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PierreRodrigue
11-29-2011, 01:53 PM
After long debate, and numerous conversations behind the scenes with several forum members, I am happy to announce that I will be unveiling the first run of knives designed and completed by my self. These "Professional Series" knives, will be CPM 154, western handles Gyutos, similar in blade profile to this http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php?2968-250-Gyuto

These will be cut out by laser, heat treated in salts with a cryo finish then ground, with convex faces, polished, and handled with similar woods, and bolsters. Enough that no two knives are identical.

The design has been finalized, and will be in prototype stage shortly.

kalaeb
11-29-2011, 01:58 PM
Sign me up!

JohnnyChance
11-29-2011, 02:10 PM
Cool beans!

Larrin
11-29-2011, 02:13 PM
the first run of knives designed and completed by my self.

I don't understand. Who was making the other knives?

PierreRodrigue
11-29-2011, 02:16 PM
Haha! Your funny! I got a bunch of little elfs in the shop, but had to give them a layoff, so they could get up north to help that jolly old fart that hangs out there! Some process will be farmed out, is all I was hinting at. :)

bcrano
11-29-2011, 02:18 PM
Congrats. That's great news.

jm2hill
11-29-2011, 02:44 PM
Great news Pierre. Congrats.

Keep us updated!

mr drinky
11-29-2011, 03:27 PM
Sweet! I can't wait.

k.

El Pescador
11-29-2011, 03:35 PM
Interested in what you come up with!

oivind_dahle
11-29-2011, 04:47 PM
Nice Pierre :)

By saing "Professional Series" I guess these will be midtech line?
Do I understand it correctly that cutting, heat treating will be subcontracted?
Any thing else or will you be doing all the rest yourself?

Good luck anyway, Im all custom as you know ;)

oivind_dahle
11-29-2011, 04:57 PM
Ohhh. forgot

Same question as to Bill: "why and what will they cost?"

PierreRodrigue
11-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Well, the why is quite simple. I can't do everything I would like to do in the time I have available. As well, doing this will allow me to offer knives at a price much lower than a full custom, and keep the quality where it needs to be. If it isn't right, I'm not letting it out of the shop! As for cost, this is to be finalized.

Pensacola Tiger
11-29-2011, 05:26 PM
Congratulations on taking the next step, Pierre! May you have as much success keeping your mid-tech line in stock as Devin has had, that is, none to speak of.

Lefty
11-29-2011, 07:41 PM
Congrats, Pierre! I have a feeling these will be tough to get our hands on.

RobinW
11-29-2011, 08:10 PM
Hey, I know that knife!
For all the prospective buyers, it is an AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSOME (the kids are very much into Kung Fu Panda right now, Sorry) and i can't see you getting the least bit disappointed with this setup and shape. If you ever was interested in a nimble high performance knife, this would be it!

Edit, I like this knife even more now (it has grown on me) than when i got it and wrote the review and that was starting at a high level.

chuck239
11-29-2011, 08:10 PM
Pierre,

This sounds great, I am excited to hear more about these.

-Chuck

RRLOVER
11-29-2011, 09:29 PM
Congrats Peirre:thumbsup: I would still consider these a "custom"

PierreRodrigue
11-29-2011, 10:12 PM
Thanks guys. I'm excited, and nervous as hell at the same. Thanks for the support and encouragement! Looking forward to the official unveil!

RobinW
11-29-2011, 10:22 PM
Just re-read, why western handles????? At least do both....

Justin0505
11-29-2011, 10:24 PM
Great news indeed. Its always nice to see both great makers getting more recognation and more people getting access to their knives. Are you selling thsee directly or though CKTG?

PierreRodrigue
11-29-2011, 10:45 PM
Yes, these will go through CKTG.

tk59
11-30-2011, 01:41 PM
I still don't understand exactly what this is going to be. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but the way you are describing it, it doesn't sound all that different from me sitting at home, modifying some knives that I bought from someone else. Basically one step more "custom" than Kramer stamping his name on a Shun or Henckels. Exactly what is it you are and aren't doing?

El Pescador
11-30-2011, 01:56 PM
I think these are going to be a midtech, right Pierre?

