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gyutoguy
07-09-2013, 03:51 PM
CKTG.com has a Moritaka 240mm ayogami super gyuto for ~$200.

This knife caught my eye. I've never owned or used a moritaka. Are they any good?

jaybett
07-09-2013, 04:02 PM
You just tripped the two biggest land mines on the forum. CKTG and Moritika.

The fit and finish on Moritaka, is hit and miss. Probably more miss then hit. They have a tendency to over grind the edge, creating a hole. Often times it can't be seen until the knife has been sharpened a few times.

One of the issues with CKTG, is that the owner and a few of his sycophants, think that the problem with Moritaka was created out by people who are not friendly to him or his site. The over grind has been documented by multiple users, so it is a real problem.

The Moritakas that I own, all have been excellent cutters. They are easy to sharpen and take a very keen edge.

Would I buy another one? Yes. If you have concerns about getting a possible lemon. I'd send it to Dave to have him check the knife out. If its bad send it back.

Jay

mkriggen
07-09-2013, 04:06 PM
Dude, you don't know how complex that question is. To really get the answer your looking for you need to set aside an hour or two, make yourself a drink, and do a site wide search for "Moritaka". Not being sarcastic, there's a lot of info out there, some contridictory, and if you don't checkout all of it you'll only get part of the story. Did this myself not long ago when I was thinking about buying a Moritaka AS kiritsuke/gyuto. I never did make a decission, was saved by a Yoshi on B/S/T. Happy hunting:funfunfunfun:

gyutoguy
07-09-2013, 04:17 PM
Dude, you don't know how complex that question is. To really get the answer your looking for you need to set aside an hour or two, make yourself a drink, and do a site wide search for "Moritaka". Not being sarcastic, there's a lot of info out there, some contridictory, and if you don't checkout all of it you'll only get part of the story. Did this myself not long ago when I was thinking about buying a Moritaka AS kiritsuke/gyuto. I never did make a decission, was saved by a Yoshi on B/S/T. Happy hunting:funfunfunfun:


Hm, thanks for the info. If you wanted a new gyuto for ~$200 for personal home use, what would you get? I currently have a Fujiwara 240mm FKM, and I do enjoy using it. I'm looking for something with a Wa-handle/d/octogonal handle that gets stupid sharp on stones.

gyutoguy
07-09-2013, 04:18 PM
You just tripped the two biggest land mines on the forum. CKTG and Moritika.

The fit and finish on Moritaka, is hit and miss. Probably more miss then hit. They have a tendency to over grind the edge, creating a hole. Often times it can't be seen until the knife has been sharpened a few times.

One of the issues with CKTG, is that the owner and a few of his sycophants, think that the problem with Moritaka was created out by people who are not friendly to him or his site. The over grind has been documented by multiple users, so it is a real problem.

The Moritakas that I own, all have been excellent cutters. They are easy to sharpen and take a very keen edge.

Would I buy another one? Yes. If you have concerns about getting a possible lemon. I'd send it to Dave to have him check the knife out. If its bad send it back.

Jay

Thanks Jay, I kne wabout F&F probelms, didn't know about the grind problems. What would you buy for ~200 in terms of a good gyuto that takes a stupid edge?

mkriggen
07-09-2013, 04:55 PM
Thanks Jay, I kne wabout F&F probelms, didn't know about the grind problems. What would you buy for ~200 in terms of a good gyuto that takes a stupid edge?

This might interest you http://www.ebay.com/itm/Japanese-kitchen-knife-Ginsanko-WA-GYUTOU-240mm-TANAKA-knife-/251300277825?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a82a9ee41#ht_5614wt_960 It sure interests me:D

Read this first to avoid supprises http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/11550-ginsanko-tanakas-on-ebay?highlight=metalmaster

echerub
07-09-2013, 05:01 PM
Mmm... just something to add to this. I love Shigeki Tanaka's and Hideyuki Tanaka's knives in blue steel, but the ginsanko gyuto that I got is not up there for me. The edge was a little wavy, but still very usable, and the steel isn't particularly nice to sharpen.

(Then again, I learned on another ginsanko knife that the Takenoko works wonders, but I didn't put the Tanaka gyuto on the Takenoko - I was too lazy that day to bring out that stone.)

I'd recommend going with one of the blue hagane gyutos rather than the ginsan one.

mkriggen
07-09-2013, 05:03 PM
and these, I haven't tried them but a lot of the members have very good things to say about them http://stores.ebay.com/BluewayJapan/SAKAI-YUSUKE-/_i.html?_fsub=4430447017&_sid=84335187&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

bikehunter
07-09-2013, 05:50 PM
You just tripped the two biggest land mines on the forum. CKTG and Moritika.





