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Andreas
01-21-2012, 04:59 PM
Hello, I was just wondering about something. I was closely inspecting my Carter 6.6 fun and noticed when I lay the blade on a flat surface there is about a 2 mm curve in the blade. It doesn't lay flat. Is this normal or acceptable? I love the knife but don't want to spend that much money on a knife if it shouldn't be like that. What should I do? Thanks, Andreas

Benuser
01-21-2012, 05:22 PM
If you mean that one side is not flat while the other is: great to hear so. If both were flat the knife would wedge. Therefore they are not symmetric. Would you mean however that the edge isn't straight, that would be a serious flaw that makes the knife almost unusable.

James
01-21-2012, 05:22 PM
I think this is due to the convex grind of the knife; a knife with said grind is preferable, as it mitigates food stickage. I'm pretty sure this is normal

stevenStefano
01-21-2012, 05:24 PM
Are you referring to laying the knife flat on its side or putting the bevel on a flat surface?

Andreas
01-21-2012, 05:29 PM
When I lay the blade flat on its side it rocks back and forth. Doesn't that mean the blade is not straight? I'm worried

EdipisReks
01-21-2012, 05:32 PM
does it rock spine to edge? does it seem to rock spine to edge all over both sides of the blade? if so, that's a convex grind.

ThEoRy
01-21-2012, 05:33 PM
Can you post a few pics?

Eamon Burke
01-21-2012, 06:25 PM
Pics! It's probably ok though.

SpikeC
01-21-2012, 07:32 PM
What happens when you lay it on the other side?

Andreas
01-21-2012, 10:06 PM
It happens on both sides from spine to edge.

Eamon Burke
01-21-2012, 10:20 PM
Congratulations, you are the owner of a masterfully convex ground funayuki from Murray Carter.

Enjoy the food not stacking and the ease of cutting hard fruits and veggies.

Pensacola Tiger
01-21-2012, 10:30 PM
It happens on both sides from spine to edge.

Then, as Eamon has said, your knife is fine. You want to have a convexity from the spine to the edge to help food release.

A bent knife would show itself as a curving spine, where the tip bends to one side or the other.

Is this making sense to you?

SpikeC
01-21-2012, 10:45 PM
If it is symmetrical it is supposed to be that way.

Lefty
01-22-2012, 12:13 AM
Honest question. I'm glad the guys have cleared it up.
By the way, congrats again on a great knife.

Andreas
01-22-2012, 08:45 AM
Thank you but I think I have explained myself wrong. When I lay the blade only on a flat surface it rocks from tip to we're bolster starts. Length wise rocking

Candlejack
01-22-2012, 08:56 AM
Thank you but I think I have explained myself wrong. When I lay the blade only on a flat surface it rocks from tip to we're bolster starts. Length wise rocking

So it's not straight, the blade has been bent?

Post a pic please to see how serious it is

Pensacola Tiger
01-22-2012, 10:03 AM
Hello, I was just wondering about something. I was closely inspecting my Carter 6.6 fun and noticed when I lay the blade on a flat surface there is about a 2 mm curve in the blade. It doesn't lay flat. Is this normal or acceptable? I love the knife but don't want to spend that much money on a knife if it shouldn't be like that. What should I do? Thanks, Andreas


When I lay the blade flat on its side it rocks back and forth. Doesn't that mean the blade is not straight? I'm worried


It happens on both sides from spine to edge.


Thank you but I think I have explained myself wrong. When I lay the blade only on a flat surface it rocks from tip to we're bolster starts. Length wise rocking

Andreas,

A little clarification, please.

You say that there is "... about a 2 mm curve in the blade" and that "It happens on both sides from spine to edge." It can't be both. If the blade is bent, it is bent to one side or the other. You should be a able to detect this just by sighting down the blade.

If you want, take a straightedge (a carpenter's square is good, but anything that has a good, straight edge will do), put the blade up against it so that the end is square to the bolster/ferrule. Note the size of the gap at the tip. Then do the same to the other side. If the gaps differ in size, or if you have a gap on one side but not on the other, then the blade has a curve to it. This isn't acceptable in any knife and you should take this up with Carter Cutlery.

On the other hand, if the gaps are the same size (you don't have to measure them - eyeballing is good enough to tell), then the rocking you detect may be from a high spot in the hammered surface that is part of the forging process.

