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Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 01:23 PM
AT are initials of my first and last name. M (middle name) unfortunately doesn't fit well into a logo, so I am not going to use it. This is a work in progress, and I am exploring different fonts and sizes for the crest, but this should give you an idea how the logo would look in its final form.

All opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance.

M

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JohnnyChance
08-03-2011, 01:28 PM
Looks good to me.

SpikeC
08-03-2011, 01:49 PM
My first impression is that it is a little "tight". Will the bottom line be legible when etched into the steel?
I like the AT.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 02:05 PM
I will have to discuss this with the stencil maker. I have never electro-etched before.

M

Adagimp
08-03-2011, 02:18 PM
I like it. Nice fonts and it's compact.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 03:45 PM
Here is an improved version. Come to think, NY Yankees logo comes to mind. :)

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Lukas
08-03-2011, 04:27 PM
Hey Marko,

2 suggestions:

1. I'd rather see a font with sharper edges, Trajan Pro comes to mind, and we know it engraves (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trajan's_Column) well.

Example:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk52/MisterAnderson08/TrajanPro.png

2. The logo: I'd look for a symbol before trying to get a combination of letters, it has worked great for Takeda (the heart) and Kramer (the 3 circles). If you want to use letter I'd try to stick to the "M" since you are already using it to sign your posts and your potential customers already recognize it as your mark.

Hope this helps

L.

tk59
08-03-2011, 04:50 PM
I think it's very handsome and clean-looking. Hopefully, it works out well with the etching.

mr drinky
08-03-2011, 04:55 PM
I like the clean look. Have you thought of just having a white 'M' (or 'A') in a black circle in front of Tsourkan? The criss-cross initials get a bit busy -- but not that much.

k.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 05:10 PM
The logo will look much less busy when reduced to the size, so I think much of the 'busy' look won't be noticeable. M introduces an extra variable and I tried my best to fit it in the logo, but could not come up with a good place for it. Not a big deal. I rarely use Marko outside forums.

Before coming up with this design, I considered using a Japanese crest with three triangles forming a larger triangle in a circle). My wife told me it reminded her of a fallout shelter sign, and after some hesitation, I let it go.

I have already spend much time coming up with the logo and making changes, so I will be glad when it is finalized and stencils are ordered. You won't believe how much time this can take.

Thank you very much for your input. You are not trashing the logo, so it must be not so bad.

M

PS: Drinky - yoiur signature is too funny. Just noticed. :) How about this one - marriages come and go, but a divorce is forever. Dry humor for the lucky ones.

mr drinky
08-03-2011, 05:31 PM
How about this one - marriages come and go, but a divorce is forever. Dry humor for the lucky ones. Yeah, that's good. I also think this would work: "When your on Facebook, your Ex wants to be your friend forever."

k.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 05:34 PM
Yeah, that's good. I also think this would work: "When your on Facebook, your Ex wants to be your friend forever."

k.

Not mine. She, incidentally, lives not too far from you and also has a Swedish connection.

M

Salty dog
08-03-2011, 06:18 PM
I'd lose the "New York".

I hate to say it but most folks in this country don't like New Yorkers.
(I hate to say it even more but with good reason. (present company excepted)

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 06:48 PM
I'd lose the "New York".

I hate to say it but most folks in this country don't like New Yorkers.
(I hate to say it even more but with good reason. (present company excepted)

So, what should I put in the second line instead of New York then? I think the logo looks better with two lines. To put Knives is kind of redundant, as is Knifeworks, Cutlery, etc. To leave just USA also is not a best solution, as it is too short by itself. Would Hand-Made be an acceptable choice? But it doesn't sound that great, I suppose.

M

Cipcich
08-03-2011, 07:50 PM
The geographic reference is traditional. It's where the knife is made, that's all. We can't all live in Big Sky, or Telluride. Personally, I'd like to have knife made in Lawndale, though I wouldn't want to live there.

ecchef
08-03-2011, 07:53 PM
I'd lose the "New York".

I hate to say it but most folks in this country don't like New Yorkers.
(I hate to say it even more but with good reason. (present company excepted)

I think most Noo Yawkahs feel that way about the rest of the country.:razz:

Perhaps because "most folks" in this country can't, or won't, distinguish between NYC and the entire rest of the State? And that's a very ignorant and narrow minded world view and another topic altogether.

But I disagree. I think that "New York" has the same connotations as "London" or "Paris". All these cities still have that elite status that people associate with a higher standard. Sure, they're all in some state of decline, but they're admired for what they once represented concretely, and now more abstractly. And this is good because most of this Country's other benchmarks are long gone. When you say 'steel', is Pittsburgh the first thing that come to mind? How about 'cars'? Detroit? Nope. What aspiring (fill in the blank) wants to move to, say, Duluth to make it big? See what I mean? (No offense to you Iowans.)