Eamon Burke
11-30-2011, 03:32 PM
Pierre, unless I am gravely mistaken, will still be doing the grinding. That is the most important factor to making a stock removal knife, you know...removing the stock. And Pierre's grinding skills are worth every penny and then some.

tk59
11-30-2011, 04:09 PM
Pierre, unless I am gravely mistaken, will still be doing the grinding. That is the most important factor to making a stock removal knife, you know...removing the stock. And Pierre's grinding skills are worth every penny and then some.LOL. Thanks, Eamon. Pierre told you he is doing all of the stock removal? On another note, what are you basing your generous impression of these skills he has?

Eamon Burke
11-30-2011, 04:38 PM
Well he didn't tell me specifically, but getting a machine to grind a knife is a huuuuge undertaking compared to having them waterjet cut, so if he's not grinding them, I'd be surprised he failed to mention how they are being ground. This sounds like standard mid tech stuff-steel, wj cut, ht out of house, so he gets ready to work blanks to do the magic.

Oh and I'm basing my opinions on his knives! They are superbly ground...fun to just hold up to light and look at.

PierreRodrigue
11-30-2011, 05:30 PM
Gentlemen. Here's the scoop. Yes these are mid-techs, I hate that phrase, but there is no way around what they are. I called them "Professional Series" Sounds nicer than mid-tech... Feel free to use either term. They will be cut out by lasers, tighter tollerance than waterjet. Same end result, knife blanks. They will be heat treated in salts, in my opinion, a more consistant process. They will also be cryo treated. The blanks will be rough ground, bulk of the material removed, to save me time, and cost. I will finish the process, and build the handles.

Regardless of the process, it doesn't get my mark, or leave the shop, until I'm comfortable putting my name on it. Period.

I am looking at doing some of these Wa handled. Just so there is an option. There will be no customization of these knives, it will not be worth it for me at the projected price point. (Which will be announced closer to the release date, still some things to work out) Thanks for the support, I hope this helps clear the waters.

jm2hill
11-30-2011, 05:59 PM
what's the release date looking like?

PierreRodrigue
11-30-2011, 07:21 PM
I am hopeing for early New Year... We will see! :)

tk59
11-30-2011, 08:24 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Pierre. I'll be interested to see some of your more current work.

mr drinky
12-02-2011, 08:24 PM
You know, Pierre, if you save some time with this new project, you can head down to North Dakota and survey some oil fields and make some real (non-knife) cash ;)

k.

PierreRodrigue
12-03-2011, 06:55 PM
Got my hands full surveying those here!

PierreRodrigue
12-10-2011, 07:14 PM
Latest development... I am pleased to announce, that Mark, with Burl Source, has agreed to be the exclusive supplier for handle woods for the upcoming knives, also a Wa handled version has been drawn up, and will likely be incorporated into the first run if all the pieces fall into place. Also, the projected price on these looks like $299.95, will have to work out to see if the Wa will be the same price. If not, not much more. :D

Lefty
12-10-2011, 09:48 PM
Can't wait to get mine! :D

Aphex
12-11-2011, 02:39 AM
A Rodrique mid-tech for $300 sounds like one hell of a bargain to me. Roll on next year.

bcrano
12-11-2011, 02:48 AM
That's a steal Pierre! Congrats on the new venture. Bet these will be snapped up seconds after they are posted!

Lucretia
12-11-2011, 11:22 AM
:happy1: YAY! Now I know what to get for a birthday knife!

Mingooch
12-12-2011, 11:07 PM
Can I order the 13th one? I dont know what it looks like, but I want to get in while they are still there :) Yes with the wa handle.

PierreRodrigue
01-07-2012, 12:18 AM
Just opened a box, my little lady was nice enough to pick up from the postal outlet, 40+ african blackwood blocks, and a bunch of stabilized blocks form Marks store. There will be westerns and wa handles in the first knives to be released. With woods at quality close to full custom stuff. HEHEHE! Gettin' excited!

Lefty
01-07-2012, 12:29 AM
I can't wait!..no I can...don't rush back and hurt yourself, or anything.

