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SpikeC
07-04-2011, 11:11 PM
Angler fish. Yuck! What a gross exhibit! Looks like a monk fish, all slimy and creepy, the challenger started cutting it up with a honesuki looking knife, Michiba with a big deba.

Seb
07-04-2011, 11:24 PM
That was the first episode I ever saw and I was hooked after that. Last Sunday was a rerun of Yogurt Battle where the Challenger forced Chen Kenichi to cook Chinese food with yogurt LOL it was fascinating... and Chen won!! Bam!

Andrew H
07-04-2011, 11:36 PM
where the Challenger forced Chen Kenichi to cook Chinese food with yogurt LOL
Now that's just cruel.

Seb
07-04-2011, 11:58 PM
Now that's just cruel.

Cruel... and funny!

Think hot and sour shark's fin soup dressed with yogurt, or crab croquettes with creamy yogurty filling lol.

BertMor
07-05-2011, 08:01 AM
Angler fish. Yuck! What a gross exhibit! Looks like a monk fish, all slimy and creepy, the challenger started cutting it up with a honesuki looking knife, Michiba with a big deba.

Angler fish IS monk fish, just a different name for it. comes from the little lure on top of its head

MadMel
07-05-2011, 08:30 AM
I think that it's THE programme that made me wanna be a chef lol.

Tristan
07-05-2011, 12:29 PM
Oh barf. Monkfish is angler fish? Argh, why do they keep dressing up names of fishes? Geez. It should be called "friggin-scary-g'ddamn-thing-with-teeth-going-in-all-directions-and-a-twitchy-fleshy-ambulatory-growth-on-its-head-fish"

I'm gonna go eat some beef now.

Ichi
07-05-2011, 03:40 PM
@ Tristan :lol2:
If you missed any episodes might find them (here) (http://filehouse.ironcheffans.info/index.php?act=category&id=1) :thumbsup2:

Seb
07-05-2011, 10:48 PM
Monkfish fish head curry... now THAT'S what I'd like to see!!!

JohnnyChance
07-05-2011, 11:07 PM
Giant Eel is on Cooking Channel right now. Morimoto vs. Handa.

Morimoto just hammered his eel spike into his cutting board with the spine of his Nenox suji.

Seb
07-05-2011, 11:15 PM
Oh, I'm sure Nenohi will send him a new one right away!

AnxiousCowboy
07-06-2011, 12:30 AM
@ Tristan :lol2:
If you missed any episodes might find them (here) (http://filehouse.ironcheffans.info/index.php?act=category&id=1) :thumbsup2:
Thanks! This show is very nostalgic for me.

mr drinky
07-06-2011, 12:38 AM
Thanks for the link Ichi. I can't get the Japanese Iron Chef where I am.

k.

Lefty
07-06-2011, 09:55 AM
Giant Eel is on Cooking Channel right now. Morimoto vs. Handa.

Morimoto just hammered his eel spike into his cutting board with the spine of his Nenox suji.

I just watched that last night! I forgot how great the old ones are.
I was watching IC America recently and noticed that Michael Symon actually uses good knives and seems to know how to swing them! His sashimi game is a bit weak, but I don't think it's the easiest thing to cut with a 240 Nenox ironwood gyuto. ;)

Citizen Snips
07-06-2011, 10:32 AM
Angler fish IS monk fish, just a different name for it. comes from the little lure on top of its head

actually you have it reversed. Monkfish is a type of angler fish. there are many different kinds of angler fish that are classified from the lure on the top of the head and monkfish is a particular species.

most of the time when they are fished, they just hack the head off and throw it back in the water saving the tail as that is about all that people want to eat in america. i managed to get one whole a few weeks back and let me tell you, they are dangerous looking and ugly as sin. they have like 3 rows of teeth and pointy things everywhere. i took a few pics, sorry about the quality.

http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/smoovismcgee/Food/IMG_20110525_111606.jpg
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/smoovismcgee/Food/IMG_20110525_111715.jpg
http://i993.photobucket.com/albums/af60/smoovismcgee/Food/IMG_20110525_111724.jpg

Seb
07-06-2011, 10:40 AM
Like I said, Fish Head Curry!

Lefty
07-06-2011, 10:52 AM
I now officially hate monkfish!

