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mr drinky
01-20-2012, 03:53 PM
I was wondering what the best value knife on the market is just from a steel perspective. I don't care if the handle/FF is below average or if I have to work on the edge a bit. I am looking a blade to grow into with some elbow-grease edge work and also worthy of handle replacement that will make it glow.

k.

chazmtb
01-20-2012, 04:14 PM
If you can get it, the Miyabi Morimoto 8" or 10" gyuto from Amazon for 70-80 bucks going on right now. The 10" may be sold out though. I love the profile, and just got a 10 inch as my take along to another house knife.

Timthebeaver
01-20-2012, 04:18 PM
Takagi makes a 200-something dollar Honyaki which is sold at japanwoodworker which is pretty rough and ready by all accounts. I like my Sugimoto 210 (195) wa gyuto which is I'd say is untouchable in the stainless laser class.

mr drinky
01-20-2012, 04:56 PM
Thanks for the recs, and I forgot about those Takagi honyaki knives at JWW.

k.

bikehunter
01-20-2012, 05:09 PM
If you can get it, the Miyabi Morimoto 8" or 10" gyuto from Amazon for 70-80 bucks going on right now. The 10" may be sold out though. I love the profile, and just got a 10 inch as my take along to another house knife.

Do I recall correctly that this series is VG10?

Lefty
01-20-2012, 05:20 PM
If we're talking Miyabi, you've got to think 7000MCD line is an insane value (zdp-189, at 66HRC) and the 6000S is a very good value (German steel, to 57HRC), but not as good as the 7000D (VG10, brought to 60HRC).
to be honest, they seem to be a great buy in most of their chef knives, but not quite so much when it comes to the other styles.

stevenStefano
01-20-2012, 05:28 PM
The Sakai Yusuke White #2 knives are awesome value. Fit and finish is pretty much perfect and they have great geometry. They aren't really rough and ready though

bikehunter
01-20-2012, 05:35 PM
So, am I understanding the the 600s, since it is German steel, is NOT VG10 If not, is "German" steel all we know about it? I'm sure the MCD line is a great knife but it appears to be three times+ the price of the 600s. Correct me it I'm wrong.

Lefty
01-20-2012, 05:41 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just the same old Henckels steel, but brought to a slightly harder finish. I might be wrong...
However, on cutleryandmore, the 7000MCD 8" gyuto is/was $149!

bikehunter
01-20-2012, 05:43 PM
Thx Lefty. If it's the same old Henckels steel, why is it any better than a....well...Henckels. ;-)

Lefty
01-20-2012, 05:56 PM
Easy!
1) No finger guard
2) Profile
3) Morimoto personally blesses each knife with eel blood

Andrew H
01-20-2012, 05:58 PM
Easy!
1) No finger guard
2) Profile
3) Morimoto personally blesses each knife with eel blood

4) Geometry

Lefty
01-20-2012, 05:59 PM
That was supposed to be 3) :D

James
01-20-2012, 06:01 PM
Takagi makes a 200-something dollar Honyaki which is sold at japanwoodworker which is pretty rough and ready by all accounts. I like my Sugimoto 210 (195) wa gyuto which is I'd say is untouchable in the stainless laser class.

beautiful knife, but it needs quite a few hours of work. Even after 10-15 hours of work, I'm still getting wedging issues with carrots. Potatoes are completely fine though

GlassEye
01-20-2012, 06:05 PM
I have a couple of Tanaka aoniko damascus knives, with buffalo horn/ho wood handles, they were less than $80 a piece shipped. They just need a little work with sandpaper, and some time on the stones; they hold an edge longer than my shironiko knives, a pretty good value I think.

How are the Takagi honyaki knives, I might need to get one of the 300mm yanagiba.

bikehunter
01-20-2012, 06:11 PM
4) Geometry

Thanks, Andrew. I have half dozen Japanese knives and a couple three Western knive with no obnoxious bolster, so I sorta knew that, but the eel blood aspect really piques my interest. ;-)

chazmtb
01-20-2012, 06:26 PM
Do I recall correctly that this series is VG10?

Yes. Vg10. Profile and handle very close to the hattori fh forum knife. Damascus clad. The 5000 series is the cheap German steel.