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Marko Tsourkan
07-04-2013, 12:36 AM
I would like to offer some of 225mm gyuto ready made, as this lengh seems to be sought after for a line knife with a tight work space. I will only make a few, as between the contest knife, heavy chef's, honesuki project and orders I need to deliver this month, it leaves me with no time left.

Cost $400 per knife. Shipping will be extra.

Payment upon completion. 100% satisfaction guarantee and 7 days return for a full refund (conditions apply).

225mm Gyuto (http://www.tsourkanknives.com/index.php/surveys/225mm-gyuto)

NO ChoP!
07-04-2013, 12:57 AM
Marko, I sent submission, not sure it went through as I was redirected back to original screen....I'm in.

jared08
07-04-2013, 12:58 AM
255mm and im yours

jigert
07-04-2013, 01:00 AM
Keeping yourself busy, Marko! :D I'd love to get in on this but unfortunately I have too much on the way already...

Marko Tsourkan
07-04-2013, 01:25 AM
I am trying to pair a 3-4 225mm with 225mm custom orders for efficiency sake. 255 is not in the plans at the moment, unfortunately.

M

ar11
07-04-2013, 05:04 AM
In for one yAy

edredlee
07-04-2013, 06:53 AM
I think it got submitted and I'm in??

ms4awd
07-04-2013, 07:00 AM
submitted form also. let me know if i got in on this. thanks

Marko Tsourkan
07-04-2013, 11:00 AM
I think it got submitted and I'm in??

You are in.

Whew, I better get down to planning how I will do all the work this month.

Majority went for 52100, however there were a few who dared to try A2. It's a great steel, folks. It gets a notch less sharp than 52100, then drops a little bit in sharpness after some use, and stays there for a long time. This would be my steel of choice for a scimitar, a bread, and a line knife that sees a volume of cutting.

Anyway, I got all info I was looking for, now to work. Pics as they become available.

Thanks, again. This has been a great show of confidence and I hope I won't disappoint you guys.

M

PS: unfortunately, customization is not an option on these knives. I do need to streamline all production steps, so working with same thickness wood, same width, cut into same lengh blocs, is essential for a smooth and efficient production. The problem with custom orders is that all orders have subtle differences in them (wood blocks need to be cut to size, squared, etc, different ferrule material, etc), making it difficult to work on more than one at a time. That's the cons, the pros is that you get a good knife reasonably priced. If I have time left, I might get some sayas for these as well.

ms4awd
07-04-2013, 11:12 AM
however there were a few who dared to try A2. It's a great steel

i submitted the form with 52100 if i made it into this batch can u switch mine to A2. Had some questions about the steel that your post just answered,wanted to try it out but wasnt quite sure thats why i chose 52100 on the form. hope this is ok. Thanks

Marko Tsourkan
07-04-2013, 11:59 AM
i submitted the form with 52100 if i made it into this batch can u switch mine to A2. Had some questions about the steel that your post just answered,wanted to try it out but wasnt quite sure thats why i chose 52100 on the form. hope this is ok. Thanks

Done.

I sent out an email to everybody who submitted input. If you haven't received an email from me, please check your spam folder and/or contact me.

Thanks,

M

edredlee
07-07-2013, 05:00 AM
Marko, I sent you an email with a question regarding your brass or silver nickle options and other things. Thought I'd post something here in case you haven't seen the email! Thanks!

Marko Tsourkan
07-07-2013, 10:24 AM
Ed,
both will polish to a high luster, and both will tarnish slightly over time. Brass gives yellow accent to a handle (think Kramer knives), giving it a little bit of color. N/S is used when you want a more uniform look - less contrast between the guard and the blade. It's all about personal preferences.

M

Marko Tsourkan
07-07-2013, 02:53 PM
Getting liquid nitrogen refill tomorrow, and once it in the house, will begin working on this batch.

I can heat treat only 6 knives per day, so it will take me a few days to get all blanks (225mm gyutos and 135-150mm honesukis) heat treated.

Random pics of this project are upcoming.

M

PS: If I manage to pull off these two projects in time I plan, I will consider similar projects but in different lengh/types/steels in the future. Time to get serious!

NO ChoP!
07-07-2013, 04:54 PM
:happy1:

marc4pt0
07-08-2013, 08:32 AM
Game face time!

Marko Tsourkan
07-08-2013, 10:18 AM
Cutting blanks and profiling them is the most inefficient step (at the moment). Unfortunately, until I get electricity upgrade, I am stuck to contemplate better options (in house blank cutting).

That's what I will do for a half day today.

M

edredlee
07-10-2013, 05:22 AM
Marko, thanks for the answer on brass vs NS. Looking forward to the knife!

