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Salty dog
06-16-2011, 08:04 AM
Finally able to take photos. These are two knives from the same batch. Thoughts?

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a442/Saltys_knives/IMG_5017.jpg
http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a442/Saltys_knives/IMG_5016.jpg
http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a442/Saltys_knives/IMG_5014.jpg
http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a442/Saltys_knives/IMG_5013.jpg

Lefty
06-16-2011, 08:05 AM
I think I still want one!

Salty dog
06-16-2011, 08:06 AM
They work really well.

Lefty
06-16-2011, 08:11 AM
Where would you rank them, so far, for gyuto performance?

Salty dog
06-16-2011, 08:26 AM
Murray has the geometry and blade shape down. He grinds like the good Japanese makers and the steel is good. I'd put the better one of the two in my top 5.

The cosmetic thing bugs me because they have so much cosmetic potential.

rockbox
06-16-2011, 08:40 AM
If I ever got one of those, I would take some belts and sandpaper to it and pretty it up. There is no excuse for the finish. Its like dating a supermodel that wears "mom" jeans.

BertMor
06-16-2011, 09:38 AM
I personally like the 'rustic' touches. Thats part of what it makes it a Carter. If you want perfect finishes get a Kramer or a Shigafusa.

Marko Tsourkan
06-16-2011, 09:54 AM
Murray has the geometry and blade shape down. He grinds like the good Japanese makers and the steel is good. I'd put the better one of the two in my top 5.

The cosmetic thing bugs me because they have so much cosmetic potential.

Murray geometry is a shallow convex grind that that starts almost 2/3 from the edge. He forges his stock thin so the resulting knives are thin. The flat spot at the heel is about 1/4 of the length (normally it's 1/3 or more) and the profile gently curves up to the tip. Yes, finish can be better. It looks to me that he stops at 120grit and then either goes over it with a Scotch-Brite belt or buffs it. One or two finer grit belts after 120 would make quite an improvement. I don't think this has to do with a rustic appearance. It's all economics.

Grinding a knife with a similar geometry and profile is not that difficult. Devin's new gyutos feature very similar grind - shallow convex.

M

jackslimpson
06-16-2011, 11:07 AM
What do you think of the choice of White Steel (Hitachi #1?) vs. Aogami Super? How does the handle feel?

Cheers,

Jack

Salty dog
06-16-2011, 11:11 AM
I'm a white one guy. The handles are comfortable despite being octogon. They are also more subtle in real life.

Lefty
06-16-2011, 11:11 AM
White 1 is scary. I just touched a white 1 up and it was almost too easy!

mattrud
06-16-2011, 11:17 AM
I got a suji during the sale and it arrived yesterday. I feel similarly to what marko and salty said. But I have a bit of a issue with the finishing, mine is likely a bit worse than theirs, and I understand Murray is focusing on making functional tools. But... on a price comparison point there are somethings that should be more highly finished

Lefty
06-16-2011, 11:24 AM
I was looking for a suji during the sale, but didn't see one.
Enjoy!

Marko Tsourkan
06-16-2011, 11:39 AM
White 1 is scary. I just touched a white 1 up and it was almost too easy!

See how long that edge will hold. :) Then compare it with 52100 in terms of sharpness and edge retention.

Lefty
06-16-2011, 10:27 PM
This is a bit off topic, but how does O1 compare to white 1 and 52100 (which I need to get my hands on, soon)?

Dave Martell
06-16-2011, 10:41 PM
This is a bit off topic, but how does O1 compare to white 1 and 52100 (which I need to get my hands on, soon)?


O-1 (http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=O1&ni=150&hrn=1&gm=0)

52100 (http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=52100&ni=813&hrn=1&gm=0)

White #1 (http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=White%201&ni=590&hrn=1&gm=0)

Lefty
06-16-2011, 10:55 PM
Thanks Dave :)

Dave Martell
06-16-2011, 10:56 PM
You're welcome :)

mr drinky
06-16-2011, 11:09 PM
I just got my Carter funayuki in a couple of days ago (205mm). Father's Day gift to myself. Today was the first day I had a chance to use it, and it has sort of thrown me a bit. Not only is is shorter, but the handle is so light. Outside of paring knives it is easily my lightest blade (119g). I can't wait to get my Stefan handle on it and balance it out a bit more to my liking. I do like the Hiro-like toothy patina against the laminate though. All it took was one lemon, some capers and a red onion and the patina came in no problem.

k.

