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mr drinky
02-03-2012, 11:08 PM
A couple of years ago someone advertised on KF (I think) that they wanted to buy a Hattori KD and it worked, so I am trying it. I am sure someone out there has some CowryX just lying in a drawer not being used.

k.

tk59
02-03-2012, 11:36 PM
:rofl2: Hey, I didn't roll my eyes.

mr drinky
02-03-2012, 11:38 PM
Ok, maybe I should have said, "Don't wet yourself."

k.

Lefty
02-03-2012, 11:42 PM
I keep my Cowry-X next to my kryptonite knife. ;) Just kidding. Seriously, good luck! I hope you find one to get for yourself. That would be pretty cool :)

Johnny.B.Good
02-03-2012, 11:42 PM
A couple of years ago someone advertised on KF (I think) that they wanted to buy a Hattori KD and it worked, so I am trying it.

I'm pretty sure I saw the thread you're talking about (it was on KF) and was surprised that it appeared to work. No reason this won't. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but who knows...

That said, you're not alone in this effort.

http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/4867-WTB-a-Hattori-KD31-Santoku?p=77284&viewfull=1#post77284

tkern
02-04-2012, 12:09 AM
I also know what thread you're talking about but know a little bit more about it. The deal fell through. Both sides balked. Said KD is still out there living on the fence.

mr drinky
02-04-2012, 12:11 AM
Seriously? I need to dig deeper.

k.

tkern
02-04-2012, 12:15 AM
The problem is that Hattori, unfortunately, doesn't have long on this earth. No more KDs are being made. So to find one for $1200 isn't going to happen and those that have one are either keeping them for a while to see if price skyrockets. Or they're keeping them because they're just badass.

mr drinky
02-04-2012, 12:27 AM
The problem is that Hattori, unfortunately, doesn't have long on this earth. No more KDs are being made. So to find one for $1200 isn't going to happen and those that have one are either keeping them for a while to see if price skyrockets. Or they're keeping them because they're just badass.

Yeah, I can see that, but life changes too (for everyone). Just sent a PM to the guy from KF. He probably won't respond, but if he does and the sale goes through, one day I will probably sell the knife and pass it along to another eager knife knut. I'm getting to that point. Try things, keep some, share with friends, then sell....start all over again.

k.

EDIT: I notice you are in the AO as the KD. Have you seen it?

tkern
02-04-2012, 12:50 AM
AO? Yes, I've seen it, held it with awe, and tried to convince my Hattori FH that it has nothing to be jealous of.

mr drinky
02-04-2012, 12:54 AM
AO? Yes, I've seen it, held it with awe, and tried to convince my Hattori FH that it has nothing to be jealous of.

AO = Area of Operation. Cool that you have seen it, and my best to the owner. Bravo.

k.

tkern
02-04-2012, 01:00 AM
I might cut chives with it tomorrow, laugh maniacally for a few seconds, then weep softly when I have to hand it back.

Deckhand
02-04-2012, 01:09 AM
Good luck : )

TB_London
02-04-2012, 09:14 AM
Good luck, i managed to snag Salty's gyuto when he put it up for sale a while back. Love that knife, doubt i'll keep it forever, but i know if i pass it on i won't see one again. That being said, for the money its comparable to a custom damascus from Devin, Burke, Rader, Catcheside etc.
When i was chatting to the sharpeners in the knife shop in town they said theyve seem quite a few of them and hate sharpening them, IMO they aren't great at their job they had a couple of badly dished king stones and a Tormek on the side, but i could ask if they'll let me put up a wanted sign? The owner will probably have never seen it properly sharp and won't know much about it other than it was expensive, so may work.....

tk59
02-04-2012, 11:10 AM
Sounds like a plan!

mr drinky
02-04-2012, 02:18 PM
...but i could ask if they'll let me put up a wanted sign? The owner will probably have never seen it properly sharp and won't know much about it other than it was expensive, so may work.....

If you are willing, sure. It would be interesting to see if something turns up.

k.

Dave Martell
02-04-2012, 06:55 PM
I'm not a believer of hype, in fact I'm somewhat skeptical of most things, however I believe in those KD's to be exactly what they're made out to be. From my perspective they're extremely easy to get fantastic edges on (even in the hands of a new sharpener) and by every account I've heard such glowing praise of edge retention that it just has to be (somewhat) true. Add in that they feel good in the hand and look fantastic and this just makes for a well rounded package. Now are they worth the $$? I don't know about that but they sure are very nice factory knives.

Tristan
02-04-2012, 10:46 PM
I know in Japan you could still get them in Kappabashi for around $2.6K for a gyuto if you wanted... But for that money I passed. I've been waiting on a KD for ever.

