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EdipisReks
10-01-2013, 09:48 PM
Anybody use one of these? (http://www.amazon.com/World-Cuisine-Steel-Baking-Sheet/dp/B001VH70X6). I just bought one, and it's seasoning in my oven, as I type this. I mainly bought it for Sicilian style pizza, and I'm hoping it works well for that (I plan on putting it on top of two standard baking stones, in a 550 oven). Any gotchas or suggestions?

Don Nguyen
10-01-2013, 10:22 PM
I wonder if they have one in white steel?

In all seriousness, 1/16" thickness seems kind of thin. I don't know the thermodynamics of baking a pizza, but it's hard to imagine that it could retain heat as well as a really thick cast iron or brick. Are pizza pans normally that thin?

EdipisReks
10-01-2013, 10:24 PM
the Blue steel part is simply a finish applied. This is thick for a pan of this kind (the Matfer black steel pan is 1/32"). It's typical for the Sicilian pizza style. As said, it will go on very hot stones.

JCHine
10-02-2013, 08:09 AM
My go to sheet is Matfer ( http://www.amazon.com/Matfer-Bourgeat-310101-Baking-Sheets/dp/B008BH46GI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_2 ) , it has good weight and takes a lot of abuse (they live in the ovens) and survive on the oiling that runs under baking parchment. Have even stacked 2 up and used them as a pizza stone with a lighter pan.

Lighter might be to your advantage here; better heat transference from the large heat source (the stone).

Mucho Bocho
10-02-2013, 08:20 AM
jacob, How did you make out with the pan? Curious if the pan changed its shape after putting the cold food on it while in the oven?

EdipisReks
10-02-2013, 11:00 AM
jacob, How did you make out with the pan? Curious if the pan changed its shape after putting the cold food on it while in the oven?

I haven't used it yet, I've only seasoned it so far. I'll probably do a test run on Friday, when my dough is ready. I'll report back!


My go to sheet is Matfer ( http://www.amazon.com/Matfer-Bourgeat-310101-Baking-Sheets/dp/B008BH46GI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_k_2 ) , it has good weight and takes a lot of abuse (they live in the ovens) and survive on the oiling that runs under baking parchment. Have even stacked 2 up and used them as a pizza stone with a lighter pan.

Lighter might be to your advantage here; better heat transference from the large heat source (the stone).

Thanks for the info! Yeah, I had thought about the thickness thing, but if these are made of the same steel that Paderno uses for the carbon French pans, it should heat pretty efficiently, I think.

Mucho Bocho
10-02-2013, 11:34 AM
Jacob, As you know if you want true thin crust pizza cooking surface in a home oven, you've got to crank it (550 on convection) and hold it for at least 20 min. before cooking.

I think your pan is going to warp/twist while in the oven do to the specific differences in the baking stone, metal pan and food to be cooked.

Considering the baking stone and baking pan will cool at different rates, with the steel cooling faster, when you place something cold like a pizza in the pan, its going your going to effect the temperature of the steel pan, which will be at odds with the baking stone. I did horrible in physics, but it has to do with thermal mass and how the mass of an object is changed based on the way it responds to a change in temperature.

Someone with a heavier brain can fill in the details ( Zeiefle). When this happens, the pan will want to change its shape quickly (mass being effected by its relationship to a change in heat. When it first happen to me it scared the **** out of me. You'll hear a jarring pop, that ones intuitively knows something isn't right. HA

I'm curious, maybe your pan is thick enough? The information I provide above is empirical and based on me reproducing this experiment with a seasoned shallow 2.0~2.2mm Carbon De Buyer roasting pan.

EdipisReks
10-02-2013, 11:46 AM
I am not going to use this pan for thin crust pizza (I have a cordierite stone for that, and I plan on getting a steel plate). All the reviews of the pan I read that mentioned warpage said that it didn't twist unless you put frozen food in, which I won't be doing. I make sourdough pizza dough, and it will be brought to room temp before it goes into the oven.