RRLOVER
06-17-2011, 06:58 AM
They look pretty nice for 450$,good score Scott. All this carter talk is making me want to use mine:crying::crying:

Marko Tsourkan
06-17-2011, 08:14 AM
They look pretty nice for 450$,good score Scott. All this carter talk is making me want to use mine:crying::crying:

I have to get in a gear then. I need about another week for oven to arrive.

M

Salty dog
06-17-2011, 09:08 AM
True, for the price I got a couple very good workers. Which is what I intended. Just a shame, a little more time and these babies would be stellar.

Marko Tsourkan
06-17-2011, 12:49 PM
True, for the price I got a couple very good workers. Which is what I intended. Just a shame, a little more time and these babies would be stellar.

I refinished a Carter for Rick a while back. Because of the soft cladding, it is that difficult to do even by hand (as I did). Just be careful not to remove too much material so the maker's mark gets washed out.

M

jwpark
06-17-2011, 02:41 PM
Marko, What did you use to refinish the knife? Carter leaves some hammer marks on most knives, so I'm guessing either steel wool or sand paper.

Marko Tsourkan
06-17-2011, 03:14 PM
That was a clad knife, not hammer finish. I think I started with 240 to remove vertical scratches and then applied horizontal to 600 grit.
For a hammer finish, you can still use sandpaper on the bevels (wrapped around blocks of wood) and non-woven abrasives pads or steel wood (never tried steel wool, actually) on the rest.

M

Dave Martell
06-17-2011, 04:50 PM
Carter's knives are tough to finish and make clean which is why I suspect that he doesn't do it himself. :)

Josh
06-17-2011, 09:42 PM
834

here's mine. Shameless first pic of a knife on this forum with Canadian Whiskey plug. I'm a happy camper- its my dad's day gift.

chazmtb
06-17-2011, 09:45 PM
Nice,

Is that a Stefan handle or did it come from Murray?

Josh
06-17-2011, 10:01 PM
its from Murray - its the cktg special.

chazmtb
06-17-2011, 10:22 PM
OK, no wonder I didn't know it existed.

heirkb
06-17-2011, 10:42 PM
Carter's knives are tough to finish and make clean which is why I suspect that he doesn't do it himself. :)

Is that because of the bumps on the blade? There seem to be some bumps/dips in the knives from what I can see, but maybe they're just uneven scratches.

sudsy9977
06-17-2011, 10:47 PM
no they're bumps alright........he forges and it is left uneven....it's also a thin knife....to take out all the uneevenness ....there would be nothin left....ryan

Pensacola Tiger
06-17-2011, 10:50 PM
Here's a handle shot of mine:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Carter%20CKtG%20Gyuto/bb944c6c.jpg

Rick

Dave Martell
06-17-2011, 10:52 PM
Carter's knives are tough to finish and make clean which is why I suspect that he doesn't do it himself. :)


Is that because of the bumps on the blade? There seem to be some bumps/dips in the knives from what I can see, but maybe they're just uneven scratches.


He forges pretty much to shape regarding geometry except he grinds in the bevels. The sides of the blade will have hammer marks from forging which are lows/highs. Instead of grinding this out smooth he polishes (Scothbrite?) in and out of the lows/highs which gives an even(ish) appearance. To grind the hammer marks out is a lot more work for sure but to make the stainless he uses shine is also a chore as well and consider that the stainless cladding is VERY thin and easily ground through. Then you look at the bevel grinds which I think are created from the rough water wheel and this will present a challenge to bring to a uniform finish. Overall it's a lot more work to make them shine pretty.

Lefty
06-18-2011, 06:37 AM
I think Murray likes his "wabi sabi" that we discussed in another thread!
"Rough water wheel", "uneven hammer marks" and "thin". Not that i'm overly concerned, but have you ever seen "the issue" that a certain rustic maker sometimes has, on a Carter?
I'm going to guess not, but you just hit all the same key words.

Dave Martell
06-18-2011, 09:57 AM
I think Murray likes his "wabi sabi" that we discussed in another thread!
"Rough water wheel", "uneven hammer marks" and "thin". Not that i'm overly concerned, but have you ever seen "the issue" that a certain rustic maker sometimes has, on a Carter?
I'm going to guess not, but you just hit all the same key words.


I've never seen an overgrind or hammer mark issue (at the edge) on any Carter that I can recall.

Lefty
06-18-2011, 10:23 AM
I had a feeling! :D