Rick

Andreas
01-22-2012, 12:20 PM
Do I lay the edge on the flat surface or the spine

Pensacola Tiger
01-22-2012, 12:26 PM
Do I lay the edge on the flat surface or the spine

On the flat surface of the knife.

Here's a pic I just took of my Carter funayuki, showing the "gap" at the tip:

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Carter%20HG%20Funayuki/a2e2c096.jpg

Rick

Lefty
01-22-2012, 12:35 PM
Is it, perhaps, distal taper that is making the tip look elevated off the table? It's thinner at the tip, and with the weight of the handle holding the heel area down, maybe it looks off, when it's really just a properly ground knife.

Pensacola Tiger
01-22-2012, 12:37 PM
Is it, perhaps, distal taper that is making the tip look elevated off the table? It's thinner at the tip, and with the weight of the handle holding the heel area down, maybe it looks off, when it's really just a properly ground knife.

It likely is distal taper, but my HG funayuki doesn't "rock", at least not that way.

Lefty
01-22-2012, 12:57 PM
When in doubt, call the maker. He has a very good track record of fixing problems.

RRE-SHARP
01-22-2012, 02:10 PM
All forged knives on a microscopic level "rock". If both of the sides rock, I would assume the convex grind would be the suspect. If the knife only rocks on one side, then apart from it being a Japanese style blade, I would say you got a problem. If this were true, your knife should react and repel whatever it is you cut in an unsual fashion. You would pick up on this minute rocking while prepping. I would prep a solid hour with another knife that is manufactured like an INOX Suisin Western and then compare the knifes characteristics with your "rocking"knife.

Andreas
01-22-2012, 05:46 PM
I have used and measured in all directions and different ways and the blade does not look straight to me. Here are some pics on a level board with one single finger pressure applied to the center of the knife. Am I being picky or is the knife curved? Sorry how do I upload images?

EdipisReks
01-22-2012, 05:49 PM
use an image host like imageshack.us

Pensacola Tiger
01-22-2012, 05:50 PM
Don't apply any pressure.

The FAQ for images is here: http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_attachment s

Andreas
01-22-2012, 06:08 PM
I can't post pics. No attachment posting permission for some reason

Eamon Burke
01-22-2012, 06:21 PM
Just upload them to Picasa, imageshack, photobucket, or whatever. Then right click and copy the image url and come here and click the square button with a tree in it, select "from url" and uncheck "upload and reference locally". paste the url into the box, and that's it.

I really want to see this.

Andreas
01-22-2012, 08:38 PM
Can I email it to you

EdipisReks
01-22-2012, 08:39 PM
just upload the stupid picture to imageshack (http://imageshack.us/) and copy and paste the url into a post.

SpikeC
01-22-2012, 08:49 PM
Now now, try to be patient.

EdipisReks
01-22-2012, 08:52 PM
patience is a virtue i don't have time for.

Eamon Burke
01-22-2012, 09:16 PM
Can I email it to you

sure, why not:
burkecutlery@gmail.com

EdipisReks
01-22-2012, 09:18 PM
perhaps you can upload and post it, Eamon.

Johnny.B.Good
01-22-2012, 09:19 PM
patience is a virtue i don't have time for.

I'm not even sure it's a virtue. ;)

SpikeC
01-22-2012, 09:24 PM
It's a fine line........

Benuser
01-22-2012, 09:30 PM
It's a fine line........
Is that about virtue or about patience?

kalaeb
01-22-2012, 10:01 PM
Here is my .02 cents...even if we don't think there is an issue,there will always be that small doubt in the back of your mind that will always bug you. Since that doubt will always be nagging, send it back. I have heard that Murray is great to deal with...if not anything else, drop him a line and ask.

SpikeC
01-22-2012, 10:18 PM
I wonder how the knife is to cut with. It is easy to get hung up on something, but the proof is in the pudding. If it works it's ok.

Pensacola Tiger
01-22-2012, 10:24 PM
I wonder how the knife is to cut with. It is easy to get hung up on something, but the proof is in the pudding. If it works it's ok.

I got a Hiromoto sujihiki from Koki a few years ago that had a bend in it that displaced the tip 4mm at the end. It cut OK, but I still sent it back.

Benuser
01-22-2012, 11:02 PM
Sharpening of a bent knife is not exactly funny, and the bend will cause lateral forces during normal use. You were very right to send it back.