Ichi
07-06-2011, 01:08 PM
I now officially hate monkfish!

Oh c`mon Lefty , turn your head sideways while looking at the pics. How can you hate a cute little thing like that? :ovg:

Pensacola Tiger
07-06-2011, 01:15 PM
I now officially hate monkfish!

Hate to look at them, but love to eat them!

SpikeC
07-06-2011, 01:17 PM
It makes sense that the monk is a version of the angler, as the angler in the referenced episode did not quite look like the monks that I have seen. Very similar, butt different. In the program they said that 2/3 of the cost of the fish was for the liver.

Lefty
07-06-2011, 03:23 PM
Ok, I actually do like it. I hate to say it, but...ahem...Gordon Ramsay does one hell of a spiced monkfish. I'll go on record as saying I thnk the guy is legit. There...I said it!

Andrew H
07-06-2011, 03:28 PM
He does have, what, 10-12 Michelin stars?

Lefty
07-06-2011, 03:56 PM
I heard they're going to change the name to "Gordon's". ;)

Ichi
07-06-2011, 05:38 PM
Ok, I actually do like it. I hate to say it, but...ahem...Gordon Ramsay does one hell of a spiced monkfish. I'll go on record as saying I thnk the guy is legit. There...I said it!

:razz::lol2:

UglyJoe
07-06-2011, 07:58 PM
Yeah he's legit. You don't earn all those stars for nothing.

Lefty
07-06-2011, 08:23 PM
Now that makes me wonder, do any guys we know here have a Michelin Star? That would be cool.
Not that you aren't good if you don't have one, but it would still be cool.

UglyJoe
07-06-2011, 10:11 PM
Doesn't Colin (Chef Niloc) have a Michelin star?

Seb
07-06-2011, 10:13 PM
They call it monkfish because it looks like it's wearing a cowl (so they say); from the marketing perspective, most people know that anglerfish look gross so monkfish was adopted as a euphemism/marketing ploy. Conjures up nicer images than an angler in the mind's eyes of people who read it on a menu.

Lefty
07-06-2011, 10:15 PM
...at Michelin starred restaurants.

spinblue
07-07-2011, 06:21 AM
I thought monkfish was on the endangered/sustainable list and it should be avoided.

With that said, we haven't had it in a long while but the local market sells it once in a while.

MadMel
07-07-2011, 08:45 AM
Like I said, Fish Head Curry!

I'd make it for you come Jan if you want LOL!!!

Tristan
07-08-2011, 01:00 PM
Hello people, fish head curry they actually EAT the HEAD. Did you NOT see the PHOTOS???

This is prime fear factor scale stuff guys.

Yeah, marketing works wonders. How many 'species' of snappers are there for example?

bprescot
07-08-2011, 01:16 PM
Haha. Good point. As far as I know, there are about a half-dozen or so rockfish and another half-dozen plus snappers that are all called "Red Snapper" here in the US. But the Snapper in those episodes is probably "madai", a different GENUS altogether that is likely NEVER found in your local US supermarket.

Sustainable Sushi and Monterey Bay Aquarium both give a great rundown.

bprescot
07-08-2011, 01:18 PM
Here's the sustainable sushi link for those interested: http://www.sustainablesushi.net/the-fish/tai/

JohnnyChance
07-08-2011, 01:19 PM
Patagonian Toothfish? That doesn't sound very appetizing. How about we all call it Chilean Seabass and sell it for $18/lb? Sounds like a plan!

bprescot
07-08-2011, 01:26 PM
Oh, and for those in NYC, madai is part of the reason you need to order two days in advance for Aburiya Kinnosuke's big prix fix ... they fly in the madai from Tsukiji. The first time they used it for sashimi and tai meshi, and the other for some steamed dish that was just amazing.

SpikeC
07-08-2011, 02:16 PM
Last night on ICJ they did battle carp. One dish was steamed fins, they sucked the stuff from between the ribs, and another dish was fried scales.
I don't think that they are the same carp that we have here..................

Lefty
07-08-2011, 03:59 PM
I've been lead to believe that carp survive mostly off of pennies and innertubes. No thanks!

