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obtuse
03-08-2011, 09:42 AM
Anyone see This konosuke zdp-189 gyuto? http://www.toshoknifearts.com/shop/knives/240mm-zdp-189-gyuto-konosuketosho-collaboration what do you think? :cool:

mainaman
03-08-2011, 10:34 AM
I think it is way too expensive.
I'd rather get a honyaki knife to that.

obtuse
03-08-2011, 11:30 AM
I think it is way too expensive.
I'd rather get a honyaki knife to that.

It's also Canadian dollars. The edge would probably last way longer than a honyaki knife.

tk59
03-08-2011, 12:03 PM
It's also Canadian dollars. The edge would probably last way longer than a honyaki knife.

I'm sure this is a great knife. However, zdp is well known to lose it's ultimate sharpness relatively quickly. How long the edge would last depends on what you use it. I'm not convinced zdp would outlast carbon steel cutting non-acidic foods by any significant margin. If you're talking about cutting acidic foods, any decent stainless will outlast any non-stainless.

obtuse
03-08-2011, 12:43 PM
I'm very well aware of that. I just thought it was interesting that konosuke would produce a zdp-189 knife. I doubt many people have tried zdp-189, I certainly can't afford to. In my mind I can tell myself that the HD is just as good. I wonder what they think about the steel at konosuke.

mainaman
03-08-2011, 12:52 PM
I personally do not subscriibe to the mystic of ZDP, it could be superb steel but IMHO HRC 66+ is not what tells the story.
From what the description says this s custom production knife, so if they are not making it on a reg basis that means it is not worth the trouble.
I can see how one can buy this from a pure collector stand point though.

jaybett
03-08-2011, 01:46 PM
I personally do not subscriibe to the mystic of ZDP, it could be superb steel but IMHO HRC 66+ is not what tells the story.
From what the description says this s custom production knife, so if they are not making it on a reg basis that means it is not worth the trouble.
I can see how one can buy this from a pure collector stand point though.

The custom knife HRC is 66-68, the production knives are going to be HRC 65. At the bottom of the site, they are taking pre-orders.

Isn't ZDP and Cowry X, similar steels? Maybe that is what burnishes ZDP's reputation. And yes I know that they are both powdered steels.

I've been looking to pick up some toys, from Canada. The Canadian dollar is worth more then the American dollar.

RRLover from the forum that shall not be named, owns a ZDP gyuto. He put it up for sale, a few weeks ago.

Japanese Chef Knives, has ZDP knives at a lower price. In my eyes they are also a better looking knife.

Jay

JohnnyChance
03-08-2011, 03:29 PM
Not really a fan of the profile either.

Darkhoek
03-08-2011, 03:58 PM
Not really a fan of the profile either.

Agreed. I think this knife got way to much belly and rise towards the tip for a Jp gyuto. It's almost like a Kramer suji :)

DarKHoek

Rottman
03-08-2011, 07:11 PM
Isn't ZDP and Cowry X, similar steels?

Both have 3% carbon and 20% chromium plus some additives and can be hardened into the high 60s rockwell C.

obtuse
03-08-2011, 07:20 PM
I think the profile is the same as other konosuke knives and pretty standard for Sakai type gyutos. I like the profile, but I do admit I prefer a French profile better. The knife maybe worth the price to somebody. I'm not trying to defend it, I'm sure it may be somebody's ideal knife.

Rottman
03-08-2011, 08:14 PM
RRLover from the forum that shall not be named, owns a ZDP gyuto. He put it up for sale, a few weeks ago.

Japanese Chef Knives, has ZDP knives at a lower price. In my eyes they are also a better looking knife.

All these knives are clad, the Konosuke is monosteel. Two years back when the Suisin dreamcraft site was all the rage they had (and prob. still have) solid ZDP as an option. From what I remember the quotes people got back were all multiple thousand bucks.