Andreas
01-23-2012, 07:46 PM
Ok, I sent the knife back today and Jon from Carter knife told me that Murray will just bend it back into shape. I'm pretty new to knives but that just doesn't sound good. Is that a normal practice or should I be concerned? It took me awhile to save for this knife so I want a perfect knife! Please any help

tk59
01-23-2012, 08:16 PM
This is common practice. I've bent a number of knives back to more or less true. It's not good to do it a lot but a one time fix is not a big deal. If the knife is bent a lot (like 90 deg), that's bad no matter how you cut it.

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 08:26 PM
not a big deal.

SpikeC
01-23-2012, 08:44 PM
Get a Forschner.:D

Lefty
01-23-2012, 08:47 PM
I'm starting to think this knife is going to make you nervous....

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 08:48 PM
I'm starting to think this knife is going to make you nervous....

he should probably sell it to you, right? ;)

tk59
01-23-2012, 08:51 PM
...Jon from Carter knife told me that Murray will just bend it back into shape...Surely, you meant Jason.

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 09:02 PM
Surely, you meant Jason.

Westerners who sell Japanese style knives all blend together. ;)

JBroida
01-23-2012, 09:10 PM
yup... normal part of the process

SpikeC
01-23-2012, 09:29 PM
Butt serially, if Murray says he can fix it, he can fix it.

Lefty
01-23-2012, 09:54 PM
Hahaha. Yup, sell it to me for a big discount.
Westerners, he says.... :D

Andreas
01-23-2012, 10:05 PM
Ok ok! How can a blade be bent 90%? Anyway I'll just see what Carter says and trust his expertise.....

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 10:06 PM
Ok ok! How can a blade be bent 90%?

w t f

ejd53
01-23-2012, 10:15 PM
I believe he means 90 degrees. Part of the Bladesmith tests.

Eamon Burke
01-23-2012, 10:25 PM
Seriously. Murray is no quack. Far from it. The guy is a little over-specific in his approaches to knives, and a bit kooky with his marketing, but when it comes to banging out excellent knives, he is one of the few. If Murray told me he was going to fix an overgrind by using a microwave, I'd believe him.

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 10:27 PM
I believe he means 90 degrees. Part of the Bladesmith tests.

oh. who cares, then.

Andreas
01-23-2012, 10:46 PM
Give me a break. I thought you senior members were here to help us newbies? Thank you

Lefty
01-23-2012, 10:49 PM
Don't take it the wrong way. We're basically all saying, "trust Murray".

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 10:51 PM
Give me a break. I thought you senior members were here to help us newbies? Thank you

hard to help without a picture posted.

Andreas
01-23-2012, 11:05 PM
How does one bend a Murray 6.6 fun in a 90 degree angle?

EdipisReks
01-23-2012, 11:05 PM
a vise and an enthusiast.

Eamon Burke
01-23-2012, 11:07 PM
cheater bar.

Pensacola Tiger
01-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Give me a break. I thought you senior members were here to help us newbies? Thank you

All kidding aside, Andreas, Murray Carter is a standup guy, and he'll treat you OK. It's his reputation at stake, so he's not going to let an issue go unresolved.

We've all been hoping that a pic of the problem child would be posted, either by you or a "surrogate" so we can see the problem. Sort of like an CT scan for a surgeon. Written descriptions just aren't that useful.

Bottom line, your knife needs to be straight, with no bends, warps or twists. Anything less isn't acceptable. None of us would tolerate it in a new knife.

Keep us posted on how it goes, if you would.

Rick

Johnny.B.Good
01-24-2012, 12:47 AM
...if Murray says he can fix it, he can fix it.

Assuming there is actually anything wrong with it to begin with, but yes, I agree.

Andreas
01-24-2012, 08:51 PM
Why in posting permissions does it say o am not aloud to post attachments? Thanks again everyone

SpikeC
01-24-2012, 08:59 PM
kuz yer not kwiet enuff

Pensacola Tiger
01-24-2012, 09:02 PM
Why in posting permissions does it say o am not aloud to post attachments? Thanks again everyone

I think you have to be a "Site Supporter" or vendor/hobbyist to get that ability.

Do as has been suggested: Upload your pics to Picasa or Photobucket or other site and reference the URL in your post as outlined in the FAQs.