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Amon-Rukh
02-29-2012, 03:14 PM
Inspired in part by our wonderful ugliest. knife. ever. thread and as a big fan of horror stories, movies etc., I thought it might be fun/awful to have a thread dedicated to some of the worst things we encounter out there. :shocked3:

First up, a pair of pictures of one of my fiancee's former roommate's knives. Not too horrifying at first, but then again, this was after just a few weeks of use....
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x103/eavarela/2012-02-29124329.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x103/eavarela/horror3.jpg

Last weekend I did some dog-sitting for a friend of a colleague. My first thought on entering the kitchen at this person's house was "Cool--look at all that cast iron! And is that a chinese cleaver? Awesome!" Then I got closer to it and saw things for what they really were. The cast iron cookware (sorry, no pics, but if I'm ever over there again, I'll try and sneak some) had not been used in so long (ever?) that the dust was caked on to the point where I couldn't wipe it off with my finger. As for the knives...

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x103/eavarela/horrortips.jpg
Not sure what this person typically cuts, but apparently it breaks the tips off of any knife it comes in contact with.

And then there was the cleaver, errr... saw?
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x103/eavarela/horrorblade.jpg

macmiddlebrooks
02-29-2012, 07:23 PM
horrors!

Deckhand
02-29-2012, 07:30 PM
That's horrible. Must have been a great choice of cutting surface.

DeepCSweede
02-29-2012, 07:34 PM
I was looking at my brother's JAH's over the weekend and they are in about as bad a shape as the top one - but he has been using them with only a steel for about 15 years. His had no bevel left whatsoever. I may be sucking him into my addiction now. heehehee.

mr drinky
03-01-2012, 07:44 AM
I posted this one about 4 months back. It was at a vacation rental I stayed at.

k.

Iceman91
03-01-2012, 12:11 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65555800@N08/6696572025/

My buddy had this knife for two weeks, left his knife roll at work, came back two days later and it had that huge chip in it.

pumbaa
03-01-2012, 12:25 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65555800@N08/6696572025/

My buddy had this knife for two weeks, left his knife roll at work, came back two days later and it had that huge chip in it.

I would KILL someone. That is insane.

dragonlord
03-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Ouch, did he ever find out who'd used his knives?

Kyle
03-01-2012, 12:59 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65555800@N08/6696572025/

My buddy had this knife for two weeks, left his knife roll at work, came back two days later and it had that huge chip in it.


That is BS. What makes someone think they can use someone else's knives? Honestly, I've never worked in a pro kitchen so I'm not sure what the work environment is like. Does the average cook think a knife is a knife and he just grabbed it because he needed a knife not thinking it was a big deal, or did he think it was a super fancy knife and wanted to try it out?

I run a mechanic shop and all the guys own their own tools, NOBODY just walks over to someone else's tool box and uses a wrench or impact gun without asking first.

mr drinky
03-01-2012, 12:59 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65555800@N08/6696572025/

My buddy had this knife for two weeks, left his knife roll at work, came back two days later and it had that huge chip in it.

You should put a warning about graphic images on that one. That's insane.

k.

Johnny.B.Good
03-01-2012, 01:12 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65555800@N08/6696572025/

My buddy had this knife for two weeks, left his knife roll at work, came back two days later and it had that huge chip in it.

How does something like that happen? Cutting frozen food of some sort? That just seems outrageous. Please tell me the guilty party stepped up and admitted it.

Iceman91
03-01-2012, 01:17 PM
We think that someone maybe tried to open a jar with it? I am not really sure how someone can be so stupid. I know where i work, people know how i take care of my knives and they know not to use them. And nobody admitted to doing it. Luckily for him, Williams Sonoma exchanged it for a new one.

Mike

SameGuy
03-01-2012, 01:23 PM
Pro cooks really shop at WS??? Really?

Johnny.B.Good
03-01-2012, 01:24 PM
So a person had a hard time opening a jar (or whatever), looked around, saw a coworker's knife bag, pulled out his fancy blade, destroyed it, put it back, and pretended like it never happened? If I were your buddy, I would have a hard time showing up to work knowing that someone in the room was capable of that. If I owned the restaurant and found out, I would be tempted to pay someone to administer a polygraph to everyone in the kitchen and fire the guilty party!