PierreRodrigue
01-09-2012, 08:37 PM
Got word prototype steel should be heading to me in a few days! Its comming together! :bliss:

PierreRodrigue
02-15-2012, 08:51 PM
Ok, well the surgeries slowed me down a lot! But the first of the prototypes made it to me, I finished the blades, and a quick dirty polish/machine finish, sharpened, and a quick impromptu cutting test was in order. This didn't get the stones at all, just to a 400 grit on the grinder, essentially cut the bevels. The blank is also missing a handle. Here is a quick video, nothing fancy, and please ignore my nervous cutting lack-of-technique! I kinda stalled on the potato. lol! I'm not knife skilled. If this was a hunting video, different story! The last images are to show the level of convexity. I chose to do this mid blade, for the reason if I'm against the spine, a little tweek on the ruler makes it look larger. This way I keep myself honest! Please, let me know your thoughts! By the way, 2.0 is already in the works, I have been speaking with several of you, thank you for your input. I really appreciate the time you put into your responses.

Pierre


http://youtu.be/6rSbKauu_Qo

Andrew H
02-15-2012, 08:55 PM
Looks promising, Pierre. I like how you did all the demos without a handle on. :lol2:

Eamon Burke
02-15-2012, 09:02 PM
Love the grind shots

Lefty
02-15-2012, 09:07 PM
Great "first run"! Now when can we get our hands on them? :D No rush, of course *thinking I should sell my 10" and 240mm gyutos to make room...*

Deckhand
02-15-2012, 09:13 PM
Exciting! I really admire your work. Can't wait to see the progression.
Your sujihiki with the mammoth and leftys Pettysuki should just be bookmarked. I look at them so much:biggrin:

DarrenSwerid
02-18-2012, 10:57 AM
I recognize that ruler! ;)

Twistington
02-18-2012, 11:26 AM
This looks promising! :doublethumbsup: Can you upload some photos of the prototype?

PierreRodrigue
02-19-2012, 02:57 AM
duplicate

PierreRodrigue
02-19-2012, 03:00 AM
Duplicate

PierreRodrigue
02-19-2012, 03:01 AM
Well here is the proposed autocad rendition. I am also working to tweek a design and test a new high carbon "ubbersteel" Stay tuned!
4691

PierreRodrigue
02-19-2012, 03:20 AM
Well here is the proposed autocad rendition. I am also working to tweek a design and test a new high carbon "ubbersteel" Stay tuned!
4691

Oh yeah! I'd appreciate your thoughts!

Mingooch
02-19-2012, 09:40 AM
I am getting more and more interested. Looks real nice at this time. I can see a wa handled one in my future.

bcrano
02-19-2012, 12:32 PM
Really like the profile!

Candlejack
02-19-2012, 01:17 PM
Oh yeah! I'd appreciate your thoughts!

The biggest problem i see is that you use internet explorer.

Otherwise, i'm really interested in this. What profile are you aiming for? A Laser?

Adagimp
02-19-2012, 02:42 PM
Side profile shot looks really nice. Some additional measurements with respect to length, height and thickness at various places would help flesh out the concept of the knife.

PierreRodrigue
02-19-2012, 05:27 PM
Here are some additional measurements... Will start with 3/32" stock, full distal taper, and convexing as shown in the short video.
4726

Lefty
02-19-2012, 11:22 PM
Man, I might be biased, but I can't see an issue with this profile. 240mm is as big as I go, comfortably, and the low tip is very usable, but as seen in the video is still high enough for walking the board.
On behalf of everyone, will there be any sort of preorder with these? If so, do we deal with Mark only, or can we go through you?

PierreRodrigue
02-20-2012, 01:02 AM
Honestly at this moment, I'm not 100% sure. I beleive Mark will handle the sales, and this might be better for the US customer base. You won't have to deal with shipping and customs. I don't know for sure if I will be shipping to Canadian customers via Mark?? We will see as we get closer.

peterm
02-20-2012, 08:32 AM
Looks nice Pierre!

Candlejack
02-20-2012, 10:23 AM
Around what price will it be?
Your usual handle-shape?
What kinds of woods are you thinking of?
Which steels did you think of using? And hardness on it
Laser?