Bill13
07-11-2013, 12:43 PM
Cutting blanks and profiling them is the most inefficient step (at the moment). Unfortunately, until I get electricity upgrade, I am stuck to contemplate better options (in house blank cutting).

That's what I will do for a half day today.

M

If you were closer I would offer to swap electrical work for knives:) If you have any electrical questions pm me. I've been an electrician for 29 years and an electrical contractor for 23.

Marko Tsourkan
07-12-2013, 08:02 AM
Unfortunately, all electric work has to be done in accordance to NYS code and done by NYS licensed electrician.

Marko Tsourkan
07-13-2013, 01:27 PM
LN in the house. Resuming heat treating.

M

jgraeff
07-13-2013, 11:44 PM
Marko,

just curious how you use the liquid nitrogen for heat treat?

also is a passaround for A-2 or PM steel still in the works?

Marko Tsourkan
07-14-2013, 12:11 AM
Marko,

just curious how you use the liquid nitrogen for heat treat?

also is a passaround for A-2 or PM steel still in the works?

Jordan,
LN is an integral part of a good heat treatment. To discuss exactly how I do, would probably not be prudent on a public forum, but I would say that every steel will benefit from a cryo treatment: hardness, ductability, structure, all improve.

Pass-arounds are hard to do at the present time as I owe a bunch of work and embark on new projects to stay competitive.

I however plan to offer ready-made knives in different steels on a regular basis. This will allow me to keep prices for ready-made knives where they are now.

There is one or two 225mm in A2 in this batch, so I hope a review will be upcoming and other ready made will include more of it, as well as PM#1 and PM#2. As more knives are out there, maybe folks would consider a pass-around.

I do solicit an input from everybody who gets a knife from me, so the feedback helps me with minute tweaks.

M

Marko Tsourkan
07-14-2013, 09:54 AM
I didn't put the edge on it yet, but it is ground very thin at the edge and above. 190g. Balance 1/4 forward from the handle. The batch of ready made will be made similarly to this one.

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Marko Tsourkan
07-14-2013, 10:44 AM
Balance is 1/4" forward, so right at the neck. I incorporated several suggestions from recent threads in my sub forum, so this knife is pretty close to how I will make the whole batch.

markenki
07-14-2013, 12:25 PM
Lefty!

Marko Tsourkan
07-14-2013, 12:41 PM
Yes, and the blade is ground for the left hand use (not entirely symmetric).

M

Mrmnms
07-14-2013, 05:44 PM
Yes, and the blade is ground for the left hand use (not entirely symmetric).

M
You're speaking my language

Marko Tsourkan
07-14-2013, 07:07 PM
You're speaking my language

I didn't realized there are so many lefties on the forum. Well, I don't discriminate - no surcharge for a lefty, on a double or a single bevel.

M

Nasr
07-14-2013, 10:53 PM
Crisp Clean work..Im Sorry I missed the Sign up :(

Mrmnms
07-14-2013, 11:24 PM
I figured for the sake of efficiency, you'd stick to a batch for right handed users. I'll hope to see you by the end of summer when you catch up a little to get a knife order going. Lefty honesuki maybe. I am looking forward to using a knife with you level of fit and finish. Steel and style to e determined. BTW, enjoying the diamond plates and holder, thanks Marko. If you do a small group of knives for lefties, I'd be interested as well.

Marko Tsourkan
07-14-2013, 11:51 PM
I figured for the sake of efficiency, you'd stick to a batch for right handed users. I'll hope to see you by the end of summer when you catch up a little to get a knife order going. Lefty honesuki maybe. I am looking forward to using a knife with you level of fit and finish. Steel and style to e determined. BTW, enjoying the diamond plates and holder, thanks Marko. If you do a small group of knives for lefties, I'd be interested as well.

Lefties are welcome here, it really doesn't make that much of a difference grinding a single or double bevel knife.

M

Mrmnms
07-14-2013, 11:58 PM
Does this apply to the hybrid hon/petty, or is that one closed Marko?

Marko Tsourkan
07-15-2013, 12:05 AM
I don't think I will have time to do it before Aug 1, but I might run another batch in September.

M

Mrmnms
07-15-2013, 03:50 AM
I hope to see you in September if you have time Marko. I think I'm less than an hour away during the week. Thanks

Marko Tsourkan
07-15-2013, 08:16 AM
So that you guys know that I am not bluffing, here is another lefty (180mm petty chef in AEB-L).

I will add maple a choice of wood for the next run of ready-made. I have two kinds, blond and reddish, both AAA grade. I really like this combination (light and dark wood), and will probably do a matching blackwood end cap on some handles.

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markenki
07-15-2013, 11:21 AM
Beauty.