Say what you will about Williams-Sonoma, but their customer service is top notch. I wouldn't blame them for refusing to take that back.

Johnny.B.Good
03-01-2012, 01:25 PM
Pro cooks really shop at WS??? Really?

I have been tempted by that knife myself, assuming it is this:

http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/kikuichi-hammered-chefs-knife/?pkey=cchefs-santoku-knives

sachem allison
03-01-2012, 01:41 PM
So a person had a hard time opening a jar (or whatever), looked around, saw a coworker's knife bag, pulled out his fancy blade, destroyed it, put it back, and pretended like it never happened? If I were your buddy, I would have a hard time showing up to work knowing that someone in the room was capable of that. If I owned the restaurant and found out, I would be tempted to pay someone to administer a polygraph to everyone in the kitchen and fire the guilty party!

Say what you will about Williams-Sonoma, but their customer service is top notch. I wouldn't blame them for refusing to take that back.

probably a server or porter, I'm leaning toward server.

Iceman91
03-01-2012, 01:42 PM
Yea i would lose all respect for my coworkers if something like that happened to me. And yup thats the knife, it's actually pretty nice. He brought it over for a test run before it got ruined and i was impressed. I know there are more popular knives for around $300, but i liked it.

Mike

pumbaa
03-01-2012, 01:53 PM
Pro cooks really shop at WS??? Really?

Well we do get a 20% discount and if you need instant gratification then I guess so. We also get discount of 15% at SLT.

Deckhand
03-01-2012, 01:59 PM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/65555800@N08/6696572025/

My buddy had this knife for two weeks, left his knife roll at work, came back two days later and it had that huge chip in it.

Agree with everything said. There should be a graphic warning. Obviously no one would want to work with someone like that that didn't admit doing that. That is really messed up. Glad it was replaced.

WildBoar
03-01-2012, 02:44 PM
Good to know you guiys get discounts at those stores. But how do you prove to them you are a pro?

Iceman91
03-01-2012, 02:58 PM
Good to know you guiys get discounts at those stores. But how do you prove to them you are a pro?

I think you need a pay stub. Maybe more I'm not too sure

Crothcipt
03-02-2012, 12:18 AM
I posted this one about 4 months back. It was at a vacation rental I stayed at.

k.

I recognize that pattern. That is from trying to use it as a screwdriver. How do I know- had a construction worker decide to use one to unscrew something. glad that knife was only 5$.

pumbaa
03-02-2012, 02:47 AM
Good to know you guiys get discounts at those stores. But how do you prove to them you are a pro?

Pay stub, but the way I got mine were I just walk in after class in my T.A. chef coat it shows I am an employee at the school so I never had to show it.

JohnnyChance
03-02-2012, 02:26 PM
I have been tempted by that knife myself, assuming it is this:

http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/kikuichi-hammered-chefs-knife/?pkey=cchefs-santoku-knives

That is the same as the Gekko line from JCK, the Togiharu line from Korin, and a bunch of other places that have the same OEM make them a knife. He should return it for a refund and buy it somewhere else for WAY less.

Johnny.B.Good
03-02-2012, 02:57 PM
That is the same as the Gekko line from JCK, the Togiharu line from Korin, and a bunch of other places that have the same OEM make them a knife. He should return it for a refund and buy it somewhere else for WAY less.

My interest in the Kikuichi (if you choose to call it that, given what I have just learned) waned as soon as I hit the forums, but I would still rather have one of those than anything else on the wall at Williams-Sonoma.

I find it interesting that when you choose to "shop by brand" on the W-S site, "Kikuichi" isn't listed, nor are they found on the "what's new" page. One must choose the proper category (chef's, paring) and then scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to see them. Perhaps W-S doesn't want to anger the Germans and/or Shun!