And whatever questions you might think of, that people would like answered. I just want to collect it in one post. Cause this is real interesting.

PierreRodrigue
02-20-2012, 12:26 PM
- A hair under $300
- Same handle shape, a little more tapering to the front
-Similar to my customs. ALL Burl Source woods, hand selected. I will mix up the bolsters and pins a little...
-Steel is CPM 154 for now at HRC 60.5 to 61
-Laser? Not really. Thin but not anorexic :D

Right now, there is a 40mm flat at the heel.
Bolster and pins... mostly stainless, but will toss in some copper, G10, maybe brass, or another wood. Whatever I decide to compliment the wood for that knife.
There will be NO CUSTOM option on these.
They will be sharp OOTB, but not taken to stones.

Anything else, feel free to ask.

JohnnyChance
02-20-2012, 02:30 PM
Honestly at this moment, I'm not 100% sure. I beleive Mark will handle the sales, and this might be better for the US customer base. You won't have to deal with shipping and customs. I don't know for sure if I will be shipping to Canadian customers via Mark?? We will see as we get closer.

Ages ago I bought a knife from CKTG that was out getting tuned up at the hands of someone else. I paid him directly (although they said I could have sent the payment to CKTG as well) and he shipped directly to me. I would think you would be able to work something out, especially for your Canadian customers. Just makes more sense then shipping that poor knife back and forth across the border.

PierreRodrigue
02-20-2012, 02:53 PM
Those are my thoughts as well...

dgravel
02-20-2012, 03:25 PM
Yeah direct would be the best and not because of the custom fees but the amount of time that the items sit in wharehouses. It can take quite a while to see anything move through sometimes.

Lefty
02-20-2012, 03:32 PM
To be honest, I agree, but I recently purchased a couple of knves from there and they shipped literally the next day. However, straight from the source makes the most sense.

bcrano
02-20-2012, 04:03 PM
Can I say I live in Canada as to not buy one from CKTG???

And if we sent you wood for one (from Burl Source) would you use it? Or does that fall under the no customs rule?

Adagimp
02-22-2012, 09:38 PM
- A hair under $300
- Same handle shape, a little more tapering to the front
-Similar to my customs. ALL Burl Source woods, hand selected. I will mix up the bolsters and pins a little...
-Steel is CPM 154 for now at HRC 60.5 to 61
-Laser? Not really. Thin but not anorexic :D

Right now, there is a 40mm flat at the heel.
Bolster and pins... mostly stainless, but will toss in some copper, G10, maybe brass, or another wood. Whatever I decide to compliment the wood for that knife.
There will be NO CUSTOM option on these.
They will be sharp OOTB, but not taken to stones.

Anything else, feel free to ask.


Sounds like a complete winner with that profile. Will you be offering western handles only, or will there be a wa option on some?

PierreRodrigue
02-23-2012, 01:00 AM
There are going to be westerns and wa handles I beleive at the same price point...

VoodooMajik
02-25-2012, 12:29 PM
Another Canadian Customer, I would find a way out to you to pick it up myself... lol

Lefty
02-25-2012, 03:07 PM
It's not a bad drive, actually. Especially if you don't decide on popping into Edmonton for a tour through the mall.

VoodooMajik
02-27-2012, 07:24 PM
I took the greyhound through Alberta on my way here from Toronto. Very nice Drive. I'm not a big fan of WEM. Get so lost. lol

cnochef
03-13-2012, 12:29 PM
Pierre, I am also interested in a buy within Canada option for your Professional Series knives. Sign me up!!!

VoodooMajik
05-27-2012, 07:05 PM
Hows the Progress coming with these?

PierreRodrigue
05-27-2012, 07:48 PM
HT is done, grinding has started, should be soon I hope!

VoodooMajik
05-27-2012, 08:20 PM
Glad to hear! Need a good line knife :)

RioChef
05-30-2012, 04:22 AM
I think you are hitting the market at a good time. I cannot wait to see what you are able to offer.

Just what I need...another knife to add to the wish list.:biggrin:

Crothcipt
05-30-2012, 10:48 AM
Welcome rio

Deckhand
05-30-2012, 11:07 AM
Welcome!