Jay

And, by far, the most annoying, for those of us long time members with no dog in this fight.

Timthebeaver
07-09-2013, 05:55 PM
Ignoring the grind issues, the cladding on the Moritaka AS is crazy reactive once the protective lacquer is gone. Rust magnet.

gyutoguy
07-09-2013, 06:09 PM
Mmm... just something to add to this. I love Shigeki Tanaka's and Hideyuki Tanaka's knives in blue steel, but the ginsanko gyuto that I got is not up there for me. The edge was a little wavy, but still very usable, and the steel isn't particularly nice to sharpen.

(Then again, I learned on another ginsanko knife that the Takenoko works wonders, but I didn't put the Tanaka gyuto on the Takenoko - I was too lazy that day to bring out that stone.)

I'd recommend going with one of the blue hagane gyutos rather than the ginsan one.

I couldn't see any gyuto's in blue steel #2 by Tanaka listed. Thanks for the info and links everyone. I'd never considered ebay before!

Timthebeaver
07-09-2013, 06:11 PM
I couldn't see any gyuto's in blue steel #2 by Tanaka listed. Thanks for the info and links everyone. I'd never considered ebay before!

http://www.metalmaster-ww.com/product/33

tripleq
07-09-2013, 06:46 PM
and these, I haven't tried them but a lot of the members have very good things to say about them http://stores.ebay.com/BluewayJapan/SAKAI-YUSUKE-/_i.html?_fsub=4430447017&_sid=84335187&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

The yukes are a very good value. The fit and finish are very nice and the handles are extremely well done. Definitely + 1 on that.

mhlee
07-09-2013, 06:56 PM
I'm looking for something with a Wa-handle/d/octogonal handle that gets stupid sharp on stones.

IMHO, nearly all of the knives recommended here can get pretty darn stupid sharp on stones, but that depends on - more than anything, IMHO - how well you can sharpen (and partially what you're sharpening with). But how good a knife performs, e.g.,easily it cuts, releases food, or can hold an edge, feels, ease of sharpening, feel of sharpening (as mentioned above) etc., these are probably the more critical characteristics you want to consider.

gyutoguy
07-09-2013, 07:57 PM
IMHO, nearly all of the knives recommended here can get pretty darn stupid sharp on stones, but that depends on - more than anything, IMHO - how well you can sharpen (and partially what you're sharpening with). But how good a knife performs, e.g.,easily it cuts, releases food, or can hold an edge, feels, ease of sharpening, feel of sharpening (as mentioned above) etc., these are probably the more critical characteristics you want to consider.

Thanks. So the knives listed, are they performers?

gyutoguy
07-09-2013, 08:00 PM
http://www.metalmaster-ww.com/product/33

That is a beautiful looking knife. Does it perform well?

Timthebeaver
07-09-2013, 08:05 PM
That is a beautiful looking knife. Does it perform well?

see

http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/5178-Tanaka-Damascus-Blue-Steel-240mm-Gyuto

Dave Martell
07-09-2013, 08:15 PM
Buy Moritaka?


https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8Xq-5oGOHOhul2EW_LtPvFEbdxkjTj_ERwN-StNufJt-gl0wR


Flip a coin and take yer chances. :D


I see 7 out of 10 (or worse even) as bad - I refuse to even touch them. That's not bad odds though, eh? You might be one of the lucky 3 out of 10 people who get a decent one. I actually saw a pretty nice Moritaka suji here a couple of weeks ago, sharpened up nice, what a pleasure not to have to break any bad news to the owner like usual.

franzb69
07-09-2013, 09:10 PM
if you really want a moritaka and not worry about the cost then look for one in the BST section and post a want to buy of one that's used for cheap.

=D

ThEoRy
07-09-2013, 09:18 PM
16880

Dave Martell
07-09-2013, 09:21 PM
@Theory :rofl2:

Seb
07-09-2013, 09:25 PM
I have a 260mm custom in Blue #2 with octagonal handle that I have use less than a dozen times that I might be willing to let go but I am in Sydney. Whether there is an issue with the blade or not, I wouldn't know. But I ordered it direct and asked them to take extra, extra care with the blade.

Mainly because I don't need or want such a big knife any more.

shaneg
07-09-2013, 09:42 PM
Could be keen, if he's not, I'm in nz so not too far.
Pm me a price

Seb
07-10-2013, 01:13 AM
Could be keen, if he's not, I'm in nz so not too far.
Pm me a price

Sure let me think it over. We are currently in the mountains on vacation for a few days.