SpikeC
07-08-2011, 04:38 PM
These carp are found in the purest water lake in the universe. They are called the Snapper of the whateverthelakewascalled lake. Some have white flesh, and some Funny thing about the show, though, was that they did not show anyone actually eating the scales that were prepared.

Noodle Soup
07-08-2011, 04:53 PM
I don't know about Japan but when I was in China a few months ago, carp of several species were the most common fish in the markets. Catfish came next.

We bought a live grass carp in one of the classes I took, killed, cleaned and steamed him with ginger, garlic etc. Fairly mild white flesh. Not bad but not real memorable either.

bishamon
07-08-2011, 06:48 PM
Battle bird's nest was good. Pretty pointless/impossibly expensive ingredient.

Seb
07-08-2011, 07:37 PM
Hello people, fish head curry they actually EAT the HEAD. Did you NOT see the PHOTOS???

Precisely, hahaha... that's why we are going to gather at Mel's place for angler fish head curry. Who's going to fight me for the eyes?? Just imagine how much meat you could dig out of the cheek and the back of the head?

echerub
07-09-2011, 12:08 AM
There's a lot of good, smooth meat in and around the fish head - and very few people will fight you for it :)

Seb
07-09-2011, 12:40 AM
I have mates who will pull a steamed groper's head apart into it's component pieces and suck the slime and ooze off the bones, jaw, lips and fins and suck on the eyes like jujubes... I would be fascinated to watch them at work on a monk/angler head... probably take all freakin' day!! ROFL!

MadMel
07-09-2011, 03:50 AM
I wouldn't mind trying an angler fish head lol.. haven't seen one sold with the head on in Singapore... Yet...

apicius9
07-09-2011, 03:56 AM
Monk fish cheeks are delicious! Not sure I could handle the eye balls...

Stefan

Seb
07-09-2011, 04:10 AM
I wouldn't mind trying an angler fish head lol.. haven't seen one sold with the head on in Singapore... Yet...

Someone needs to tell Muthu's and Samy's to get their act together!

Tristan
07-09-2011, 06:14 AM
Patagonian Toothfish? That doesn't sound very appetizing. How about we all call it Chilean Seabass and sell it for $18/lb? Sounds like a plan!

Pantagonia is on the atlantic side right?

So "Atlantic Ivory" might do the trick. It doesn't look half like seabass, and if it was meant for sushi, Ivory can refer to its toothfish origins as well as its smoothness on the palatte.

Tristan
07-09-2011, 06:54 AM
Actually Singapore sells Stonefish, which is decidedly uglier than monkfish, and is toxic to boot. So you can try that one and tell me. I'll stick to "snapper" thanks.

DrNaka
07-09-2011, 07:22 AM
It makes sense that the monk is a version of the angler, as the angler in the referenced episode did not quite look like the monks that I have seen. Very similar, butt different. In the program they said that 2/3 of the cost of the fish was for the liver.

The monk fish Japanese eat is Lophius litulon.

Do you not have the monk fish or Ankou (Japanese) liver in restaurants?

It is comparable to foie gras.

Here some pictures:
http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E3%82%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B3%E3%82%A6%E3%8 0%80%E8%82%9D&hl=ja&client=firefox-a&hs=ZvB&rls=org.mozilla:ja:official&prmd=ivnse&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=jjoYTrbsH474mAWDmYH7Dw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CBcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1216&bih=632#hl=ja&client=firefox-a&hs=zaW&rls=org.mozilla:ja:official&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lToYTpH9G4ehmQXI7Jn2Dw&ved=0CDEQBSgA&q=%E3%81%82%E3%82%93%E3%81%93%E3%81%86%E8%82%9D&spell=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=f8bf1933fb6a0890&biw=1216&bih=632

Seb
07-09-2011, 07:51 AM
Actually Singapore sells Stonefish, which is decidedly uglier than monkfish, and is toxic to boot. So you can try that one and tell me. I'll stick to "snapper" thanks.

Aw, it's only toxic if you step on it while not wearing shoes!

MadMel
07-09-2011, 10:48 PM
Aw, it's only toxic if you step on it while not wearing shoes!

And it's not that cheap as well..

Seb
07-10-2011, 03:10 AM
I'd be happy to have some steamed groper. Had some great seafood in Penang too, last trip.