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maxim
07-03-2013, 02:56 AM
I wake up today with many of emails in my mail box about that Mark going to cary Kato.
Well i kind of expected that and was prepared by for that :) In fact he will not be the only one that will do that.

I thought that Kato was so special and soo Unique of a knife that from start so thought for sure it will be copied and tried to get from other sellers.

Thats why we made Workhorse with different steel and different profile and also better FF.

But i am very humbled that so many wrote to me about it and showed your concern !!
Thanks :D

Bram
07-03-2013, 03:17 AM
I'm assuming the Kato he will sell will not be the same - probably the ones that can be found in Japan, and made of blue #2 I think. I didn't know about this news, but just checked the website and see that prices are high, and much higher than what the other Kato would cost in Japan - maybe $150-$200 more. I'm sure they're great knives, but based on this I wouldn't advise anyone to buy the CK2G Katos.

maxim
07-03-2013, 04:29 AM
Ohh yeah just seen that :D
Not only that ours is better with more care and its also cheaper, by a LOT, plus i have free shipping.

jimbob
07-03-2013, 06:11 AM
I need no convincing!

schanop
07-13-2013, 09:37 PM
On Friday, there was this claim


They're getting handled right now. I'll add more to the item info pages once they're ready to go. And yes they're the same knives with our handles.


Also saw another reference to Kato knives here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.580708041960045.1073741827.194117440619109&type=1

Oh well, I will just have to wait for chrysanthemum dragon to arrive at my door in August.

CanadianMan
07-13-2013, 10:53 PM
Yeah that would be tosho knife arts in Toronto. Ivan and Olivia just started to carry kato, only a few

pkjames
07-14-2013, 12:28 AM
On Friday, there was this claim



Also saw another reference to Kato knives here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.580708041960045.1073741827.194117440619109&type=1

Oh well, I will just have to wait for chrysanthemum dragon to arrive at my door in August.

So u actually got it! Nice, I am also very very exited. Hahaha

Squilliam
07-14-2013, 05:21 AM
On the bright side, I guess it's all good news for Kato.

James
07-17-2013, 05:18 PM
The ones on CKTG are now listed as white#2. I expect the ones that maxim sells are a bit fancier.

Twistington
07-17-2013, 06:02 PM
From his forum:
And yes they're the same knives with our handles.

From his webshop:
spine thickness at base: 4.69mm
blade height: 47.36mm

And if I trust Maksims ability to read a caliper(no use for me to measure since my prototype is over a year old etc)...
Blade Height at Heel- 50mm
Width of Spine at Handle- 6mm

To me that's not "this new knife on the site the same one getting the hype elsewhere?", the only thing that is the same is the maker.

labor of love
07-19-2013, 02:07 AM
many on that forum are dissing this forum these days....theyre scratching their heads as to why the artifex isnt getting the love it deserves...

don
07-19-2013, 02:18 AM
they're scratching their heads as to why the artifex isnt getting the love it deserves...

How can you love this?

17118

knyfeknerd
07-19-2013, 02:26 AM
Damn, I know I can't afford it, but this really makes me want to buy a Kato from you Maxim!

bieniek
07-19-2013, 04:58 AM
The ones on CKTG are now listed as white#2. I expect the ones that maxim sells are a bit fancier.

Wouldnt be so sure.

But really, even if Bitchmond written its tamahagane, how would you check it out? It might be white 2 as well as yellow 3 or green 12.
For sure they have some decent HT but why he sells at a higher price? I heard that was not his strategy previously...

maxim
07-19-2013, 06:11 AM
The steel he use in ours is more expensive then white 2 !

I think Kato will be for him like Shigefusa, after some time, he will not get any and he will say there was a problem with FF that's why we don't sell them anymore :laugh:

As you see he got only 3 knives, and i think he sells them already with very low profit

I told that before Kato kitchen knives is quite pricy in Japan and he make less of them then say Shig

markenki
07-19-2013, 07:02 PM
I think Kato will be for him like Shigefusa, after some time, he will not get any and he will say there was a problem with FF that's why we don't sell them anymore :laugh:

Did he say that? That's hilarious.

labor of love
07-19-2013, 08:47 PM
Oh no he didn't!!!! Lol! Yeah, he definitely said that. Search shigefusa on his forum.

chinacats
07-20-2013, 02:18 AM
One of the biggest used car salesmen on the net...amazing. I love the Shig quote...can you say lying ************?

brainsausage
07-20-2013, 02:30 AM
I've never checked out the forum until just hours ago, but I don't really care for the general feel of it. That being said- what I did read had a surprising amount of 'the other forum/the unnamed forum/the forum that shall be left unsaid- type of posts. It feels very Jets vs Sharks now, after gaining that type of perspective. Not sure how I feel about that.