They do tell a nice story about the brand though:

"The Kikuichi history of fine craftsmanship dates back to 12th century Japan, when an ancestor became a swordsmith for the emperor, marking each sword with the monarch’s chrysanthemum symbol. Today this proud tradition of metalwork continues with beautiful cutlery etched with this enduring emblem. Handcrafted in Japan, their chef’s knife has the power and precision you need for slicing, chopping, mincing and dicing."

slowtyper
03-02-2012, 04:02 PM
That is the same as the Gekko line from JCK, the Togiharu line from Korin, and a bunch of other places that have the same OEM make them a knife. He should return it for a refund and buy it somewhere else for WAY less.

Yes but if he had originally bought it at any other place, they would not have replaced this knife for him, so I say he's already ahead.

Really surprised they replaced that knife though. It wouldn't even have occured to me to go to a store and ask them to replace it if someone broke it.

Also, words cannot express the fury I felt reading the story and then clicking the picture afterwards.

jaybett
03-02-2012, 07:15 PM
So what is up with pro kitchens? Are all knife bags considered to be house knives?

Jay

VoodooMajik
03-05-2012, 09:24 PM
Generally speaking no, I don't use anyone else's gear without asking first and expect the same of mine. Working with 75 cooks at peak season you would never be able to hold on to them if that where the case. I'm slowly rotating my Wusthof's into my tool box for loaners as I replace them.

Eamon Burke
03-05-2012, 09:50 PM
So what is up with pro kitchens? Are all knife bags considered to be house knives?

Jay

You mean "are all knives cooks bring in considered communal property"? Maybe by some tools and d-bags, but I give every new person a stern talking to, especially the dishwasher. I tell them what's what, I show them my knives, let them use them to show them how well they work, and then show them how many knives and knife-related things I have on my person every day(it's a lot). They generally end up laughing or staring with their eyebrows raised, but they don't touch my knives.

One coworker hid my knife and my phone from me one day. As soon as I found it, I walked out for the day. Never happened again.

VoodooMajik
03-05-2012, 10:34 PM
^someone thought that was funny?

Crothcipt
03-06-2012, 12:36 AM
Its never funny! Just losing your tools to someone playing around (no matter the cost) can throw you off. Ask a mechanic what he would do if he found out who took his tools. I bet it is a lot worse than what a chef with his knifes would do. Or ask a gunsmith. But most cooks make fun of their tools. (in the us.)

VoodooMajik
03-06-2012, 03:36 PM
Some people don't get it. Ive asked people not to do certain things with my knives and they just say "What's it going to do to your knife" and do it anyways. Point being they didn't pay for the tools so they shouldn't use them improperly or without permission. These are guys that use $20 p.o.s. knives generally or don't work in the kitchen and think "wow! That's a nice knife"

pumbaa
03-06-2012, 04:51 PM
So what is up with pro kitchens? Are all knife bags considered to be house knives?

Jay

GOOD LORD NO! You don't touch my stuff, and I don't touch yours unless you ask. And when you use it you better bring it back clean and not damaged. I have seen a cook borrow a knife, let another cook use it, then the dishwasher send it through the machine. This is why no one uses my stuff anymore.

tkern
03-07-2012, 01:05 AM
Tonight I was in the office for a bit, came out to find my knives in a different place where I left them and the tip was broken off my Konosuke Fujiyama. Only a couple mm but I was still pretty pissed off. I asked the banquet chef who was standing right next to them what happened and his answer was "I don't know" ....... shoemaker

sachem allison
03-07-2012, 01:17 AM
even in your kitchen. That sucks balls. the infamous not me did it.

tkern
03-07-2012, 01:40 AM
Dont have any misconceptions about my kitchen. Its union and some of the staff has been there for 20yrs. Everyday is like trying to herd cats. All the great stuff we're doing is b/c the Exec, Chef d'cuisine, and fellow sous bust ass.

A couple days ago one of the line guys was "chiffonading" parsely with a dull scimitar.

quantumcloud509
03-07-2012, 03:51 AM
GOOD LORD NO! You don't touch my stuff, and I don't touch yours unless you ask. And when you use it you better bring it back clean and not damaged. I have seen a cook borrow a knife, let another cook use it, then the dishwasher send it through the machine. This is why no one uses my stuff anymore.