Mrmnms
07-15-2013, 12:20 PM
gorgeous! You don't strike me as the bluffing type. Already looking forward to a Marko lefty.

Nasr
07-15-2013, 02:01 PM
That petty is sublime
Your profiles are purpose conceived and executed
Wonderfully
Wood work is outstanding

Marko Tsourkan
07-15-2013, 02:28 PM
Thank you.

M

panda
07-15-2013, 06:39 PM
holy crap that's too pretty to use!

Marko Tsourkan
07-15-2013, 11:11 PM
Heattreated some 52100 and AEB-L today, tomorrow heattreating more of 52100 and A2.

Wednesday, start grinding. Whew.

M

Line cooked
07-16-2013, 12:42 AM
Grinding ...literally and figuratively...good luck brother


Heattreated some 52100 and AEB-L today, tomorrow heattreating more of 52100 and A2.

Wednesday, start grinding. Whew.

M

don
07-16-2013, 12:50 AM
Maple handle is stunning. Nice work, Marko.

Marko Tsourkan
07-16-2013, 02:26 AM
Maple handle is stunning. Nice work, Marko.

If you think this one is stunning,you will love the new maple (coming soon) I will have for budged handle material option.

M

ar11
07-16-2013, 05:38 PM
Marko in the future will you be doing ready made gyuto runs in different sizes.. say 180MM? :viking:

Marko Tsourkan
07-16-2013, 07:10 PM
Marko in the future will you be doing ready made gyuto runs in different sizes.. say 180MM? :viking:

180mm is my bread and butter size, courtesy of Steve Sipcich. The last picture I posted (one with the maple handle for left hand use) is that of 180mm.

Yes, I will. In fact I am planning either 255 or 240mm run in September.

M

Marko Tsourkan
07-23-2013, 09:46 AM
I am aiming to have first 5 knives shipped tomorrow. Pics tomorrow morning.

M

Marko Tsourkan
07-23-2013, 11:33 AM
Here are some details:

- I made them a little longer (5-6mm) to factor in broken tips down the road, so the actual lengh on the edge is about 230mm

- Tip is thin, but no excessive flex (in fact, very little flex)

- Same goes for the spine, I actually ground it a little thicker for the lengh to give the knife a little more heft

-Tip curve at the last 1.5" (or so) is flattened to allow more efficient tip use

- Knife is very thin at the edge and above, so when sharpening, don't go below 1K and don't apply much pressure - burr will form very easily with little pressure. And remember to use the felt/diamond strop - it will prolong life of you knife considerably and make frequent sharpening unnecessary. The edge should last 1-2 months in a pro kitchen in between sharpening, with frequent stropping.

edredlee
07-23-2013, 02:21 PM
Awesome news! Can't wait!

Marko Tsourkan
07-23-2013, 08:19 PM
Well, all blades in the first batch turned out to be for a left hand use. I changed one step in a process to accommodate working on several blades at the time, and as result, I got lefties - the bevel angle is slightly larger on the left side than on the right . Starting on replacement righties tomorrow!

These will be offered as ready-made for left hand users.

M

Marko Tsourkan
07-23-2013, 08:53 PM
False alarm - only a couple are for a left hand use. I just inspected a knife from a reputable J. maker and could say with a certain degree of confidence that it would be more suitable for a left hand user, but it came with a right hand handle.

Crothcipt
07-23-2013, 10:47 PM
Lol :fanning::ninja:

Marko Tsourkan
07-23-2013, 10:55 PM
Lol :fanning::ninja:

:D

It's like a litter of Scotties, where you can have black and brindle puppies. So far two could be better suited for lefties, and they would have left handle. Two are coin toss.

The next batch will be only for right-hand.

Marko Tsourkan
07-24-2013, 10:38 AM
Took one home to test cutting.

As you can see, the profile is is Masamoto derived, however the immediate area behind the tip is a bit flatter for efficient tip work. This feature will make it a poor rocker, as tip will have tendency to stick in the board, but it will make a fine pull/push cutter and precise tip worker.

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Lefty
07-24-2013, 12:01 PM
Marko, can I call a lefty now? :D

greasedbullet
07-28-2013, 06:55 PM
Can I sign up for the September run? I vote 240mm.

Marko Tsourkan
07-30-2013, 02:42 PM
An update

This project is on hold until I return from vacation. I ground the whole batch .5mm thinner, and that turned out to be a mistake, as it impacted food release, even though it improved cutting performance (the knife glides through sweet potatoes). I frantically tried to redo the batch, but I kept making mistakes, costly mistakes, and it has had a discouraging effect, so I had to step away from this project, finish a few unrelated projects, and come back to it at a later time.

I apologize for raising expectations, but everything I send out now has to perform on all levels, or it is a deal breaker.

