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Dave Martell
02-04-2014, 01:53 PM
King 800x (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/King-sharpening-stone-800x-p/king800.htm)

This is the stone that I use as my base for creating a kasumi (mist) finish. This stone gets used on nearly 100% of all wide bevel Japanese clad knives that I sharpen professionally.

This stone produces a matte finish. For rustic kurouchi finished knives this is often the finish level I leave,. For yanagis and other refined finished knives I will follow this stone with either natural stones and/or finger stones.

There is no one answer as to what stones should be used to create that kasumi finish for every knife but you can count on the King 800x to give you a smooth contrasting appearance every time.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/dmart/King800_zps6fe69e5c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/dmart/BeforeandAfter_zps2b54a99c.jpg (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/King-sharpening-stone-800x-p/king800.htm)

Dave Martell
02-04-2014, 01:59 PM
Here's a quick comparison of what a King 800x can give to a Moritaka. Both knives were new, the top knife is untouched, the bottom knife has been run across a King 800x.

*Yes the bevel is uneven and not filled in, it needs flattening, but it's the contrast that I'm trying to show here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/dmart/MoritakaKing800x_zps505517d6.jpg (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/King-sharpening-stone-800x-p/king800.htm)

Bill13
02-04-2014, 03:37 PM
A perfect example of a picture, or 2, is worth a thousand words.

knyfeknerd
02-04-2014, 03:47 PM
I would also like to add that this stone is one of my faves, cuts better than the King 1000 or 1200. I haven't tried it yet for coloring bevels, but it is a mainstay in all my progressions. Really great especially for the money.

erikz
02-04-2014, 04:00 PM
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills Dave!

brainsausage
02-04-2014, 05:47 PM
Is there a wide variation on package design and stone markings for these? I just poked around the bay, and have many that say deluxe but look much different than this in regards to markings/box design. NOS?

Dave Martell
02-04-2014, 06:13 PM
King changes their packaging often enough that I've seen a few in the time I've been in the game.

Look for the size when comparing.

brainsausage
02-04-2014, 08:51 PM
King changes their packaging often enough that I've seen a few in the time I've been in the game.

Look for the size when comparing.

Gottit, thanks Dave.

Mucho Bocho
02-04-2014, 09:13 PM
Dave I though you gave up sharpening Moritakas?. Seems ironic using them as a example


Here's a quick comparison of what a King 800x can give to a Moritaka. Both knives were new, the top knife is untouched, the bottom knife has been run across a King 800x.

*Yes the bevel is uneven and not filled in, it needs flattening, but it's the contrast that I'm trying to show here.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/dmart/MoritakaKing800x_zps505517d6.jpg (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/King-sharpening-stone-800x-p/king800.htm)

Dave Martell
02-04-2014, 09:22 PM
Dave I though you gave up sharpening Moritakas?. Seems ironic using them as a example


I sharpen them all of the time. Well to be more precise, I inspect them closely and sharpen only the ones that aren't dicked up which is only 3 out of 10. I do see the irony though. :)

Brad Gibson
02-05-2014, 03:03 AM
i love my king 800 stone.

ramenlegend
02-07-2014, 12:38 AM
I think one of my buddies has a broken king 800, would there be any success in trying to make and use finger stones out of it?

EdipisReks
02-07-2014, 12:43 AM
I think one of my buddies has a broken king 800, would there be any success in trying to make and use finger stones out of it?

I've used bits and pieces from a King 800 that I dropped. It doesn't work great for fingerstones, in my experience.

Dave Martell
02-07-2014, 12:46 AM
Yeah I agree with Jacob, I've had mixed luck with this.

Sambal
02-07-2014, 04:31 AM
There's a King Neo 800 that Tools from Japan sells. Is this a different stone altogether? The description says "more of a ceramic stone".

Who else sells King stones?

Dave Martell
02-07-2014, 10:26 AM
There's a King Neo 800 that Tools from Japan sells. Is this a different stone altogether? The description says "more of a ceramic stone".

Who else sells King stones?



The King Neo 800x stone was designed to sharpen, and is marketed for, stainless specifically. It's supposed to be a splash 'n go stone - doesn't soak up water.

Dave Martell
02-07-2014, 10:27 AM
Who else sells King stones?


Try Google?

erikz
02-07-2014, 10:57 AM
Who else sells King stones?
Dave's price is pretty much as low a price as you can get them anywere.

daveb
02-07-2014, 11:22 AM
Dave would certainly be vendor of choice for those in the states. And this is his sub-forum. Kind of tacky to be looking for shopping advice here.

Chef Niloc
02-07-2014, 12:16 PM
Not only a great stone but the Fact that it comes in the big block version is a huge plus (pun intended), it's a great stone to work with. I would say it would be my "if you could only have one stone" stone

brainsausage
02-07-2014, 12:26 PM
Sorry Dave, it didn't occur to me until after I'd posted my above question, and then googled it and Dave popped up, I then felt like an idiot... I rarely look to see what forum the what's new posts are emanating from, lesson learned. My bad. (It also isn't firmly planted in my head that Dave sells stones)

ThEoRy
02-07-2014, 01:20 PM
Wish you had the xl size stone. I do have the regular size one and it works well for that kasumi finish but I don't like it so much for sharpening. Bester 1200 cuts fast enough to render this stone useless in that regard. I felt the king 1200 was a better cutter than the 800 for sharpening as well. For single bevel sharpening though, this stone will always hold a place in my lineup. Right before the Gesshin Jinzo Aoto. Perfect combination.

Sambal
02-08-2014, 01:16 AM
Dave would certainly be vendor of choice for those in the states. And this is his sub-forum. Kind of tacky to be looking for shopping advice here.


The postage from the US to Oz is so expensive that I don't usually buy from US vendors so I'd forgotten that Dave sells stones. Given the circumstance your judgement is unnecessarily harsh.

EdipisReks
02-08-2014, 03:25 AM
The postage from the US to Oz is so expensive that I don't usually buy from US vendors so I'd forgotten that Dave sells stones. Given the circumstance your judgement is unnecessarily harsh.

Might help if you had your location information filled out.

Sambal
02-08-2014, 03:43 AM
Yeah, point taken. Just done so. Thanks ER.