01:16 PM
How do we know China Fair is not doing the same thing?

Mitbud
04-18-2013, 01:26 PM
Look at what China Fair is selling. WMF that they sell as french made. I did buy a WMF utility knife in the past that had such bad heat treatment that the knife just crumbled when I sharpened it and it was made China.

bikehunter
04-18-2013, 01:40 PM
In my experience, Amazon doesn't process refunds until it has the item in hand.

Informational: I have a credit on my card this morning, so it took one day for Amazon to credit me for the crap knife, after talking to the rep on live chat just yesterday. And UPS just a few moments ago picked up the knife for return. So, it's nice to know that Amazon DOESN'T require that they have the returned item in hand before refund. At least in my case.

FryBoy
04-18-2013, 01:44 PM
A friend of mine mistakenly complained to China Fair and got the following two responses:

We apologize for your confusion and your situation.

The Product you purchased was from Amazon vendor RIVER ROAD. NOT CHINA FAIR.

RIVER ROAD misrepresented a licensed product manufactured by Lifetime Brands made in China as an Authentic Sabatier made in France. AND WE ARE DEALING WITH THE FALL OUT.

China Fair Inc, the creator of the listing and seller of Authentic Sabatier knives made in France has no affiliation with River Road.

China Fair only sells AUTHENTIC SABATIER KNIVES MADE IN FRANCE.

Please...REPORT THIS TO AMAZON and return your knife, but note you bought the knife from RIVER ROAD, not China Fair. PLEASE check your receipt .

Please let us know if you have any further questions.

Regards,
Will Beck
China Fair Inc.



After thanking him for the above, my friend received this further response from Mr. Beck:

Nightmare doesn't begin to describe the situation. River Road reposted again last night and sold another 100 knives, Close to 300 in 5 days. They appear, sell the knives, and their posting goes down for lack of their inventory. Ours remains to take the negative reviews. As you know, reviews on the internet tend to go viral and remain for ever. Not good for business.

We are asking people who have contacted us directly, as you did, in confusion to please complain to Amazon your situation about River Road. And if possible write a review to explain what happened. The product is being fulfilled by Amazon, so they are libel as well.

Thank you for your consideration and again we are very sorry this misrepresentation happened.

Regards,
Will Beck
China Fair Inc.
_________________________________
China Fair Inc.
70 Needham St.
Newton, MA. 02461 USA
617.332.1250 (tel:617.332.1250)
Mon-Sat 9-5 EST
www.chinafairinc.com (http://www.chinafairinc.com)

FryBoy
04-18-2013, 01:44 PM
Informational: I have a credit on my card this morning, so it took one day for Amazon to credit me for the crap knife, after talking to the rep on live chat just yesterday. And UPS just a few moments ago picked up the knife for return. So, it's nice to know that Amazon DOESN'T require that they have the returned item in hand before refund. At least in my case.

Glad to hear I was wrong! Good for Amazon.

FryBoy
04-18-2013, 01:47 PM
Unfortunately it looks like the reviews are negatively affecting the seller of the proper knife because the order is now being taken by him. If there any way to give the negative reviews to the specific seller (River Road)?

Yes. Use this link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/main?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=1&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&orderID=104-2590178-4685843&seller=A2NVEKMQTGKOW8

bikehunter
04-18-2013, 01:49 PM
Glad to hear I was wrong! Good for Amazon.

Yeah. I was frankly quite surprised.

joetbn
04-18-2013, 02:52 PM
Amazon should ban River Road, seems like they're not only intentionally ripping off customers but popping in and out so quick they're leaving another vendor to deal with the fallout and ruining their reputation.

As far as China Fair goes, they have two brick and mortar stores near Boston, one in Newton and one in Cambridge near where I work. I bought a carbon steel K Sab 8" chefs knife for my roommate recently for $60.00. They had 4 to choose from and I was able to pick one with reasonably ok fit and finish. The guy at the counter didn't mind showing me all 4 and even said if came back in a few weeks and they would have more. There's a small gap between one of the scales and bolster I didn't notice until later, but overall not too bad. The blade is nice. After some grinding away at the bolster and time on the stones it cuts pretty well, and it's starting to develop a nice patina now that I convinced my roommate not to scrub it off with a scotchbrite pad every time she uses it. I've never dealt with China Fair online, but in person they're a great little store. This reminds me, I might swing buy their Cambridge store to pick up a 4" carbon parer today, they were out last time I went. And no, I don't work for them and neither do any of my friends or family that I know of, I just want to defend a good local (to me) business.