RRLOVER
02-04-2012, 11:09 PM
SH!!!!T.........I knew I should of held on to my KD a bit longer:beatinghead: There is always ZDP189!

mr drinky
02-05-2012, 12:54 AM
I'm not a believer of hype, in fact I'm somewhat skeptical of most things, however I believe in those KD's to be exactly what they're made out to be. From my perspective they're extremely easy to get fantastic edges on (even in the hands of a new sharpener) and by every account I've heard such glowing praise of edge retention that it just has to be (somewhat) true. Add in that they feel good in the hand and look fantastic and this just makes for a well rounded package. Now are they worth the $$? I don't know about that but they sure are very nice factory knives.

I know that words hurt but here are some of Dave's posts on KD (sorry Dave for the reposts). Forums are history.

http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/1047-Hattori-KD?p=13384&viewfull=1#post13384

http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/2704-Which-stainless-can-attain-the-highest-level-of-sharpness?p=40922&viewfull=1#post40922

k.

Pensacola Tiger
02-07-2012, 05:02 PM
A 210 gyuto and 150 petty just went up.

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/919633/

mr drinky
02-07-2012, 06:25 PM
Interesting, thanks for the heads up. I sent a PM but the price seems a bit high (for used), and I was really looking for a 240. The EE Hattori KD 210 is $200 more expensive than Koki lists. Is that normal for EE to boost the price, but lord knows when Koki last filled an order (or EE for that matter).

And btw Dave, sorry for being an a-hole on my last post. I think I had been drinking. Never drink and post.

k.

EdipisReks
02-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Never drink and post.

oh, pffft. half of my posts are the way they are because of drinking and posting, and that's the way i like it.

chuck239
02-07-2012, 09:43 PM
Interesting, thanks for the heads up. I sent a PM but the price seems a bit high (for used), and I was really looking for a 240. The EE Hattori KD 210 is $200 more expensive than Koki lists. Is that normal for EE to boost the price, but lord knows when Koki last filled an order (or EE for that matter).

k.

Not to be an ass but are you expecting to find one discounted because it is lightly used? It's a knife that is no longer made and I would expect the price to be higher then it was originally purchased for.

-Chuck

mr drinky
02-07-2012, 11:01 PM
Not to be an ass but are you expecting to find one discounted because it is lightly used? It's a knife that is no longer made and I would expect the price to be higher then it was originally purchased for.

-Chuck

No, I am not looking to find something discounted and on the cheap, but a 210 is probably not the most highly sought after size and bumping it up from the EE price because of 'demand' is one thing, but he actually bumped it up to $1,700 (that is roughly a 70% increase over Koki's price). Plus he is an unknown seller.

k.

SpikeC
02-07-2012, 11:30 PM
with a chipped blade!

chuck239
02-08-2012, 02:12 AM
I know how much he wanted for it because I also sent him a PT about it. The last the knives were selling from my knowledge was from EE for almost $1300. $1700 is a bit of a mark up but for a knife that is very rare and you cant buy anymore a 30% mark up really isn't that crazy. If I had bought one back in the day, I'd be hoping for the same kinda price now. I agree that I'd much prefer a 240 and sooner or later I want to get my hands on one. Sorry if my comments annoyed you at all.

-Chuck

Justin0505
02-08-2012, 03:16 AM
I was always a bit captivated by these knives, but wonder how amazing they really are. Every PM that I've tried so far just hasn't lived up to the hype, they've all been good at getting very sharp(with a lot of work) but seem too lose their first 10-20% of sharpness as fast or faster than most carbons or even high grade semi-stainless. They do hang onto that 85-80% sharp edge for a crazy long time, but who here really settles for a "B" quality edge? They also don't touch easily up or bounce back to 90-95% sharp like many carbon's do.

I've heard claims that Hattori and his magic treatment of his magically formulated crowy-x results in the best PM blade of all, but I just can't help but feel a bit skeptical. Yeah, the FF looks amazing and they really are beautiful designed... and if you think of it that way, you are getting a very rare, custom-level knife, for price comparable with a rare, custom level knife from a top maker (don't know what Burke is currently up to, but I bet it's close, and I've seen damy or rare Carter's hit that mark or more).
So, I don't think that the price is unreasonable, but curiosity is they only think that would ever make me consider it vs any of the other options.


Also, apparently "blwchef" on KF also has one. However, he didn't really include much detail in his review other than he really loves it... but a PM never hurts.
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/760457/ (it's near the top of the list).

also, this post needs more pictures:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/blwchef/HattoriKD001.jpg

oivind_dahle
02-08-2012, 06:03 AM
Id rahter go Devin Thomas or Bill Burke.

mr drinky
02-08-2012, 06:42 AM
The one thing I will add is that even though the KDs are rare, I am not totally convinced they are going to hold their price. The allure of PM steels seems to be less and there are way more knifemakers out there now that can produce great knives at a comparable or lower price. When someone asks for $1,700 they are only really speaking to knifeknuts and we all do the calculation in our heads and ask ourselves: Would we rather get a Devin, Burke, Rodrigue or another maker on this forum to produce something? And since the KDs have become rare, a lot of them have become drawer queens, and frankly few people talk about actually using them any more.

k.