Love it or hate it...and I'm NJ born & bred so you know which side of the fence I'm on...New York still has an allure to it. And nobody should be ashamed of where they call home.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 08:05 PM
I think most Noo Yawkahs feel that way about the rest of the country.:razz:

Perhaps because "most folks" in this country can't, or won't, distinguish between NYC and the entire rest of the State? And that's a very ignorant and narrow minded world view and another topic altogether.

But I disagree. I think that "New York" has the same connotations as "London" or "Paris". All these cities still have that elite status that people associate with a higher standard. Sure, they're all in some state of decline, but they're admired for what they once represented concretely, and now more abstractly. And this is good because most of this Country's other benchmarks are long gone. When you say 'steel', is Pittsburgh the first thing that come to mind? How about 'cars'? Detroit? Nope. What aspiring (fill in the blank) wants to move to, say, Duluth to make it big? See what I mean? (No offense to you Iowans.)

Love it or hate it...and I'm NJ born & bred so you know which side of the fence I'm on...New York still has an allure to it. And nobody should be ashamed of where they call home.

You know, I didn't think it this way, but I am using 1943 Bridgeport milling machine that was made in Bridgeport Connecticut (not too far away from me) long before it became a rust belt, most of my power-tools are US made - rarity these days, and I have almost nostalgic affection for old cast iron machines. Too bad my workshop is in a basement, otherwise I could have acquired a couple more.

Your post gives me some encouragement. Everything I have done, the quality was first and foremost, and money was secondary and it will stay this way. If people find my knvies appealing for what they are, I don't think the fact that they were made in NY will turn them off. And if it does, than maybe they are not right customers for me from the start. I am not planning to flood the country with knives (it takes me 2 days to make a knife at the present time) to worry if if people take an issue with where I live and stereotype.

Thanks, ecchef.

Funny, I don't think I have any resentment, let alone hatred to people from any other state. There are people I will never talk religion or politics or gun rights with, but I don't think the divide is so strong that would inevitably lead to hatred. Maybe it's a New York thing - we are in a melting pot, so everybody has to get along. Even though I live in Westchester, most of of my 15 years or so here I lived in NYC. Would move there in a heart beat, if could afford it. Well, would probably move to Brooklyn.

M

mhlee
08-03-2011, 09:17 PM
The geographic reference is traditional. It's where the knife is made, that's all. We can't all live in Big Sky, or Telluride. Personally, I'd like to have knife made in Lawndale, though I wouldn't want to live there.

Lawndale? Really???!!! Is there an unknown knife making god in Lawndale???

ecchef
08-03-2011, 09:24 PM
I don't really hate NY Marko; just busting your chops. :razz:

I've lived in Queens & UES. You take the good with the bad.

ecchef
08-03-2011, 09:28 PM
Lawndale? Really???!!! Is there an unknown knife making god in Lawndale???

Rumor has it there may be one in Fleetwood. :spiteful:

Salty dog
08-03-2011, 09:54 PM
Well, if you're proud to be a New Yorker than you might as well put it on there. Who buys a knife for a logo after all?

Seriously though, if you weren't from New York I doubt you'd put "Dubuque" or Caledonia, or Naperville on there. *** is so special about NYC?

Just an observation.

99Limited
08-03-2011, 09:54 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with Salty on nixing "New York". Even though you don't live in the city when people see "New York", they're going to be thinking of NYC and there are a whole lot of truly fine products labeled "New York". With your skills at making handles, your knives are going to be very classy looking and there's no city in America classier than New York, NY.

Salty dog
08-03-2011, 09:56 PM
Ever been to Gary?

99Limited
08-03-2011, 10:06 PM
Ever been to Gary?

Yeah, but don't tell anyone. You just need to open up a restaurant in Hell's Kitchen.

Salty dog
08-03-2011, 10:12 PM
You have to understand that after years of this business I've grown to hate people. NYC just has too many of them. It has to be difficult to walk down the street and not see one. They're all over the place!

tk59
08-03-2011, 10:17 PM
I can't say I care too much for or against the New York in the logo. I like New York, actually. Regardless, the knife should "speak for itself," no? It looks good, Marko. If you're gonna write out your last name, maybe put your first two initials in the circle?

SpikeC
08-03-2011, 10:20 PM
Less is more, as the snooty ***** used to say.

eto
08-03-2011, 10:22 PM
You know me Marko, Love the Logo, don't worry everyone loves New York, and remember "New York is the city where the future comes to rehearse". Ed Koch.

