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PierreRodrigue
04-21-2014, 07:36 PM
Hi everybody.

First Tom and I would like to say thank you for everyone who has had input on this project, from a simple "I'm in" all the way up to the testers who graciously took their time to comment and make this a better knife.

Tom asked me if I could write this thread... He seems to be busy being a new daddy, and posing for pictures! :D So I will summarize as best I can, and tidy things up, so we can move into the next stage.

The test knife has been lost... It never returned from the final tester, but there is a last hope, and steps are being taken, and hopefully get it back home for its final evaluation by me. To see how it has held up, patina'ed etc... That is the most disapointing part of the process to date. That and the time involved to test.

SO the knife...

Here are the specs on my rendition...

55 ish mm high at the heel

250mm cutting edge

3 mm spine at the bolster

1.75mm mid spine

.8mm 1 inch from the tip, give or take of course...

Tom and I are discussing different handle materials.

Here it is with some use so you can see the patina.
http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Rodrigue-Lamson%20O1%20prototype%20gyuto/file_zpsf5137132.jpg

So I will be raising the heel a little from the original profile, lowering the tip a tad. The edge profile will stay very close to the test piece.

Our concerns. Handle materials. Is it a deal breaker, if there is a little movement in the wood. Cocobolo is fairly stable, but it isn't stabilized, it can move a tad. Another option could be Pakawood (Dymondwood) Or a new synthetic, paperstone. There is a little time to decide.


What we need to do is, figure out again, who is in and if for more than one knife. We need a piece count to present to Lamson so we can secure pricing. Before we commit, we will be looking for a deposit from each of you who are in.

What I want from each of you who are in, is a simple sentence, stating number, and preference for handle.
For Example: "I'm in for one, as is." Or "I'm in for two, but I would prefer Pakawood" Also if the handle ends up being something other than your choice will you be ok with it? So "I'm in for one, handle doesn't matter"



We know you are all getting tired of this, but some things we couldn't let go, and want to get right. This WILL NOT BE A REDESIGN! Just a few tweaks.
Thanks again for your time.

Pierre

wellminded1
04-21-2014, 07:49 PM
In for 2 , whatever handle.

Pensacola Tiger
04-21-2014, 07:52 PM
Pierre, as I recall, the target price was to be $200. I know that the final price will depend on how many are in the production run, but is there a window that you can give us so people can make a decision?

Regardless, "I'm in for one, handle doesn't matter".

Rick

Von blewitt
04-21-2014, 07:57 PM
In for one. I'd prefer cocobolo, but I'm fine with whatever material is decided upon

PierreRodrigue
04-21-2014, 07:58 PM
Rick, $200 is still the target. Could be $225 but not likely.

daveb
04-21-2014, 08:08 PM
I'm in for one. Preference for "wood" wood. Final choice not a deal breaker.

rami_m
04-21-2014, 08:14 PM
For someone who joined the party late what the steel?

Bef
04-21-2014, 08:20 PM
Hi Pierre,

I would be in if it would ship before Christmas. Can you let me know if this could be done?

Regards,

Bef

Dardeau
04-21-2014, 08:20 PM
In for one, any material. Thanks for making this happen!

PierreRodrigue
04-21-2014, 08:23 PM
The steel is a special smelt O1 we will be using, and chemically speaking, it will sit squarely between white 1, and blue 2. It is a very clean smelt, and will produce an excellent carbon steel knife.

ThEoRy
04-21-2014, 08:26 PM
In for 1. Handle doesn't matter. I may rehandle in the future.

JHunter
04-21-2014, 08:28 PM
I'm in for one handle doesnt matter

turbochef422
04-21-2014, 08:38 PM
In for one any handle

bjhnnyb
04-21-2014, 08:53 PM
I'm in for 1. Handle doesn't matter.

pleue
04-21-2014, 09:06 PM
in for one, prefer wood.

jer
04-21-2014, 09:10 PM
In for one. Fine with any handle material but would prefer cocobolo. Thanks for pushing on with this and sorry to hear that the proto still has not been returned. Hopefully it will make it home eventually.

PushCut
04-21-2014, 09:32 PM
In for one regardless of handle material although I do prefer wood. I am excited this project is being revived.

