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jmforge
12-07-2011, 03:19 AM
Now that I am back at home from Europe and getting my shop cleaned up, I am looking to really take a serious crack at kitchen knives. I am looking for some advice on purchases. I plan to buy a Thiers-Issard Sabatier in carbon steel, but I need some advice on a Japanese knife. What would you guys recommend in a reasonable priced western Gyuto? I am not so much looking for a high end knife made from super steel, but one that will at least give me a feel for what a decent Japanese style 50-50 grind should look like and how the Japanese have adapted and modernized the classic Euro style handle.. Thanks

JohnnyChance
12-07-2011, 03:21 AM
So you want a western (yo style) handled knife? No D-shaped or octagonal wa style handles?

What price range are you looking at?

El Pescador
12-07-2011, 03:23 AM
Carbonext

jmforge
12-07-2011, 03:48 AM
Yes, at this time, I want to start out with western style handles. Wa handles done properly may have to wait until I upgrade to a good disc sander that I can plug into the VFD on my grinder, I think. As far as price range, as inexpensive as possible. Don't kill me!! I am really looking for basic templates, although I will likely end up using these at home as "shop knives' are unsold knives and we can't have that.:happymug: :D
So you want a western (yo style) handled knife? No D-shaped or octagonal wa style handles?

What price range are you looking at?

obtuse
12-07-2011, 04:59 AM
do you really want a 50/50 grind? that will be hard to find.
I can't really comment in the low low price range as I don't have many examples in that area. you would probably be blown away by a konosuke HD, ashi, gesshin ginga, kikuichi tkc. I'm speaking western handle. also available of eBay, from bluewayjapan, Sakai yusuke in either blue no.2 or aeb-l. Sakai takayuki grand cheff is another. I would spend a little more and really get a knife you'd want to emulate.

tk59
12-07-2011, 09:34 AM
If you can make a knife that cuts as well as a Fujiwara or a Carbonext, you'll be doing well for yourself. From there, you can tinker with profiles, etc.

stevenStefano
12-07-2011, 11:23 AM
If you're looking for one with great steel and an ok handle get a Carbonext. If you're looking for something with ok steel and a great handle get a Hattori FH

jmforge
12-07-2011, 12:13 PM
I do like that Hattori handle profile, but they are pretty proud of those knives if you look at the pricing compared to the CarboNext. :D
If you're looking for one with great steel and an ok handle get a Carbonext. If you're looking for something with ok steel and a great handle get a Hattori FH

Eamon Burke
12-07-2011, 04:45 PM
Whats your budget? Iconic grinding and smart handles don't come cheap!

stevenStefano
12-07-2011, 06:47 PM
I do like that Hattori handle profile, but they are pretty proud of those knives if you look at the pricing compared to the CarboNext. :D

The Hattori isn't super popular but I love mine and I wouldn't swap it for anything. I say just get a Carbonext, it should give you what you need. Most Western handles are very much the same, and it costs a lot less than most. Add to that the fact that it is a great knife and I think that's your number one choice

jmforge
12-07-2011, 06:52 PM
The think about the Hattori is that it is not the typical riveted slab Western handle.
The Hattori isn't super popular but I love mine and I wouldn't swap it for anything. I say just get a Carbonext, it should give you what you need. Most Western handles are very much the same, and it costs a lot less than most. Add to that the fact that it is a great knife and I think that's your number one choice

jmforge
12-07-2011, 07:12 PM
The smart handles seem to add quite a bit to the price of any of these knives and that makes sense. Mo' work, mo' money.
Whats your budget? Iconic grinding and smart handles don't come cheap!

bcrano
12-08-2011, 01:17 AM
I have a Hattori that I love as well. It was my first j knife. I was using it for dinner tonight and it keeps showing me new things, new facets.