Totally derailing this thread... I'll try to make up for it by saying thank you to Maxim, for introducing me to these awesome knives in the first place.

Cheers,

- Josh

kalaeb
07-20-2013, 02:59 AM
Seriously stop making mountains out of mole hills in reference to any forum bashing, try taking the higher road.

As far as Kato is concerned, more power to him, I hope, and if Maxim is the guy I think he is, also wishes only for the best for him and his success through any sales outlet, Toshi, Knife Wear, CKTG, wherever.

bieniek
07-20-2013, 03:12 AM
The steel he use in ours is more expensive then white 2 !


Yeah, and I have no problem accepting/believing.

But because its a "secret steel" it might be anything, until I will cut the tip away and send it to Gator. :D

brainsausage
07-20-2013, 03:53 AM
Seriously stop making mountains out of mole hills in reference to any forum bashing, try taking the higher road.

As far as Kato is concerned, more power to him, I hope, and if Maxim is the guy I think he is, also wishes only for the best for him and his success through any sales outlet, Toshi, Knife Wear, CKTG, wherever.

Ignoring a problem isn't always the solution.

maxim
07-20-2013, 05:27 AM
I started this thread becose of concerns from my costumers, Kato is very small maker so getting more sellers will not affect him in any way. But been asociated with bad ones can affect him, As I been told from some emails that I got.
That's why I made that thread so people know my relationship and our quality of workhoarse and other knives from him will not change.

And you know how some retailers like to send Japanese knives to other manufactures and be copyd and sold cheaper :)

So yeah some things can not be ignored unfortunately, tried that before did not turn out so great :(

Dave Martell
07-20-2013, 11:26 AM
Let's not forget the power of $$$ when a substantial order is placed by one retailer, it can close the door on others, even the one who discovered the maker.

maxim
07-20-2013, 12:59 PM
I am super lucky I don't have that problem now with Kato

But yeah Dave I know what you mean and it was done before on purpers by some retailers to close the doors for small ones :(
In the end it can actually ruin the quality and reputation of the product !!

mast3quila
07-22-2013, 06:37 PM
I just figured it out.
I have a sour feeling in my stomach.
This whole cktg thing.
I have no complaints about them or their service personally. In fact, in order to get me a knife before a holiday they 2nd day shipped for no extra charge when I ordered 3 day select.
But...Who exactly am I supporting?
I guess the deeper I dig, the more I shall learn and there will be a point where it goes beyond just knives. Well I have some things to think about I guess. Coming from 24 years of retail I can understand what's going on.
I've had one of their Katos on my short list of what to buy next so that's why I posted in this thread. I've spent the last 90 minutes reading about the history/drama/ethics/etc.

chinacats
07-22-2013, 11:17 PM
I just figured it out.
I have a sour feeling in my stomach.
This whole cktg thing.
I have no complaints about them or their service personally. In fact, in order to get me a knife before a holiday they 2nd day shipped for no extra charge when I ordered 3 day select.
But...Who exactly am I supporting?
I guess the deeper I dig, the more I shall learn and there will be a point where it goes beyond just knives. Well I have some things to think about I guess. Coming from 24 years of retail I can understand what's going on.
I've had one of their Katos on my short list of what to buy next so that's why I posted in this thread. I've spent the last 90 minutes reading about the history/drama/ethics/etc.

Maxim's are better and less expensive, so your list should've just gotten shorter. :doublethumbsup:

Zwiefel
07-22-2013, 11:25 PM
better and less expensive

Pffft....is that your only argument? :)

daveb
07-22-2013, 11:43 PM
Maxim prob has quicker delivery.

brainsausage
07-23-2013, 03:39 AM
Maxim prob has quicker delivery.

Oh snap!

maxim
07-23-2013, 05:47 AM
Thanks :)
As a consumer my self I am bit amazed how fast DHL is !!
And be able to offer it now for free, very lucky that I could get those prices from my currier !!

Lefty
07-24-2013, 11:49 PM
Just caught wind of this thread, and I have nothing to say about the Mark, etc. I like him, because he's never bee anything but good to me. HOWEVER, I will say that Maxim is an awesome guy who finds crazy awesome knives. I have fallen for a certain maker, and Maxim has been more than accommodating in possibly helping me waste my paper route money to get more. :) Seriously, what I am sayi is that Maxim is a classy guy, and he'll always have a loyal customer base.