CanadianMan
04-21-2014, 09:49 PM
In for 1, I would prefer the original handle.

ecchef
04-21-2014, 11:39 PM
I would do one, but only in cocobolo of the three choices given. Just wondering why micarta wasn't an option.

PierreRodrigue
04-22-2014, 12:04 AM
Paper micarta could be an option. It would be bolsterless then.

jigert
04-22-2014, 12:40 AM
I'm still in for one.

Von blewitt
04-22-2014, 01:33 AM
I wasn't going to chime in with this, because I thought that the handle structure had been locked in, but personally I think the 3 pins with a ferrule/bolster is a bit off balance aesthetically. I'd vote no bolster 3 pins regardless of material

apicius9
04-22-2014, 01:41 AM
Is there a 'no handle' option? :) I would take one, flexible about the handle but some wood or no handle would be my personal preferences. I actually care more about the pins, don't like 'golden' brass pins and would prefer nickel silver. But again, not that important.

Stefan

gic
04-22-2014, 03:02 AM
In for 2, like cocobolo but can live with other handle materials...

dharperino
04-22-2014, 03:08 AM
I'm in for one, handle doesn't matter.

theo59
04-22-2014, 03:29 AM
I'm in for one, handle up to you.

77kath
04-22-2014, 06:37 AM
I'm in for one, handle doesn't matter.

ecchef
04-22-2014, 07:05 AM
I wasn't going to chime in with this, because I thought that the handle structure had been locked in, but personally I think the 3 pins with a ferrule/bolster is a bit off balance aesthetically. I'd vote no bolster 3 pins regardless of material

I agree with Huw about the balance. So is the bolster going to be the black synthetic or something else?

rami_m
04-22-2014, 07:20 AM
In for 1.

Brad Gibson
04-22-2014, 07:33 AM
id like one in carbon fiber handle work if possible. I want this to be my jedi blade!

apicius9
04-22-2014, 07:43 AM
id like one in carbon fiber handle work if possible. I want this to be my jedi blade!

i think there is some glow-in-the-dark handle material out there... ;)

Stefan

Brad Gibson
04-22-2014, 07:48 AM
are you kidding stefan? if not then I am into that over any and all! after hello kitty i have no doubt in the true handle master!

bear1889
04-22-2014, 08:54 AM
In for one.

Lefty
04-22-2014, 08:58 AM
Oh man.

Just to be clear, this will be many of the exact same knife. Handle included. So, unfortunately for some, you will get a handle material that wouldn't have been your first choice, possibly. However, we'll be going with what we feel works well with the feel of the whole piece in mind.

As for the bolster material, this is one area that Pierre and I have discussed at length. :)

Brad Gibson
04-22-2014, 09:01 AM
Will any of the handles be wa?

toddnmd
04-22-2014, 09:36 AM
I'm in for one.

I'd prefer an all cocobolo handle. If we are talking about a simple design, I don't see the need for a ferrule--which would probably reduce the cost and/or production time (and agree that a contrasting ferrule and three pins doesn't have the most pleasing look). If you decide to go with something more stable, I'm okay with that.

If I really like the knife, it will likely be getting a new handle.

PierreRodrigue
04-22-2014, 10:36 AM
A bolsterless handle may be the simplest solution. Tom and I will chat.

erikz
04-22-2014, 10:36 AM
Is there going to be a Wa version, or only a western style handle option?

tagheuer
04-22-2014, 10:58 AM
I'm in for one, preferably with cocobolo wood for handle.

Thanks.

Lefty
04-22-2014, 11:02 AM
I don't mind the bolsterless idea at all for a throwback design. It could look really clean, if done right. I was against it at the start, but after refurbishing more and more vintage pieces, I've grown to really like the simplicity of them. Butch often goes bolsterless with beautiful results, so we know it works in a modern knife. I'm all for it.

banjo1071
04-22-2014, 11:06 AM
I am in for one, would prefer wood, but would not mind other material

pleue
04-22-2014, 02:13 PM
bolsterless would look nice but it might start to migrate toward HHH lamson territory asthetically? food for thought.