Candlejack
02-08-2012, 06:44 AM
And personally, i think the KD's are plain ugly. There, i said it.

mr drinky
02-08-2012, 07:16 AM
And personally, i think the KD's are plain ugly. There, i said it.

LOL. Way to speak your mind.

But with that said, I have to agree partly in that even though I do like the KD damascus I liked it a lot more 3-4 years ago. And these days my favorite look is a well-patina'ed carbon :)

k.

oivind_dahle
02-08-2012, 09:48 AM
..a lot of them have become drawer queens, and frankly few people talk about actually using them any more.



Reminds me about the discussion about cramers. What do you want, a superhot girlfriend you can show around but never f*ck or would you have a superhot GF that whips your ass in the bedrom? I know for sure what I prefer :)

Justin0505
02-08-2012, 03:54 PM
... hot GF that whips your ass in the bedrom? I know for sure what I prefer :)

Sounds they must have made these smilies just for Oivind: :fishslap::spankarse:
So do you prefer the fish-club or branch? OH wait, I bet I know: custom stainless damascus paddle w/exotic wood handle!

Peco
02-08-2012, 03:57 PM
Why all this hype?

mr drinky
02-08-2012, 09:25 PM
Btw, I did write Koki about the Hattori KDs. That guy is awesome. I just wanted to double check the idea that these are no longer being produced.

Here is what Koki sent:

"Mr. Hattori is over 70 years old now. There is possibility his health condition might affect a lot for the delivery situation of KD kitchen knives. in future. Recently his health condition is not so good as before. In year 2010 & 2011, we regret Hattori could not produce any of KD kitchen knives. Making KD Kitchen knives requires so much additional process and requires large energy.

But Mr. Hattori himself is still working hard from early morning on every business day. (But sometimes he has to go to see doctor).

Recently Mr. Hattori is spending more time for teaching his technique and skills to young craftsmen.

We really wish his good health and good life, and hope he can produce more beautiful masterpieces in the future. (But so far, Hattori KD kitchen knives cannot be available easily in this year too.)"

k.

Deckhand
02-09-2012, 09:12 PM
Btw, I did write Koki about the Hattori KDs. That guy is awesome. I just wanted to double check the idea that these are no longer being produced.

Here is what Koki sent:

"Mr. Hattori is over 70 years old now. There is possibility his health condition might affect a lot for the delivery situation of KD kitchen knives. in future. Recently his health condition is not so good as before. In year 2010 & 2011, we regret Hattori could not produce any of KD kitchen knives. Making KD Kitchen knives requires so much additional process and requires large energy.

But Mr. Hattori himself is still working hard from early morning on every business day. (But sometimes he has to go to see doctor).

Recently Mr. Hattori is spending more time for teaching his technique and skills to young craftsmen.

We really wish his good health and good life, and hope he can produce more beautiful masterpieces in the future. (But so far, Hattori KD kitchen knives cannot be available easily in this year too.)"

k.

Yep I am on the list myself. He sends that out as a form letter to all of us knife knuts.

vlad
02-20-2012, 05:11 PM
Well (gulp) there's two (gulp) over at another forum (gulp). But really ... LINK (http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/919633/)

mr drinky
02-21-2012, 01:58 AM
Yeah, there was another thread on KKF (http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/4968-hat-KD-s) around the time I posted this and I subsequently wrote him. He was asking too much. I think it is interesting that they still are available but call me crazy, I actually think KDs are going to come DOWN in price. The guy selling them clearly overpriced them IMO. Let's face it between custom makers, Jon at JKI and re-sales, we have a dozen of options per month that are better values. After giving up on the KDs, I bought a custom instead, and I am positive that I will never regret it.

k.

oivind_dahle
02-21-2012, 05:31 AM
custom?
More info plz

ejd53
02-21-2012, 09:46 AM
Honestly, I don't think I will ever get a Japanese made knife. I have made a decision to buy only custom knives from makers on this board (and I have 7 on order atm) for two reasons. First, I believe it is important to support the artists (I was going to say craftsmen, but really, after seeing some of the examples of their work, artists fits much better) who are so willing to donate their time and knowledge to helping novices like me, and second, I can see no way that the knives produced in Japan will be measurably superior to those made here. So, if the grass really isn't any greener, why go anywhere else. (Requisite disclaimer: this is :my2cents:)

mr drinky
02-21-2012, 10:16 AM
I have made a decision to buy only custom knives from makers on this board...it is important to support the artists...

I fully agree. I have 10 knives from board makers and 4 on order -- but with Jon peddling his crack cocaine blades, I will never say never ;)

k.

oivind_dahle
02-21-2012, 10:53 AM
Custom takes time :)
Im still waiting for mine :)
worth every penny

ejd53
02-21-2012, 04:02 PM
I fully agree. I have 10 knives from board makers and 4 on order -- but with Jon peddling his crack cocaine blades, I will never say never ;)

k.

I have to admit, the temptation to join the dark side can be strong at times.