Cipcich
08-03-2011, 11:22 PM
Lawndale? Really???!!! Is there an unknown knife making god in Lawndale???

R.W. Loveless made knives in Lawndale, a long time ago.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 11:26 PM
You know me Marko, Love the Logo, don't worry everyone loves New York, and remember "New York is the city where the future comes to rehearse". Ed Koch.

OK, done. Ordering stencils tomorrow. :) New York stays in the logo until I move... probably Brooklyn. :)

@TK I find it difficult to combine letter M with other in the logo, so I have to drop it.

@Salty. I love Wisconsin and Wisconsinites even if they don't like New Yorkers. I would cheer for Packers over NY Jets, but that is another story :)

Been to Duluth.
M

mr drinky
08-03-2011, 11:33 PM
I love the Duluth area, especially along the North Shore. I was just there in early July.

k.

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 11:38 PM
I love the Duluth area, especially along the North Shore. I was just there in early July.

k.

It's weird to see the remnants of industrial prowess it once exhibited. But the lake Superior is absolutely gorgeous. I wold love to spend time there in the summer.

M

Eamon Burke
08-03-2011, 11:43 PM
I think "Westchester NY" would look great--just like your avatar description. I have some straights that say "Worchester, Mass" on them or just "Worchester" or "Sheffield" and it's a very cool thing. "New York" has been hijacked by the city name, and the state will never be anything other than "NY" to those of us outside. New York brings to mind Broadway, immigrants, tall buildings, Jay-Z, Saturday Night Live and 9/11. Not exactly screaming "craftsmanship". But "Westchester, NY"...now that sounds like a city full of furniture makers, whiskey distilleries and Constitutionalists.

:2cents:

Marko Tsourkan
08-03-2011, 11:51 PM
:)
Thanks for the tip. Will sleep on it and revisit tomorrow. I thought about it briefly in the beginning, but decided it was too long. With NY abbreviated, it might fit

mano
08-04-2011, 06:41 AM
Glad you're keeping New York. In all my years living elsewhere (never New York) I never met anyone who hated it enough to resent buying something made there. Maybe they wouldn't visit, but New York is a world class city as is Paris and London.

Your target customers are cooks with money. They love Cut Brooklyn, why not Tsourkan New York?

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 07:52 AM
...

Your target customers are cooks with money. They love Cut Brooklyn, why not Tsourkan New York?

Indeed, why not? Mine is a better knife I think. Just kidding. I let others come to that conclusion. :)

Westchester is a county, so to be more accurate, I would have to put Fleetwood (hello Dave!) as a town I live and my shop is located (it's a suburb of a city of Mt. Vernon). Will try that.

M

mano
08-04-2011, 10:43 AM
Fleetwood is a bad idea. All those mid-westerners who resent the monied city folk who drove big Cadillac Fleetwoods back in the day.

Can't you just put a lid on your snooty attitude M? :)

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 12:09 PM
well, I can't. In fact, I am putting together three logos for you guys to vote on. I can't make a decision. :(

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 01:02 PM
All right folks, I need a helping hand one more time. I have had three logos made and would like you to pick one that will end up on my knives. I am a Libra by birth and completely incapable of this kind of decision. I like three of them equally. All three have a meaning for me. BTW, those diamonds in the first logo represent twisted steel (courtesy of Devin Thomas - the walking encyclopedia on steels).

So here are the three logos. Don't hold back. :)

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I appreciate your feedback!

99Limited
08-04-2011, 01:36 PM
Well the first circle reminds me of the old US Steel logo and the triangle definitely reminds me of the radiation symbol. I think your original design looks the best.

mhenry
08-04-2011, 01:41 PM
The original, its more "original"

SpikeC
08-04-2011, 02:13 PM
+1 on the original

Line cooked
08-04-2011, 02:16 PM
the original

Adagimp
08-04-2011, 02:57 PM
Am I the only one who thought of Zelda when they saw the tri-force logo?

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 03:02 PM
Am I the only one who thought of Zelda when they saw the tri-force logo?

Most info I found was on Zelda, when I was trying to learn about the original meaning of the crest.

M

Eamon Burke
08-04-2011, 03:08 PM
dun da-dun...dunna dunna DUNNA DAAA!!!

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 03:12 PM
is this the theme song from the game? Ignorantly, I didn't care to learn who Zelda was, your tune doesn't connect.

M

Cipcich
08-04-2011, 03:29 PM
AT

Eamon Burke
08-04-2011, 04:18 PM
is this the theme song from the game? Ignorantly, I didn't care to learn who Zelda was, your tune doesn't connect.

M

OH SNAP!