+1

JohnnyChance
03-07-2012, 04:18 AM
One coworker hid my knife and my phone from me one day. As soon as I found it, I walked out for the day. Never happened again.

You walked out mid shift because some pranked you a little bit, and you were able to keep your job?

slowtyper
03-07-2012, 07:33 PM
You mean "are all knives cooks bring in considered communal property"? Maybe by some tools and d-bags, but I give every new person a stern talking to, especially the dishwasher. I tell them what's what, I show them my knives, let them use them to show them how well they work, and then show them how many knives and knife-related things I have on my person every day(it's a lot). They generally end up laughing or staring with their eyebrows raised, but they don't touch my knives.

One coworker hid my knife and my phone from me one day. As soon as I found it, I walked out for the day. Never happened again.
Seems overly dramatic to me.

stevenStefano
03-09-2012, 07:22 PM
Just to refresh this thread a little, I sharpened all my knives the other day on the new 5k Chosera I bought, and today was the first day I had used them since being sharpened. One of my co-workers cut a cake on a metal tray with my Konosuke so the thing is useless now, much much blunter now than it was before I sharpened it. Rather than using one of the dozens of beater knives or bread knives, someone decided they just had to cut a cake with a 270 Western rehandled Konosuke with its nicely polished edge! Why do I bother......

knyfeknerd
03-09-2012, 07:47 PM
And people think we are nuts because we don't want them to touch our stuff. I've got a few crap knives I leave out for the non-believers.

kalaeb
03-09-2012, 08:00 PM
Dont have any misconceptions about my kitchen. Its union and some of the staff has been there for 20yrs. Everyday is like trying to herd cats.


I had no idea there was such a thing as a kitchen Union.

Crothcipt
03-09-2012, 08:08 PM
Ya hospitality unions are everywhere. Some are worth the time but most well.... I grew up in a union family and used to be "proud" to be union. Until I seen a few bad ones that just tried to put the employer out of business.

dragonlord
03-09-2012, 08:44 PM
From what I've read about unions, they can be so much for the workers that they end up putting everyone out of a job because the company can no longer compete.

On the other side of things, they are also often the only protection an employee has against an overbearing/malicious boss that is trying to cut corners, save money, or just get rid of you with no regard to protocol or fair means.

SpikeC
03-09-2012, 10:22 PM
The right wing machine produces propaganda against unions because the money hates worker empowerment.

Eamon Burke
03-09-2012, 10:37 PM
It wasn't only my knives, that was a PITA, it was that the knife stealing led to stealing my phone from right under me. That's not a prank, it cut off the only line of communication between my wife and kids and me. My daughter has been rushed to the hospital twice while I was on shift and figured they'd be fine at home.

Can't fire him, so I vote with my feet. The other alternative was to introduce him to the floor a few times. Which would you prefer, one man missing, or full staff with one half dead?


The idea that an employer owns you while at work never made sense to me. My family comes way, way, way before my job.

skewed
03-10-2012, 01:31 AM
The idea that an employer owns you while at work never made sense to me. My family comes way, way, way before my job.

Struggling with this right now with my work. Salary doesn't mean I will be at work around the clock. They take that to mean a lack of passion and love for my work. Can't a person have passions and interests outside of work... like family?

When did passion and love of the job become a euphemism for 'slave labor'?

Sorry- rant over.

ecchef
03-10-2012, 02:35 AM
The right wing machine produces propaganda against unions because the money hates worker empowerment.

That's pretty narrowminded Spike. I grew up in a Teamster family and am still amazed by the crap they used to pull! If I was the boss I would have fired my own father.

Ever work with local 100 in NYC? Most of the chefs that I know that employ union labor spend most of the day dealing with BS grievance paperwork than anything else.

Even in my situation, I need to have a paper trail a mile long along with several smoking guns just to get someone counseled, never mind fired.