I wanted to thank people who committed to this order and I hope the incentives I offered were well received.

I will go back to my tried and true geometry, an example of which is below. It would be a similar knife you guys will get. Thinness on the edge (tip to heel) is under .005.

Thanks everybody.


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17558


17559

17560

17561

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Lefty
07-30-2013, 05:02 PM
This is why you are possibly one of the most sought after makers in the game.

Have a great vacation, Marko.

Dream Burls
07-30-2013, 05:04 PM
This is why you are possibly one of the most sought after makers in the game.

Have a great vacation, Marko.
:plus1:

Marko Tsourkan
07-30-2013, 06:47 PM
It's never easy to go on vacation haven't completed a lot planned, but I need to stop and rethink how I do things going forward. I need to figure out how to tackle issues that have dogged me from the very start - order management, deadlines, etc, stuff that throws me of. Need to do a lot of thinking.

One thing I want to assure everyone is that I will make up for the long wait and hopefully I won't disappoint.

M

Mrmnms
07-30-2013, 07:05 PM
I'm sitting on a balcony over looking a harbor with my wife and a bottle of wine.. My kids are with my sister. My office can't reach me. First time away from my kids for more than 18 hours in almost 12 years. Everybody needs a break Marko. You will be better for it and so will everybody you deal with. Make the most of it.

markenki
07-31-2013, 12:58 AM
Beautiful! Enjoy your vacation, Marko.

edredlee
09-30-2013, 03:42 AM
Marko, just curious on the where abouts of this project.
I've emailed you with my new address and hadn't heard back in a week or so..

Thanks, Ed Lee.
-also, your pm box is full!

Marko Tsourkan
09-30-2013, 03:07 PM
Ed,
I sent you an email to your gmail account a few days ago. Will free up the KKF mailbox now.

M

edredlee
10-01-2013, 04:23 AM
Marko, I didn't seem to have gotten any emails from the past week. I'll send you a pm! Thanks!

Marko Tsourkan
10-16-2013, 09:29 AM
2x 225mm gyotos are coming up.

One with a maple handle and one with cocobolo handle and saya.

I have more in works.

Hattorichop
10-16-2013, 09:58 AM
I'll take one!

Marko Tsourkan
10-16-2013, 11:12 AM
The whole batch is bespoken already.

M

Hattorichop
10-16-2013, 11:19 AM
Well, don't tease us like that.

Marko Tsourkan
10-17-2013, 12:57 AM
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ecchef
10-17-2013, 03:11 AM
Yummy!

wenus2
10-17-2013, 03:18 AM
Dibs on the shiny one!

Marko Tsourkan
10-17-2013, 08:54 AM
The next batch of 225mm will be larger - 4-6 knives, and I will start as soon as these two are finished.

Marko Tsourkan
10-18-2013, 02:16 PM
Second coming up and then the next batch right after. This one still needs maker's mark etched and final polish. Final pics will be coming next week. The saya should withstand being stepped on without cracking.

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Von blewitt
10-18-2013, 05:17 PM
Very nice Marko!

Marko Tsourkan
10-18-2013, 07:42 PM
It looks like just another knife that I made. :)

For me it's two birds with one stone - show new work and let people know what their knife is completed.

M

cookinstuff
10-19-2013, 02:30 AM
So when you say the saya should withstand stepping on it without cracking, did you step on it? :biggrin:

Marko Tsourkan
10-19-2013, 02:51 AM
Yes, an old one.

Marko Tsourkan
10-20-2013, 02:45 PM
225mm laser in 52100 with fiddle-back maple handle Spine thickness at the handle, 3.3mm, 3mm over the heel, 1.75mm half way, and 1.5 50mm from the tip, .9mm 10mm from the tip. The blade still needs final polish and name etched. This one also have a slightly flatter profile than one in the previous post.

The knife is taller than appears in the picture (48.5mm)

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Pensacola Tiger
10-20-2013, 03:09 PM
Beautiful work, as usual, Marko.

Crothcipt
10-20-2013, 07:02 PM
+1

Marko Tsourkan
11-05-2013, 08:59 AM
A quick updated on these. Almost all blades are being worked on. Some are near completion, some are just rough ground. Will be posting completed blades in this thread. Thank you for your patience.

M

ecchef
01-16-2014, 08:58 AM
Marko, any updates on this?

Marko Tsourkan
01-16-2014, 09:16 AM
Warapping up the practice knives batch from the last offering and will start on ready-mades.

From those, one is already completed, and the rest will be worked in two batches.

Yours should be done in time when I will start shipping leather sayas.

Thanks,

Marko

ecchef
01-16-2014, 07:59 PM
Marko, if you want to go Western with it, that's fine by me. I'll leave it up to you.