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Dave Martell
05-24-2011, 04:39 PM
I've mentioned that I will be having to raise the pricing on this kit when the new stock arrives. At the moment we're holding longer than expected for the felt components to show from India and because of the amount of requests for the product I've decided to extend the sale price during this time.

We're listing the kits for sale at the old pricing if backordered.

Delivery shouuld be 2-3 weeks - tops.

See All U Need Strop Kit (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/stropkit.htm) for details.


http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=634&d=1306265945

Dave Martell
06-08-2011, 07:09 PM
We're still waiting on some of the components to come to us so the sale continues!

Zach
08-11-2011, 10:13 AM
hey dave! is it still possible to get in on the back order of your strop kit? not worried so much about the price, as just getting my hands on one :) thanks!

Dave Martell
08-11-2011, 11:30 AM
Hi Zach,
Yes I can take two more orders before having to make you wait even longer. If you'd like I could send you a Paypal invoice?

Thanks,
Dave

Zach
08-11-2011, 01:26 PM
yes please!!!! thanks!!

Wagstaff
08-14-2011, 06:44 PM
How to get in on this? I see on your site it can't be added to a cart as back-order.... or is it just too late anyway?

Dave Martell
08-15-2011, 12:38 AM
I'm trying to figure out what to do with this...I'll get back to you guys.

Dave Martell
08-15-2011, 03:39 PM
I'm hesitant to take any more orders on this product until I know for sure that the leather being supplied is good to go. I know that there's a lot of people interested at this point and I'm sorry about not being able to take your orders at this time.

peterm
08-16-2011, 04:45 PM
Thanks for the update Dave.
Having never stropped before (shame) how many stropping sessions would you expect the kit to last, and what would need replacing first?

Dave Martell
08-16-2011, 04:57 PM
It'll last forever, or close to it.

The first thing that'll wear out or need replacing will be the felt block since that'll get cut into a lot but even at a crazy rate of sharpening it could be a year to years before that needs replacing. Usually leather gets nicked and needs replacing often with a strop but if the new leather pad is anything like the old one it'll last a very long time as the old leather was extremely nick resistant, actually the best I've used in this regard. The felt pad is super dense and won;t easily fluff or break down although you have to keep drops of water away from it as water will reconstitute the felt so to speak and you'll have quite a lump in the pad but otherwise it doesn't wear much. The diamond spray should last for longer than I can imagine.

peterm
08-16-2011, 05:33 PM
Great, thanks for the reply. Hopefully it will come in stock and the leather will be up to snuff!

Dave Martell
08-16-2011, 06:06 PM
Yes I hope so too. :)

unkajonet
09-06-2011, 12:38 PM
Any word on the leather strop? :D

Dave Martell
09-06-2011, 02:00 PM
I don't have good news.....I haven't received a test sample yet which has to mean it's not working out on their end. I have an email into them now and I'll report back when I hear from them.

Dave Martell
09-06-2011, 04:39 PM
The word is that the new leather didn't pass the supplier's QC. I've been told it'll be a few more days before they get the next stuff in to try.

Sorry again to everyone who's waiting. :(

Dave Martell
09-23-2011, 09:28 PM
OK folks we've got word that the supplier has approved and is shipping the new style leather to us! I'll do some testing before I ship first though so don't get too excited but I think based on what I hear that it should be good to go. :)

Eamon Burke
09-24-2011, 01:14 AM
Not that you need to hear this(kinda goes without saying for you), but don't let our anticipation and the long wait push you into changing your standards. I trust your leather guy can get you the good stuff, though it might take some searching.

Dave Martell
09-28-2011, 04:00 PM
I received the leather today. I've gone ahead and spritzed one of the pads with diamond spray and when it's dry I'll start using it and see what I get. Stay tuned!

Dave Martell
09-28-2011, 05:50 PM
OK I hate to jump the gun but when I'm excited it's hard to keep it to myself. :)

I just went back into the wet room and had a look at the new leather pad that I had spritzed with our Dupont diamond spray earlier this morning. I was surprised to find the leather dry to the touch because most times this stuff takes some time to soak into and dry on the surface of leather. Well since it was dry I went and gathered up a few knives. I grabbed one brand new never used (straight out of the box from Japan) Hiro AS gyuto, a Susin Inox gyuto that's very dull awaiting sharpening service, & my own Watanabe nakiri with some little chips and rounded over ccurved section (blame the wife for damages here).

I tested each knife with paper (push and slice cuts) & the 3 finger test before getting started. All knives would slice but only the heal of the Watanabe nakiri push cut. The Susin Inox barely made the slice though. None passed the 3-finger test.

So then I stropped them all going at 10 passes per side. Each knife showed considerable improvement. All immediately passed the 3-finger test - not expected. All but the Suisin Inox (remember this one was dead ass dull already) now push cut. The Watanabe (aside from the edge chips) could have fooled me into thinking that it had just been sharpened. The Hiro AS was almost as good as having been sharpened but not super impressive, I think the edge is a little rounded from the factory.