Lefty
04-22-2014, 02:32 PM
Yeah....

pleue
04-22-2014, 02:58 PM
Not meant to stir the pot or anything malicious

erikz
04-22-2014, 03:06 PM
Does this design tend towards a work horse style blade or more to a laser like blade?

ThEoRy
04-22-2014, 03:48 PM
Does this design tend towards a work horse style blade or more to a laser like blade?

It cuts through shoes. On the floor.

cheft98
04-22-2014, 04:19 PM
I'm in for one and handle doesn't matter.

erikz
04-22-2014, 04:37 PM
It cuts through shoes. On the floor.
Sounds good :)

PierreRodrigue
04-22-2014, 05:14 PM
Sounds good :)
ThEoRy was a tester, one of the staff in his kitchen decided to trim some rubber of his shoe, when the knife was left out of hand momentarily. I believe Rick sorted him out! ;)

It is designed to be A workhorse. No bells and whistles. But it will look good anyways!

cclin
04-22-2014, 05:50 PM
In for one on any handle!
or could we opt for no handle with a discount price?

ThEoRy
04-22-2014, 07:06 PM
ThEoRy was a tester, one of the staff in his kitchen decided to trim some rubber of his shoe, when the knife was left out of hand momentarily. I believe Rick sorted him out! ;)

It is designed to be A workhorse. No bells and whistles. But it will look good anyways!

The guy was a bartender and really just didn't know any better. After I let him have it, later on I found out he was a pro bodybuilder. Dude was like a solid brick house. Oops lol.

jared08
04-22-2014, 07:09 PM
I'm in for a a knife with a handle. Is there a rough eta on these? Couple months? Another year?

Dusty
04-22-2014, 08:07 PM
I'm in for one. I would prefer bosterless wooden handle, but its not a dealbreaker.

Steel in Texas
04-22-2014, 08:23 PM
Count me in.

Preference for a cocobolo handle, no bolster, 3 nickel silver pins. Similar to my Harner.

Also count me in for another one if you ever make a run in AEB-L.

MikeHL
04-22-2014, 09:34 PM
In for one, Handle doesn't matter

Paradox
04-23-2014, 12:34 AM
I'm in for one. I'd prefer the cocobolo but will take what gets made regardless. :)

ecchef
04-23-2014, 01:29 AM
The guy was a bartender and really just didn't know any better. After I let him have it, later on I found out he was a pro bodybuilder. Dude was like a solid brick house. Oops lol.

And about as intelligent.

Chefu
04-23-2014, 04:56 AM
I'm in for one, wood preference, nickel pins preferred over brass

scully001
04-23-2014, 08:32 AM
In for one with "wood" handle. :-) Bolsterless if I can choose.

Looks great!

MowgFace
04-23-2014, 10:45 AM
Gotta get in on this, In for one! Any handle!

brianlsx
04-23-2014, 01:29 PM
I'm on for one! Wood handle pls though. Thks!

PierreRodrigue
04-23-2014, 02:05 PM
40 so far

skiajl6297
04-23-2014, 02:53 PM
Count me in - open to whatever consensus is on handle.

RobinW
04-23-2014, 04:14 PM
I'm in for 1, still

Colorado_cutter
04-23-2014, 04:56 PM
Count me in for one. Handle isn't hugely important... I like wood, but it is very dry here in Colorado, so wood tends to shrink and change even when you care for it well...

tomsch
04-23-2014, 08:34 PM
Cash in hand when you are ready :-)

Framingchisel
04-23-2014, 09:56 PM
I am in for one in Montreal.

Rsumner12
04-24-2014, 03:38 AM
I'm in for one, handle doesn't matter

rdmalak
04-24-2014, 09:55 AM
I'm in for one please. Handle doesn't matter to me.

DitmasPork
04-24-2014, 02:03 PM
Will there eventually be a link to sign up for one?

PierreRodrigue
04-24-2014, 02:30 PM
It will all be done here.

The JL
04-25-2014, 10:57 PM
2 Please. Wood handle per prototype preferred, but am open to other options/colors as they are firmed up.