daveb
04-18-2013, 03:33 PM
River Road is only showing 2 (two) adverse reviews on Amazon at this time, re this knife. Other reviews they may have written themselves.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/details/ref=aag_m_fb?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=1&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&seller=A2NVEKMQTGKOW8#http://www.amazon.com/gp/aag/details/ref=aag_m_fb?ie=UTF8&asin=&isAmazonFulfilled=1&isCBA=&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&seller=A2NVEKMQTGKOW8#

I'll add one after delivery and suggest others do so as well.

bikehunter
04-18-2013, 04:03 PM
Well, I put up a negative review as well but, I got to thinking (always dangerous for me), River Road may have been a victim as well. He has very good ratings and he may have innocently tried to clear out his Chinese made Sabs (which in reality, probably isn't that bad for 11 bucks) and some kid at Amazon posted it with the wrong pics and description. Shrug

ajhuff
04-18-2013, 04:41 PM
I see my review in there.

-AJ

joetbn
04-18-2013, 06:50 PM
Well, I put up a negative review as well but, I got to thinking (always dangerous for me), River Road may have been a victim as well. He has very good ratings and he may have innocently tried to clear out his Chinese made Sabs (which in reality, probably isn't that bad for 11 bucks) and some kid at Amazon posted it with the wrong pics and description. Shrug
Good point, i shouldn't assume that just because I think China Fair is innocent then River Road must be guilty.

Stumblinman
04-18-2013, 08:38 PM
Wow that looks like my parents old Wolfgang Puck knives. made in china and won't take an edge without chipping to hell.
handle will crack in dishwasher :D yeah that's what I think of it...

GlassEye
04-18-2013, 09:04 PM
Got mine today, instantly assessed as junk.

don
04-18-2013, 09:57 PM
Submitted my negative feedback on River Road.

Are these knives not even worth PIF donation?

bikehunter
04-18-2013, 10:04 PM
They're probably as good as half the knives of kitchens in this country. Shrug

Mrmnms
04-18-2013, 11:39 PM
Not for me. I will gift this to a non knife junky. She will think this is an awesome knife. I'll put an edge on it from time to time.

Don Nguyen
04-19-2013, 01:46 AM
I asked for a refund and they sent the request to River Road. It'll be a couple days if that processes.

Amazon also offered free shipping if I decided I wanted to get the real thing this time (which I wont, but not due to dissatisfaction for Amazon). I also get to keep this knife, and do.... something with it...

jazzybadger
04-19-2013, 04:50 PM
It would seem that in either event this vendor flew too close to the sun since it hit the KKF forums. A lot of knife passionate people are angry now, and they're not going to take this crap anymore!

FryBoy
04-19-2013, 05:04 PM
Apparently River Road has the ability to remove negative reviews -- not sure how that's done, but several that were there on April 17th, including mine, and now go.

Moreover, I have to wonder if the plethora of 5-star reviews for RR are largely phony -- I've never seen a seller get such a high percentage of "perfect" ratings from customers.

rahimlee54
04-19-2013, 05:24 PM
Got my return packaging slips today quick and easy, even though this happened amazon is still easy to work with. I usually only buy from them if it is fulfilled by them, but figured I would give this knife a try, oh well.

SpikeC
04-19-2013, 05:35 PM
I will never give credence to ratings on Amazon again.

GlassEye
04-19-2013, 07:12 PM
I emailed Amazon about my order, they sent a reply informing me that my money is being refunded and told me to keep or dispose of the knife. I will see how it sharpens, then maybe keep it around for abuse or give it to someone.

Amazon cutomer service was quick to respond and handled it well.
River Road hopefully gets what they deserve.

Mr.Magnus
04-19-2013, 07:39 PM
there is an old saying, If It Sounds Too Good to Be True, It Always Is..... lesson learned guys? :groucho:

Mike9
04-19-2013, 07:53 PM
Wow - sorry to hear you guys got hosed by RR. I would not blame Amazon they play host to a lot of great vendors. I just had a great experience through Rakuten though.

wenus2
04-19-2013, 11:10 PM
Apparently River Road has the ability to remove negative reviews -- not sure how that's done, but several that were there on April 17th, including mine, and now go.