Dave Martell
03-10-2012, 10:43 PM
Ask a mechanic what he would do if he found out who took his tools.


I've seen first hand what happens when someone "borrows" a tool from the red Snap-On box without asking, wasn't pretty. :D

VoodooMajik
03-10-2012, 11:09 PM
I bought a knife roll with extra space so when I replace more of my wusthofs I can keep them there for loaners, I don't want to pass off a $250+ blade when we have 75 cooks going and get it back merked if at all. I work in a Union Kitchen currently and it's both a good and bad thing. Can get our time off, over time. better job security and all but at the same time people abuse it a lot. People have pulled no shows to drink several days in a row on me, used a b.s. excuse and are still employed. That was fun :)

Justin0505
03-13-2012, 03:51 PM
Wow, it just really blows me away that there seems to be this unique breakdown in respect for someone else's property in kitchens. Do you think that it has to do with the close quarters and not having your own space? Or just a general American culture that doesn't even register knives as tools/anything of value.

I know that the Japanese culture has very strict rules and that a Chef will not let anyone other than his own apprentice touch his knives.

I may have told this story before:
My family knows how I am about knives, but a couple years back when I was visiting home, my little sister thought that it would be a funny to sneak into my knife bag and use one of my knives while I was out. She was planning to make it obvious so that I would know and freak out.

Well, she did make it obvious: she cut about 1/4" off the tip of her thumb, nail and all. -Just missed the bone. She had a square thumb for about 7mo till it grew back out.
For some reason my mom wrapped up the thumb tip and put it in the freezer (maybe she thought that it could be re-attached or re-animated later like Walt Disney's head), but she forgot about it in the commotion. Months later, I came across the frost covered wad of paper towel with the tiny, freeze dried bit of thumb-tip. I glued it to the tip of a broken screwdriver and proceeded to poke my sister with it, saying "quit poking yourself! " (we've all got a pretty a pretty morbid sense of humor.)

Anyway, my sister continued to mess with my stuff, but never touched my knives again. However, it actually sparked her interest in quality knives and very sharp things. The next time they went on sale, I bought her her own copy of the knife that she still calls "the thumb knife" and it became her first good knife.

tkern
03-13-2012, 03:54 PM
awesome

chefwatson
03-13-2012, 11:10 PM
Justin,

Sorry to disappoint, but Walt Disney was cremated in 1966 and his ashes were dispersed in the Forest Lawn Cemetery. He, nor any part of him, was ever frozen by a cryogenic method or any other. I am a Disney fan and find this "urban legend" to be quite entertaining.

chefwatson.

Eamon Burke
03-14-2012, 12:01 AM
Justin your family sounds pretty great.

Justin0505
03-14-2012, 02:53 AM
Justin,

Sorry to disappoint, but Walt Disney was cremated in 1966 and his ashes were dispersed in the Forest Lawn Cemetery. He, nor any part of him, was ever frozen by a cryogenic method or any other. I am a Disney fan and find this "urban legend" to be quite entertaining.

chefwatson.

OH :no:!!! Really?
Next you're going to tell me that all that stuff about the hidden sexual messages is also one of these "urban legend" things. Why don't you just go ahead and ruin :crying: EVERYTHING! :crying:



Justin your family sounds pretty great.
Thanks man, they are!

To keep from taking this thread too far OT, here's what I picture when I look at some of the horror photo's in this thread and wonder "how the hell did someone manage to do that much damage?"

http://youtu.be/vqAZBtVGGF8
or this (NSFW):

http://youtu.be/hvWSzIS0bfY

kazeryu
03-16-2012, 02:14 PM
Justin,

Sorry to disappoint, but Walt Disney was cremated in 1966 and his ashes were dispersed in the Forest Lawn Cemetery. He, nor any part of him, was ever frozen by a cryogenic method or any other. I am a Disney fan and find this "urban legend" to be quite entertaining.

chefwatson.

What's that you say? There is no grave or corpse for us to check up on?

HOW CONVENIENT.


:P

VoodooMajik
03-21-2012, 09:32 AM
Can opener eh? Some peoples children...