If you play Ocarina of Time and Link to the Past, you will never be impressed with another video game.
:offtopic:

Adagimp
08-04-2011, 04:31 PM
is this the theme song from the game? Ignorantly, I didn't care to learn who Zelda was, your tune doesn't connect.

M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTgF9zal4g&feature=related

Not to derail the thread completely, but this is a link to a fairly comprehensive track of the various Zelda game themes. The most iconic melody starts around :34 and 3:04.

Dave Martell
08-04-2011, 04:44 PM
I like them all but the AT symbol works for me the best along with your name. Adding location to a mark is very traditional and seems to be done just as much as not so it's cool as long as you like it.

Marko, I feel your pain here, designing a mark is one of the hardest things I've ever done. Took me months of toiling and being made fun of by a special friend before I said screw it and just picked something. What a relief to be past that.

Burl Source
08-04-2011, 05:00 PM
I like Tsourkan with just New York underneath.
and the round AT logo for the other side of the blade.

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 05:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XTgF9zal4g&feature=related

Not to derail the thread completely, but this is a link to a fairly comprehensive track of the various Zelda game themes. The most iconic melody starts around :34 and 3:04.

Man, what have I been missing! Sounds like a pretty uplifting tune. Are the games that good?

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 05:23 PM
Thank Mark for a new perspective. I guess there would be no confusion as to what New York it is (not in Australia, New Zealand or Canada :) )

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 05:51 PM
Almost there folks. Bear with me. What do ya think? Done or not?

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Cipcich
08-04-2011, 06:17 PM
Done enough. Of course, you can't really tell until you see it on a knife . . .

SpikeC
08-04-2011, 06:25 PM
How do they know which country's New York?

:tease:

RRLOVER
08-04-2011, 07:16 PM
Less is more, as the snooty ***** used to say.

I agree with spike.I do like an understated logo like Bill Burkes.

Salty dog
08-04-2011, 07:18 PM
Despite my earlier comments I think it looks pretty darn good.

Marko Tsourkan
08-04-2011, 07:49 PM
I agree with spike.I do like an understated logo like Bill Burkes.

Bill doesn't need a nice logo to help market his knives.

Salty, no offense taken for your earlier comments. We go back a few years now... :)

Thanks, folks. I really appreciate your help.

M

Eamon Burke
08-04-2011, 11:46 PM
It think it looks great, really!



Man, what have I been missing! Sounds like a pretty uplifting tune. Are the games that good?

Yes. Best video games I've ever played--an understated classic epic, courtesy your thumbs. Story, characters, music, design, reward system, creativity, mythology...it's all incredibly top-notch.

NO ChoP!
08-05-2011, 02:10 AM
I like the three triangles, (hmmm....I wonder why, lol). I think you could get mosaic pins of that symbol; would look pretty cool.

Marko Tsourkan
08-05-2011, 09:05 AM
Well, I would have to start offering hazmat suits with the knives. BTW, I inquired about the pins. Too difficult to make them, so I have to settle for another design.

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UglyJoe
08-05-2011, 11:19 AM
It think it looks great, really!




Yes. Best video games I've ever played--an understated classic epic, courtesy your thumbs. Story, characters, music, design, reward system, creativity, mythology...it's all incredibly top-notch.

I've always felt that A Link to the Past and Ocarina of Time as well as Final Fantasy VI (3 in the States) and VII set standards in video games that have yet to be even approached since, much less passed.

SpikeC
08-05-2011, 01:03 PM
Well, I would have to start offering hazmat suits with the knives. BTW, I inquired about the pins. Too difficult to make them, so I have to settle for another design.

M

A triangular draw plate and Bob's your uncle.

jmforge
08-05-2011, 01:04 PM
Marko, are you getting your stencils from Ernie? I have seen some of his where the print was very small and the logos rather complex and they looked find.

JohnnyChance
08-05-2011, 01:12 PM
Zelda's music is so good you can reuse it as awesome hip hop beats. A group called Team Teamwork reworked all of the Ocarina of Time music for a remix called The Ocarina of Rhyme:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XD4EjeXe1A&feature=player_detailpage

NSFW: Language.

Marko Tsourkan
08-05-2011, 04:35 PM
Marko, are you getting your stencils from Ernie? I have seen some of his where the print was very small and the logos rather complex and they looked find.

Yes, I am to supply him with a final logo, so probaby finalize it over the weekend and should get them next week.

mr drinky
08-05-2011, 11:11 PM
Westchester is a county...

I know, this is way up thread and no longer relevant, but I love the Loudon Wainwright III song 'Westchester County'.

k.

Marko Tsourkan
08-05-2011, 11:17 PM
all of these names I considered are in New York. :)