Moreover, I have to wonder if the plethora of 5-star reviews for RR are largely phony -- I've never seen a seller get such a high percentage of "perfect" ratings from customers.

That is more than likely because it was an error by Amazon. I don't think the good reviews for RR are phony. I think the retailer does a good job at locating close out and wholesale products at very good prices and takes advantage of Amazon's near perfect logistics to deliver a very positive customer experience to price sensitive individuals.

There are two types of vendors on Amazon, those which use the site simply as a retail outlet and billing system, and those who additionally warehouse and ship their goods through Amazon. RR is the latter. The vendor sets their own pricing, and given that it was $11, I'd say that RR knew full well he was selling the cheap chinese knives and he priced them accordingly. Amazon is responsible for listing, billing, picking, packing, and shipping items for those vendors. They made the listing mistake, so they will incur the cost to rectify the issue and they will protect damage to RRs reputation for the issue. It's a minor inconvenience to those of us who purchased the knife (2 for me), but all-in-all they did right by us, IMO.

Turns out the deal was too good to be true.

FryBoy
04-19-2013, 11:15 PM
there is an old saying, If It Sounds Too Good to Be True, It Always Is..... lesson learned guys? :groucho:Well, not necessarily. It could have been a misprint.

I own a Kitchenaid Professional 600 Stand Mixer that I got new for a final cost of $49.99. Macy's had an ad in the L.A. Times for several Kitchenaid mixers, including the 600 for $99.99. I jokingly showed it to my wife, who said, "LET'S GO!" Despite my protests that they would never honor the price, which was an obvious misprint, we were at Macy's when they opened, ran to the kitchen department, grabbed a brand new 600 mixer, and took it to the checkout stand. The clerk rang it up and said it was on sale and that the sale price was $399.99 plus tax. I said, "No, it's on sale for $99.99," and handed her the ad. She called her supervisor, who looked at the ad, called someone else, shrugged her shoulders, and told the clerk to give it to me for the advertised price. Then the clerk said, "BTW, there's a 'Friends and Family' discount of 10% and a rebate of $50." "How nice -- give me the forms," I said. We walked out with the brand new new mixer; the out-the-door price with tax was $99.99, I got a $50 rebate in the mail on top of that, and I was able to register it at Kitchenaid. I posted a message about the deal on a couple to cooking BBs, but others told me that by the time they arrived, Macy's had signs posted throughout the store saying that the ad was a misprint and they would not honor it. Too bad -- I've been making cookies and cakes with it ever since.

Bottom line: it never hurts to try.

Don Nguyen
04-21-2013, 10:57 PM
I finally decided to open the package. Wowee, it's not good. I wonder if they even have quality control.

Well, Amazon let me keep it even with the refund. What should I do with it?

stereo.pete
04-22-2013, 12:16 AM
drill holes in it and make a cheese knife.

GlassEye
04-22-2013, 12:27 AM
drill holes in it and make a cheese knife.

Not a bad idea, I too have been trying to think of something to do to this thing.

Igasho
04-22-2013, 09:31 AM
I'm gonna take mine to work and leave it in my drawer for those days that I need to cut open boxes or cut sandwiches in half.

Don Nguyen
04-22-2013, 11:47 AM
Yeah I'll just leave it alone. I don't want to shorten the lives of my drill bits for one.

I'll use it on days when I need to break a coconut or lobster.

EchoRomeoCharlie
04-22-2013, 01:48 PM
at least it was free...and it got me free shipping on my victorinox boning knife i bought with it.

I'll give it to my mother...she will enjoy it.

chinacats
04-22-2013, 09:34 PM
ERC, I love my Forschner boner, hope you enjoy yours.

EchoRomeoCharlie
04-23-2013, 02:21 PM
ERC, I love my Forschner boner, hope you enjoy yours.

I've tried it out on some random stuff...it's got a damn nice stock edge on it and the shape is great. I'm going to order 3 more for butchering deer. These will make my life so much easier.

And for how cheap they are...no wonder butchers use them.

GlassEye
04-25-2013, 03:07 AM
I used mine tonight to cut something in a glass pie plate, got a few chips in the edge :happymug:

bikehunter
04-25-2013, 06:48 AM
I used mine tonight to cut something in a glass pie plate, got a few chips in the edge :happymug:

Wow, that's odd...and surprising. I've had three for years, a stiff one , a flexible one and a stiff one with a radical curve. I don't know if I could get them to chip if I tried. Shrug