JL

Zerob
04-26-2014, 02:12 PM
In for one. Prefer wood handle.

larrybard
04-26-2014, 10:06 PM
In for one, please

Guss2
04-26-2014, 11:05 PM
I'm in for one!

rsacco
04-27-2014, 12:47 PM
I'm in for one, handle doesn't matter!

cruelraoul
04-30-2014, 12:18 PM
I am brand new to the forum, but I would like to get in for 1 as well. No handle preference. This is going to be sweet!

wellminded1
05-03-2014, 04:50 PM
Can I change my order from 2 to 3, for co workers of mine.

PushCut
05-04-2014, 07:46 PM
Bump.

rodneyat
05-05-2014, 08:54 AM
I'm in for one

berko
05-06-2014, 07:33 AM
will the makers mark be etched or stamped?

Dardeau
05-06-2014, 09:25 AM
Pierre has a team of beavers that will engrave them with their teeth.

Steel in Texas
05-06-2014, 04:26 PM
Will the prototype testers feedback ever be shared with the rest of us?:eyebrow:
I understood that these reports were held back originally to solicit the most unbiased feedback from the 6 testers.:
"We are planning to make public all comments after the testers have had a chance to put their thoughts together. This way the next testers opinions aren't biased."

Once the testing reports started coming in the process seemed to get a little blurry...

"this has stalled because I'm not attaching my name to something that I'm not proud of. The comments have been really solid, all around, but not good enough for me. I'm a demanding SOB, and until this is what I want it to be, it's not happening."

So what are these comments, solid or otherwise?
If these have already been shared within one of these ginormous threads can someone please point me in the general direction.

It would be good to have all the information that members have submitted. As it is now, one has to read between the lines to get some sort of sense of how the testers felt the knife performed. I see in this thread that at least two of the six testers found the knife to be worthy enough to actually commit to buying one. Is this a cause for concern or cause for buying multiples?

29palms
05-06-2014, 08:45 PM
I'm down for one so count me in. No handle preference for me as Pierre has excellent taste. Is there a deposit required, or just a hand shake and an IOU?

easy13
05-06-2014, 08:57 PM
I'm in for 1, would prefer Cocobolo, but trust you if different

PushCut
05-06-2014, 08:59 PM
IIRC we will be required to send a deposit to reserve our knives at some point in the future -probably before Pierre and Lefty place a firm work order with Lamsom to produce the knives.

Mute-on
05-07-2014, 03:08 AM
I'm definitely in for one.

Would prefer wood handle and nickel pins, but the profile looks so freakin hot I don't care :)

Cheers

J

Lefty
05-07-2014, 01:48 PM
The reviews were not made public mostly so we could get feedback that had not been inadvertently swayed one way or the other. I will try to get something up for you guys soon. As always, thanks for your interest, everyone.

batagor
06-01-2014, 09:50 AM
is it too late to sign up for one?

theo59
06-02-2014, 03:42 AM
not much movement on this for about a month, just wondering how things are progressing ?

Ruso
06-10-2014, 09:30 AM
I was wondering the same, is it too late to join the group buy? I would go for 1 if price is kept around $220

Pcol2000
06-17-2014, 10:28 PM
If it's not too late, I'd like to get one as well.

icanhaschzbrgr
06-18-2014, 12:56 PM
it's still too early

PierreRodrigue
06-18-2014, 08:05 PM
Tom and I are still pushing ahead, ran into a little hiccup, but not a deal breaker. It is still not to late to express interest.

batagor
06-18-2014, 09:54 PM
Glad to hear that Pierre, I hope everything works out!!!
I am really interested in one with cocobolo if possible.

Mrmnms
06-19-2014, 08:56 AM
In for one

icanhaschzbrgr
06-19-2014, 09:43 AM
Please excuse my previous comment. I mixed it with another collab by Tom & Harner (http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/15150-Possible-Harner-Collab-Part-Three) that seems to take ages.

My bad :notworthy:

DitmasPork
07-03-2014, 10:26 PM
I'm in for 1.

Pdksays
07-07-2014, 10:13 PM
I'm in.

KCMande
07-08-2014, 12:05 AM
I'm still interested.

Pdksays
07-08-2014, 01:18 AM
For one knife with no handle preference.

tomsch
07-10-2014, 04:01 PM
Still in for one.