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Dave Martell
03-25-2012, 12:16 PM
Over time we will see vendors come & vendors go, this is something that can not be avoided.


There are three reasons for a vendor forum closure...

1. Non-payment of fees

2. Non-renewal of subscription

3. Disciplinary action



Please understand that all of our vendors are important to us, each of them approved to do business here at KKF, and as such are looked upon as a valuable resource for the whole community. We do not wish to loose a single vendor - ever - but we (KKF & the vendors alike) can not control all variables of life & business that may arise

I'm posting on this subject, at this time, because the membership is likely to see changes being made as time goes by (over the years) and wonder why (what happened/etc?). The mod team, and myself, will not post on these situations as they are either business or personal related and the vendor deserves respect & privacy where we can afford it. Remember there are many reasons why a vendor would chose to retire their sub-forum and that we should be mindful & respectful of this

Thanks for your understanding and support in this matter.

Dave

tk59
03-25-2012, 12:25 PM
...and I would imagine that the vendor/former vendor can continue to post or receive and respond to pm's, if they so choose, right?

Dave Martell
03-25-2012, 12:35 PM
...and I would imagine that the vendor/former vendor can continue to post or receive and respond to pm's, if they so choose, right?

Of course, well as long as they're not booted from the site that is, but yeah they're still members as long as they wish to be.

mr drinky
03-25-2012, 02:36 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I do like how the forums are clearly archived, but if we want to post on a product from those vendors I guess we have to start a new thread.

k.

Chef Niloc
03-26-2012, 12:24 PM
Thanks for the clarification. I do like how the forums are clearly archived, but if we want to post on a product from those vendors I guess we have to start a new thread.

k.

I don't think that's allowed? Thank that's what they call secondary passive promotion ?

tk59
03-26-2012, 12:41 PM
I don't think that's allowed? Thank that's what they call secondary passive promotion ?It could be but if you buy a knife somewhere, I think we lose something if you don't put up a fair review/description. We talk about Koki's stuff, Mark, Blueway, Fowler, Kramer, etc, etc. and they aren't on the forum. Where would we be if we didn't talk about all kinds of stuff that's out there?

Andrew H
03-26-2012, 12:54 PM
An ex-vendor (like every other member) cannot post about works of their own. If someone wanted to do a review of an ex-vendor's, or a non-vendor, work that would be perfectly fine.

StephanFowler
03-31-2012, 09:22 PM
An ex-vendor (like every other member) cannot post about works of their own. If someone wanted to do a review of an ex-vendor's, or a non-vendor, work that would be perfectly fine.

yep, that's one of the reasons I can't manage to hang out here very much.

as a knifemaker my posts and conversations tend to center around the knives I make which I'm not allowed to discuss here anymore

Dave Martell
03-31-2012, 09:57 PM
yep, that's one of the reasons I can't manage to hang out here very much.

as a knifemaker my posts and conversations tend to center around the knives I make which I'm not allowed to discuss here anymore


Stephan, if you can't find something besides your own work to discuss here then that's not KKF's problem, it's your own.

ajhuff
03-31-2012, 10:04 PM
Wow! That wasn't called for.

-AJ

Dave Martell
03-31-2012, 10:06 PM
Wow! That wasn't called for.

-AJ


yeah I agree, assuming that you're speaking to Stephan. :)

StephanFowler
03-31-2012, 10:14 PM
yeah I agree, assuming that you're speaking to Stephan. :)

I appreciate your forthcoming adult manner.

have a wonderful weekend
Stephan

Dave Martell
03-31-2012, 10:29 PM
yeah I agree, assuming that you're speaking to Stephan. :)


I appreciate your forthcoming adult manner.

have a wonderful weekend
Stephan


Stephan, you made a decision to not be a vendor at KKF and with that decision you're now not allowed to talk about your work as you once did. If you wish to promote your business here then you're free to apply to become a vendor again. I feel that you coming into this thread to complain is very disrespectful to this forum thus garnering my equally disrespectful rebuttal.

Marko Tsourkan
03-31-2012, 10:41 PM
There are many things to discuss and share on this or other forums for that matter unless one decides not to. The environment here is very receptive for participation.

M

l r harner
03-31-2012, 10:41 PM
i think that the trick is tho that once you are a vender you really cant even have a sub level membership as it would be looked at as "cheaping out" and still tringe to be a full time maker and only posting about 1/6 th your work woudl still be having your whole product line "in market" and at the forfront of the forum

liek if i got a hobiest membership and only showed one knife a month woudl that not still drive ppl to my site and thus prompte my other work (people woudl still know that i must be making more then just one knife a month )

we must come up with some kind of work around here for all partys to be fair

ajhuff
03-31-2012, 10:46 PM
Stephan, you made a decision to not be a vendor at KKF and with that decision you're now not allowed to talk about your work as you once did. If you wish to promote your business here then you're free to apply to become a vendor again. I feel that you coming into this thread to complain is very disrespectful to this forum thus garnering my equally disrespectful rebuttal.

I read Stephen's comment as a direct answer to Andrew's post and as an honest and legitimate explanation why his participation is low. I didn't read it as any type of complaint. Maybe I'm the only one who read it that way. In that context, it makes your response, Dave, extremely childish.

-AJ

Dave Martell
03-31-2012, 11:10 PM
I read Stephen's comment as a direct answer to Andrew's post and as an honest and legitimate explanation why his participation is low. I didn't read it as any type of complaint. Maybe I'm the only one who read it that way. In that context, it makes your response, Dave, extremely childish.

-AJ


AJ, yes I agree that you didn't read Stephan's comment the same way I did. It's possible that I interjected my prior experiences with Stephan which didn't allow for all to understand or see where I was coming from and that looks to have been poor form on my behalf. However, I still stand by my statements that he was complaining and that he needn't do that as he chose to not be a vendor which is the same as choosing not to talk about his work/products here. If he wishes to talk about his work then he can address that properly (not here in this thread) and we can go from there.

Dave Martell
03-31-2012, 11:15 PM
i think that the trick is tho that once you are a vender you really cant even have a sub level membership as it would be looked at as "cheaping out" and still tringe to be a full time maker and only posting about 1/6 th your work woudl still be having your whole product line "in market" and at the forfront of the forum

liek if i got a hobiest membership and only showed one knife a month woudl that not still drive ppl to my site and thus prompte my other work (people woudl still know that i must be making more then just one knife a month )

we must come up with some kind of work around here for all partys to be fair


Butch, we've beat this subject to death (10x over) in the mod forum and I'm here to say that this is as fair as we can be.

I'm sorry that not everyone's needs or wants can be accommodated but we're trying to make as many people happy as possible.

l r harner
04-01-2012, 09:44 AM
no worries dave i know not every one can be happy

was that thread in the venders only forum or jsut the mods as i really didnt read the venders much and dont think i could even see the mods forum (sorry ether way for kicking dead horse

i ll jsut stick with the off topicmostly stuff and if any one needs shop hgelp cause the people round here are great