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azmark
07-25-2011, 10:13 PM
I currently only use a honing rod but do I need anything else? Is knife edge maintenance similar to straight razor maintenance?

monty
07-25-2011, 10:41 PM
I carry a ceramic hone in my bag, but I use it only as a last resort. I rely on my leather and felt strop. I'm sure the rod is fine, but the strops are unreal.

tk59
07-26-2011, 09:50 AM
I would use a glass rod or possibly a ceramic rod for quick and dirty touch-ups in the middle of a shift. The difference between razor and knife maintenance is a razor edge isn't suppposed to be toothy. For that, you would only use fine stones and a strop. For a knife, you need some teeth so a light pass or two on a rod will generally be more effective. The other thing about strops is if you have a chip or a crack, you will damage your them whereas a rod handles this stuff without a problem.

monty
07-26-2011, 10:47 AM
I guess I hadn't thought of it like that. Good point.

Let me run this past you, as I suspect it relates to the op. Does it make a difference if the knives we are talking about are either western knives or Japanese knives purposely sharpened to have a toothy edge already? Stropping works really well for me, but I wonder if that's because my BBQ knife roll is full of knives sharpened only as far as 1000x. I guess I'm assuming that even with stropping there is plenty of bite to the edges. Does this make sense? If it does, then I suppose it would work for most kitchen knives because in my limited experience most folks aren't hardcore about their knives and probably have toothy edges without even knowing it. Many folks who give me knives to sharpen ask me to put a "scary sharp" edge on their knives, then they add "Like it was the day I bought it." For them, a knife out of the box with a 500x to 800x grind on the bevel is scary sharp.

Last night, just for fun, I destroyed the edge of a Sam's Club white handle cheapo knife, then I put an edge back on with my 500x. Then I stropped. It was a fun little experiment. The difference after stropping was huge, but still toothy.

With that said, I just like the process of stropping so I'm biased :) My ceramic hone is a thing of beauty and for $25 it is a real value!

azmark
07-26-2011, 11:35 AM
Nice information gentlemen. Thank you very much!

Now about a strop. Will a hanging leather strop work? I'm looking at Dave's strop kit and curious in what fashion does one use it? What's first I guess.

monty
07-26-2011, 11:43 AM
I have a loose belt and I loved using it. The problem was/is that it is too narrow for me. Also, lots of folks believe that using a strop like that will inevitably convex your edge (more than happens naturally when sharpening with stones). After using Dave's set up for a while now I think that's probably true. The other thing I like about the magnetic strop stations is that you can use other pads. As much as I appreciate the firm leather with diamond spray, I am in love with the felt.

Check out this thread for more ino on how to use a firm leather strop: http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php?560-How-to-Hone-Strop-Knives

azmark
07-26-2011, 11:56 AM
Cool, thanks!

So I can just use a strop as mentioned over a honing rod then just use the honing rod as I'm cutting, does this sound correct?

Also, just to confirm the spray goes on the leather?

Eamon Burke
07-26-2011, 12:52 PM
What knives are you talking about?

stevenStefano
07-27-2011, 06:09 PM
A quick question for everyone. For those who strop, precisely how often do you do this? Say after a few cuts? Twice a day? The thing is I don't strop a whole lot because I usually find that the knife seems to be too blunt to make a difference, unless I strop incessantly. It is something that has always puzzled me. I can strop the knife, use it for 10 mins then strop again and it makes no difference. That is why I use a ceramic rod, it instantly brings back the edge, sometimes I will strop after using the rod. I also tried using different compounds, I tried 3 micron diamond recently but I think it is too high, 0.5 and 0.25 seem to be more noticeable. I use balsa by the way

Eamon Burke
07-27-2011, 10:19 PM
I'd advise you switch to leather for maintenance, balsa just doesn't grab. I use a leather strop with .5 paste about every day.

Salty dog
07-28-2011, 12:52 AM
http://youtu.be/g9Smlj0fNnE

stevenStefano
07-30-2011, 10:41 AM
Went back to the leather strop I have and tried using the rougher side and it seemed to make it work much better. I have a load of different compounds but I think o.5 micron is the most useful

WillC
08-05-2011, 06:15 AM
My fave strop is a piece of 1.5mm veg tan leather course side up stuck to a flat bit of mdf. It holds compound really well and gives some cut. I havent used it on a micro bevel yet though for fear of rounding it. I use light pressure on the smooth side for that.