EdipisReks
10-05-2013, 07:40 PM
Made my first pizza in the new pan. Turned out well, but it needed more dough, less sauce, and a little bit more time at 550. The pan twisted when I took the pizza out, but not before, and it went back to shape after cooling for a few minutes. It's quattro formaggi, with arugula, and a basic sauce I make based on Mario Batali's out of Lucky Peach, but with the carrot replaced with radish. Using tomatoes from the garden is great.

http://i.imgur.com/HAH5oQF.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/HAH5oQF.jpg)

Zwiefel
10-05-2013, 08:11 PM
I wouldn't mind a slice at all!



Made my first pizza in the new pan. Turned out well, but it needed more dough, less sauce, and a little bit more time at 550. The pan twisted when I took the pizza out, but not before, and it went back to shape after cooling for a few minutes. It's quattro formaggi, with arugula, and a basic sauce I make based on Mario Batali's out of Lucky Peach, but with the carrot replaced with radish. Using tomatoes from the garden is great.

http://i.imgur.com/HAH5oQF.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/HAH5oQF.jpg)

Mingooch
10-07-2013, 10:09 AM
Wish I was close enough to come over for a slice, that looks great to me.

EdipisReks
10-08-2013, 07:43 PM
Sicilian pizza attempt number 2. This is very close to where I want it. I think attempt number 3, where it will be served along with my standard New York style when a couple friends come over, will be just right. One edge burnt slightly when my oven decided to heat past 600*. It's never done that, so either it loves me, or it will explode.

http://i.imgur.com/iqnOEIB.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Bx8U85f.jpg

Zwiefel
10-08-2013, 11:51 PM
That looks fabulous ER!

EdipisReks
10-09-2013, 12:02 AM
It was pretty tasty. :)

Mucho Bocho
10-09-2013, 08:12 AM
ER how did it taste? The bread looks dense and over cooked. How long was it in the oven? Thanks for posting

EdipisReks
10-09-2013, 08:48 AM
ER how did it taste? The bread looks dense and over cooked. How long was it in the oven? Thanks for posting

On the second pie it was crispy on the outsides and light and fluffy on the insides, exactly as I hoped it would be. It probably looks overlooked because there is cheese on the edges, which considerably browned. Average dough thickness is about a quarter inch, after oven spring, with some large bubbles interspersed. It par-baked with sauce for about 3 minutes, and was in the oven with toppings for about 10. The recipe, from pizza lab, called for 20-25 total, which wasn't necessary at all. It was really good.

The first pie was dense and overcooked, as well as soggy on the bottom, for sure.

Mucho Bocho
10-09-2013, 10:57 AM
Sounds dynamite Jacob. Pictures can be deceiving. You were pretty stingy with the pepperoni thats for sure. HA

I make thus combination that comes from my childhood growing up in Plymouth, MA. The Original Ernies pizza. Chourico sausage, raw green pep, mush, onion w/sharp cheddar and mozzarella.

Also, have you messed with fresh buffalo mortz? What a difference, the only problem is that they contain a lot of water. To combat this I cut up chunks, lay them on a paper towel and seal them under high vac with my chamber vac. I bet a clamp style would work too. You can get those chunks very dry that way.

Anyway, thanks for sharing your experience with that pan, but I aint giving up my carbon steel any time soon.

EdipisReks
10-09-2013, 11:16 AM
This is carbon steel! The cheese I used on both of these pies was about half fresh mozzarella, but just regular stuff from the grocery store. I cut it up into chunks and lay it out on paper towels for a while, too, but with a sheet pan laying on top to gently press out water. I have found that this is adequate for my needs. I'm a believer in less topping is better than more topping, so the second pie has about 2/3 cup of sauce, and a cup and a half or so of shredded fontina, provolone, and the chunked mozz, with asiago on the edges. I used saucison sec for the meat, and it's definitely stingy on a pie this big, but my wife doesn't like a lot of meat on pizza.