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maxim
02-08-2012, 06:32 PM
I just finished this blog about Jnats Soaking with help of my friend in English

Soaking J-nats

This subject has been mentioned by many internet vendors recently! So I want to clarify what I think about it :)

Some think J-nats canít be soaked, others think they can.

I only speak from my own experience and discussions with my stone suppliers. I do believe you can soak your J-nats to no ill effect. Remember, I never say you have to! Itís your stone and your decision. :)

If you want to use distilled water, please use it; I donít, but I will not tell you its correct or incorrect use.
I hate to listen to stone wholesalers and vendors who think, and say, they know how I should use my own J-nats. No, I like to experiment and try to get the best out of my stones! But of coarse it has to be for the right task, and is not for every stone!

For knife sharpening, soaking stones can be a good idea because it helps the scratchiness of some very hard finishing stones. For razor or tool honing I donít see any advantage to soaking stones. Razors are usually made from only hard steel. The exception is on Kamisori razors, and even on them, the soft steel part is so small that you donít need to worry about it too much! Tools are usually scratched up anyway, and sometimes even hammered on the softer steel. But still, some carpenters in Japan soak their J-nats too, so they donít scratch their tools.

Soaking stones is actually not normal at all in Kyoto, they just donít do it! Only some blacksmiths, sword-polishers, and razor makers in other parts of Japan soak their stones.

Actually, I got this idea from my vendor, who got it from Iwasaki san. He told him super hard stones work better when soaked. This way they donít scratch softer parts of his Razors. But, this is only for use on stones without to many lines or on suitas.

Some of my stones are always soaking; one big Aoto, Ohira Asagi, and some other Asagi stones.

Why, because Aoto is quite porous and always needing extra water. I also use it everyday, so itís easier to be in water all the time.

Although I like to use softer stones for my knives, they do not give that mirror finish like harder stones do. And hard stones often scratch soft cladding on my knives. Although I like the mirror finish of hard stones, I like to use them without scratching the surface of the softer steel.

So my Ohira Asagi, a very hard stone, is soaked a couple of days and the scratchiness disappears from it!!!

It is very disappointing when you do a great polishing job on a sword or very expensive knife, then at the last step to mirror polish Hagane, you cause a couple of big scratches from very hard stones. The only thing to do is start all over again!

Thatís why some good knife polishers, sword polishers, and even Iwasaki soaks stones.

In this video you see all Natural stones seems to be soaked !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-B7ACeHvSSM#t=545s

And how about this picture of some Uchigomori stones:
http://www.wajuku.jp/index.php/archives/1880

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They will not dissolve, or be weaker, like some people say. I had good quality Asagi in water for 3 years now, and nothing has happened to it. It still works great, maybe even better than before. But, it has to be sealed on the bottom and sides with shellac, to be totally sure it will not crack. I recommend sealing the sides and bottoms of all stones no matter soaking preference. This provides better support for any lines/faults that may be in the stone and cause weak points. This is especially important for soft stones like Aotos and Hakkas.

I have handled over 1,000 J-nats now, and I have never seen one get cracks or lines because of water, only on some really soft stones like Aotos or Hakkas.

So there you have it, why I sometimes soak my stones. Some are not soaked, like my stones for razors or tools.

If you think itís too risky donít do it, because only you can make that decision for your stones! But, remember, crossing the street is risky, you may be hit by a car, but we do it anyway so we can see what it is on the other side. :D

To say you canít soak a J-nat, is just a wrong statement !!!

EdipisReks
02-08-2012, 08:43 PM
i just received my first j-nat today, a lv4.5 shoubudani asagi, and this is nice to know! i have mounted mine to a cedar plank, so obviously i wasn't going to soak it permanently, but i was wondering if it was okay to keep it wet for long periods.

Johnny.B.Good
02-08-2012, 09:50 PM
i just received my first j-nat today, a lv4.5 shoubudani asagi, and this is nice to know! i have mounted mine to a cedar plank, so obviously i wasn't going to soak it permanently, but i was wondering if it was okay to keep it wet for long periods.

Let's see it.

http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/3782-EdipisReks-knives

mainaman
02-08-2012, 10:30 PM
i just received my first j-nat today, a lv4.5 shoubudani asagi, and this is nice to know! i have mounted mine to a cedar plank, so obviously i wasn't going to soak it permanently, but i was wondering if it was okay to keep it wet for long periods.
Yes it is ok, make sure to seal it just in case though.
I personally do not soak my stones, but I use them almost every day so they get wet a lot. I have also soaked most of them for 4 days just to see what happens, they are safe and sound and still perform like they should.

Drybonz
02-16-2012, 01:38 AM
I recently purchased a JNS 1000 synthetic. I have not been soaking it full-time, but I was curious as to whether anyone who is using this stone keeps it in water.

Thanks.

schanop
02-16-2012, 04:17 AM
JNS 1k can live in the bucket. Mine has been there for many weeks already.

Dave Martell
02-16-2012, 12:26 PM
This is a good post Maksim. I too have been a believer in soaking to test the effects and in almost all cases at least some soaking makes the stone perform better. Some stone start to get too soft or melt apart but then we learn not to long soak them - no big deal. It's definitely worth trying be it synthetic or natural.

Drybonz
02-16-2012, 04:25 PM
JNS 1k can live in the bucket. Mine has been there for many weeks already.

Thanks for the reply. I'm going to give it a shot.

Halicon
04-07-2012, 06:56 AM
Hmm, didn't Iwasaki switch over to the Shapton 30k quite a while ago? I believe he doesn't use nats at all on his kamisori anymore. I never soak my stones, the less water the better which is why we lacquer finishing stones so that they only accept water from the face/surface.

Hard stones such as Asagi of various kinds, Ozuku's, various Shiki-Suita and Okudo Suita becomes easier to work with, but they will loose some of the fineness and accuracy since the stone softens up and allows for more errors by the user.

maxim
04-07-2012, 07:08 AM
It is your personal choice with soaking Jnats :)
I know that many do, some do not.

Halicon
04-07-2012, 08:33 AM
Absolutely! I apologize if I made it out to sound like not soaking is superior or not, it's subjective and up to each user as is everything with Jnats. :)

I meant it easy-going that the hardest Asagi's, Ozuku and such are much more friendly to work with when soaked, they give the user more room to relax and appreciate the process instead of struggle with the ruthlessness of the hard stone. It's all up to the user like you say :)

maxim
04-07-2012, 08:38 AM
You’re totally right :)

Justin0505
04-14-2012, 12:35 PM
Thanks for the great post Maxim!
I think that,at first, many people are afraid to experiment with precious things that they do not fully understand -i know i sure was with my first good knives and jnats.

This post gave me better understanding and courage to play with and enjoy my jnats.