Overall this is pretty good and slightly better than I would have expected.

Now I decided to fix the edge of the Watanabe by sharpening it up. I used the Beston 500x, Bester 1200x, & Suehiro Rika 5k to do the work. I ran the edge through a felt block after each stone. Then I followed with stropping on this new leather pad. This is where I became excited. :)

I got so excited because of a couple of things. I think that just having a leather pad available now was enough to sway my decisions so I tried not to let this get in the way of the facts. What I got from stropping the Watanabe post sharpening session is pretty damn remarkable actually. I got a near perfect burr free edge from 2 passes per side that was looking like 8k+ polished that is so damn crispy it wanted to grab my fingerprint upon touching it. It fell through paper on the slice like I had used a leather belt loaded with chromium oxide - whisper quiet (not something I see with diamond spray - ever) and the push cut was just top notch in every aspect. Why does this make me so excited? It's because this particular knife is normally a pain in the ass to de-burr and get to this level. I usually put off sharpening this one because I don't feel like going through all the normal de-burring crap I usually have to deal with. In this case I just did 2 passes on each side on the leather and it was done. I was sort of in disbelief that my eyes were lying to me so I went and used a loop to inspect closer and all I saw was 2 tiny micro-burr thingies hanging on in the curve section. I went back and did another two passes and inspected again and they were gone - edge perfect.

Now for the leather. Obviously I'm impressed with what I've seen so far with the results for touch up and deburring use but what about user friendly-ness. Well here come more praise. :)

The leather seemed to have soaked in the diamond quickly yet left it available on the surface. This isn't at all normal as diamond spray generally needs 2-3 applications (layers) to build up in the leather before the surface provides it to use. This is a very nice effect that means we can use less expensive diamond spray and not have to wait as long to use after application.

The surface of the leather is smooth/textured, that is it's a smooth textured leather that is thin and has little give to it. The texture provides a slight draw (that I find perfect) and very low chance of edge rolling. I tested this by applying massive downward pressure and even though I could see the surface flex under load it did not dub the edge at all. This is a key feature to new sharpeners who often use poor technique as they learn. The feel of the draw (or pull) of the leather is just enough to provide nice feel & feedback without being sticky and grabby. The other thing worth noting here is the leather is not easy to cut unless you're trying to like I was. I did make one slice but it was small and I was trying at least 10 times to do, I'd say that's a win there.

Even though I'm initially impressed I'm not going to release them just yet. I need to really make sure that they'll hold up over time so I'll keep using this one and beat it up some and do some more testing. I still need to do single bevels as well. I'll report back in a few days after I get some more experience under my belt. At least we have hope now. :)

WildBoar
09-28-2011, 05:58 PM
That's great to hear! I'm looking forward to having this kit soon, as I've been limited to felt and one Chromium oxide spray, and really want to try some leather and the diamond spray.

Dave Martell
09-28-2011, 07:00 PM
I think that you'll like it a lot over the chromium oxide and felt.

tk59
09-28-2011, 08:38 PM
Just release it. I'll take my chances. :)

HHH Knives
09-28-2011, 09:29 PM
:plus1: me too! Im not even on the Back Order list, But I gota get one and some of the spray ASAP! sounds like a great addition to my process.:)

Dave Martell
09-28-2011, 11:58 PM
No way! :p

tk59
09-29-2011, 12:07 AM
Or you could just send me some so I can uh... test it for you. :D

Dave Martell
09-29-2011, 12:12 AM
Or you could just send me some so I can uh... test it for you. :D


You're the 2nd guy to offer that :D

tk59
09-29-2011, 12:18 AM
Did he offer to pay to test? :D

Dave Martell
09-29-2011, 12:21 AM
Did he offer to pay to test? :D


Actually he did. LOL :D

HHH Knives
09-29-2011, 12:21 AM
Heck yea I did!! lol :D



I mean im sure he did..

tk59
09-29-2011, 01:31 AM
Fine... Be that way. ;)

Zach
09-29-2011, 10:40 AM
that's great news dave!!

Dave Martell
10-01-2011, 12:47 AM
I used the leather only once today and have nothing new to report as it worked the same. I have a lot of sharpening to do this weekend as well as I'm teaching a 1 on 1 class on Monday so I should have a pretty good feeling for it by the end of all that. I'll report back on Tues.

unkajonet
10-02-2011, 10:14 PM
Is it Tuesday yet?:D

Dave Martell
10-02-2011, 10:21 PM
Well I found a problem (figures right?) that the leather curls on the edges when it dries. I know this to a be a problem if leather is over saturated but that wasn't the case I don't believe. I'm going to test a 3rd pad being extra careful and see what happens. If it occurs again then this will need a fix before we can move on.

On a positive note the leather kicks ass for stropping.

unkajonet
10-02-2011, 10:25 PM
Thanks for the update!

zitangy
10-02-2011, 10:41 PM
Well I found a problem (figures right?) that the leather curls on the edges when it dries. I know this to a be a problem if leather is over saturated but that wasn't the case I don't believe. I'm going to test a 3rd pad being extra careful and see what happens. If it occurs again then this will need a fix before we can move on.

On a positive note the leather kicks ass for stropping.

Hi Dave,

just a thought...

perhaps the leather could already be too dry.. and not supple anymore.I do oil my leather with mineral oil as I find that when dry it is too smooth anyway and does not bite.

It will dry up after a few hours and may may leave a thin layer of (invisible oil) Don't know how it will react to water based spray(?) I suppose you can wipe if off with alcohol .

May have to adjust your waiting time

good luck.

Dave Martell
10-04-2011, 09:42 PM
Well it seems that I was worried for nothing or maybe it's best said that there can be a problem but it can be avoided. I decided to not only try not to duplicate the problem of the leather curling but to also replicate it to know why it's happening.

I found that if I spritzed the leather from about 12" with a very light single coating at a time the leather will not curl. I've sprayed two different pads with 3 spritz coats (one at a time) each and the leather did not curl while drying.

To replicate the problem I wet one pad until the surface was completely darkened (2 coats at once) and this made the leather curl. I then sprayed one single light coating (the same to which I did on the previous tests that passed) on another pad and then spread (with my finger) the compound all over the surface to make it even in appearance - this also curled the leather.

So it seems that the problem is simply caused by making the leather pad too wet. It appears that a simple light coating left alone will not by itself curl the leather. Normally I wouldn't go for this because I'm concerned that making customers understand this concept is going to be problematic but in this case I find the leather to be worth the time to educate the consumer. I hate to think that we can't use this very good product simply for this reason.

I'm going to go ahead at this time and assemble the kits to ship for all backorders on the books and get them out ASAP. If there's any leftover I'll list them on the site for sale although maybe I should keep a couple on hand for the class on Sat as some of the guys might want them. In any event I'll be ordering more of these immediately so the wait will be minimum.

I have to give a big thank you to all of you who have been waiting so patiently for your backordered kits to become available. I've always said that I have the best customers and it's true.

Dave

Dave Martell
10-10-2011, 03:10 PM
All back orders will ship tomorrow. Sorry again to all of those who have been waiting so long. I hope that in the end the product quality and results you get from stropping will help to make this all feel better. I really do appreciate your willingness to hang on and wait for us, you guys are great. :thumbsup:

PS - Check out this thread (http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php?3148-Stropping-Products-Update-Info) for information on what we found and did with the leather pad situation.

cnochef
10-10-2011, 10:10 PM
All back orders will ship tomorrow. Sorry again to all of those who have been waiting so long. I hope that in the end the product quality and results you get from stropping will help to make this all feel better. I really do appreciate your willingness to hang on and wait for us, you guys are great. :thumbsup:

PS - Check out this thread (http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php?3148-Stropping-Products-Update-Info) for information on what we found and did with the leather pad situation.

Dave, any kits left after shipping to back order customers? It's showing out of stock on your website. Can't wait to get the kit, especially after Saturday's class.

Thanks,
Lyle

Dave Martell
10-10-2011, 10:14 PM
Dave, any kits left after shipping to back order customers? It's showing out of stock on your website. Can't wait to get the kit, especially after Saturday's class.

Thanks,
Lyle


Sorry Lyle the last one just went. :(

BTW, the leather you guys were using was way too dry, wait until you try it next time.

echerub
10-11-2011, 12:53 PM
Lyle, I've got a leather stropping pad here at my workplace that I can lend you until Dave's got the kit back in stock. It'd be really easy for me to swing by and drop it off for you on a lunch break sometime ;)

BTW, big thanks again for the ride to the class and for the 2 books! :)

Dave Martell
10-11-2011, 01:27 PM
Dave, any kits left after shipping to back order customers? It's showing out of stock on your website. Can't wait to get the kit, especially after Saturday's class.

Thanks,
Lyle


Lyle,
If you'd like me to hold one of the incoming kits for you just say the word. :)

cnochef
10-11-2011, 11:12 PM
Lyle,
If you'd like me to hold one of the incoming kits for you just say the word. :)

word! Please save one for me, Dave.

Dave Martell
10-11-2011, 11:24 PM
word! Please save one for me, Dave.

You got it Lyle, thanks.

peterm
10-12-2011, 11:02 PM
Hey Dave, do you have a guess when the kits should be back in stock again? Glad to see you solved the leather problem!
Peter

obtuse
10-12-2011, 11:40 PM
Another backorder sale?

Dave Martell
10-13-2011, 01:08 AM
Hey Dave, do you have a guess when the kits should be back in stock again?

Hi Peter, I'm expecting them in 1-2 weeks.

Dave Martell
10-13-2011, 01:09 AM
Another backorder sale?

Oh man I'm still messed up from the last one. :D

peterm
10-13-2011, 06:25 PM
Thanks Dave! At least it's still before Christmas!