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TB_London
05-04-2012, 08:29 AM
Now, even more so than before, I wish that this was in the library


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vo01ldlTQc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

JMac
05-04-2012, 11:31 AM
waiting for a better deal on amazon to get this line up.

Bkelly757
05-04-2012, 12:25 PM
Best bet is to try and wait for a Barnes and Nobel coupon. I got a coupon for 50% off any product and I ended up getting it for $250. Then I sent the email to my chef and he was able to use the same coupon that I had used to get his copy as well.

MadMel
05-04-2012, 12:28 PM
waiting for a better deal on amazon to get this line up.

+1

bieniek
05-04-2012, 03:14 PM
Some recipes these books are carrying are not working.

My chef got super excited, bought whole set, even got microwave... First attempt - fail.
And everything was measured till .10 of a gram.

Maybe the knowledge there is OK, I know I wont be checking it, not before I finish my annual reread of Nico Ladenis's "My Gastronomy" anyways.

Eamon Burke
05-04-2012, 05:20 PM
I would love to have that book. It looks full of wonderful information, and I loved cutaways as a kid!

But regarding the recipes failing, his book fails to adjust to a simple fact: Recipes don't work. As in they don't produce food if you do exactly what they say. Maybe sometimes--maybe someone's lucky and it's most of the time. But Recipes are, as Alton Brown put it, in on Food and Cooking, like getting directions to a place. So long as you are always starting at the same place, going to the same places, and all conditions are conducive, you will get there. If you are anywhere else, want to go anywhere else, or something is different, you will have no skills, information, or recourse to get to where you want to go.

As Herbert Simon showed: The human being striving for rationality and restricted within the limits of his knowledge has developed some working procedures that partially overcome these difficulties. These procedures consist in assuming that he can isolate from the rest of the world a closed system containing a limited number of variables and a limited range of consequences.

Well the food just isn't so rational. It's great information to have for someone who is ready to cook and is ingredient minded, and has a healthy relationship with their food. But doing the 30 hour hamburger not only is not a guarantee to get a better hamburger(IMO it doesn't even sound tasty), but it's not even a guarantee to get that hamburger.

DK chef
05-04-2012, 05:23 PM
i love my copy, use it a lot, and my kitchen equipment have grown since i got the book.

a.lber.to
05-04-2012, 05:33 PM
Got the book, and love it! But I have to admit that I have not tried the recipes yet...

The Edge
05-04-2012, 07:01 PM
I can't wait to add this to my collection. As far as the recipes go, I usually don't buy a book because of them. Instead, I'm more interested in the techniques, flavor combinations, and history introduced. The main reason for getting any new cookbook for me, is to open my eyes to information I hadn't known, or didn't quite fully understand beforehand.

brainsausage
05-04-2012, 09:38 PM
I can't wait to add this to my collection. As far as the recipes go, I usually don't buy a book because of them. Instead, I'm more interested in the techniques, flavor combinations, and history introduced. The main reason for getting any new cookbook for me, is to open my eyes to information I hadn't known, or didn't quite fully understand beforehand.

I'm of the same mindset. These books are worth every dollar. The wealth of practical, heavily researched info is invaluable to both pros and home cooks. The history, food safety, nutritional myth debunking, and science of water are utterly fascinating reads, and that's just volume one of five! Every time I crack one of the other books to reference whatever(last time it was the ratio of length/width/temp/time in regards to sous-vide proteins), I always stumble across a fascinating nugget of information. These truly are encyclopedias of food.
In regards to the recipes Burke- normally I'd agree, but some of the techniques utilized in these books involve very precise ratios of sensitive ingredients. Too much agar, and your fluid gel is sludge. Don't set your meat glue properly and that tenderloin with duck breast fat cap is a waste of both time and product. I spend most of my time curing meats, and I understand full well the importance of properly measuring all your components. In regards to both food safety(botulism sux), and not wasting days/weeks/months/years finishing a product- only to find you improperly measured one component and it's now completely inedible. Some may claim that all this heavy attention to detail and calculation takes some of the passion out of the process, I highly doubt Leonardo Da Vinci was a dispassionate man. He chose a very calculated scientific approach to his creations.and they are beautiful, and expressive.
I think it's really all about constant learning and refining technique, to better express your passion. *rant over* :)

Crothcipt
05-04-2012, 09:54 PM
:plus1:
I can't wait to add this to my collection. As far as the recipes go, I usually don't buy a book because of them. Instead, I'm more interested in the techniques, flavor combinations, and history introduced. The main reason for getting any new cookbook for me, is to open my eyes to information I hadn't known, or didn't quite fully understand beforehand.

I would love to get this book(s). Since I saw this last year I have been wanting it. When I first went looking it was sold out. It has been sold out a few times since then too. I also think the price has dropped 100$.

bieniek
05-04-2012, 11:07 PM
I would love to have that book. It looks full of wonderful information, and I loved cutaways as a kid!

But regarding the recipes failing, his book fails to adjust to a simple fact: Recipes don't work. As in they don't produce food if you do exactly what they say. Maybe sometimes--maybe someone's lucky and it's most of the time. But Recipes are, as Alton Brown put it, in on Food and Cooking, like getting directions to a place. So long as you are always starting at the same place, going to the same places, and all conditions are conducive, you will get there. If you are anywhere else, want to go anywhere else, or something is different, you will have no skills, information, or recourse to get to where you want to go.

As Herbert Simon showed: The human being striving for rationality and restricted within the limits of his knowledge has developed some working procedures that partially overcome these difficulties. These procedures consist in assuming that he can isolate from the rest of the world a closed system containing a limited number of variables and a limited range of consequences.

Well the food just isn't so rational. It's great information to have for someone who is ready to cook and is ingredient minded, and has a healthy relationship with their food. But doing the 30 hour hamburger not only is not a guarantee to get a better hamburger(IMO it doesn't even sound tasty), but it's not even a guarantee to get that hamburger.

Guess the chef of one and two stars experience didnt had the in-depth training to get the job done :)

SpikeC
05-04-2012, 11:08 PM
sounds like it!

Eamon Burke
05-05-2012, 01:54 AM
Guess the chef of one and two stars experience didnt had the in-depth training to get the job done :)

Can't tell if you are being sarcastic...but apparently he didn't. To extend the previous metaphor, I don't think if I gave a local UPS guy overcomplex directions to my house that he'd have any excuse for never finding it. He could see through the directions, and has an understanding of the entire territory. He drives it every day.

oivind_dahle
05-05-2012, 07:00 AM
Nathan is a gift to the world of food :)

tk59
05-05-2012, 12:18 PM
I'm more curious about this than anything else. It is certainly on my wish list. As a textbook, it sounds fascinating. As a cookbook, it sounds ridiculous. I'm more into making awesome in 10 min.

TB_London
05-05-2012, 02:31 PM
Yeah, I just want to read through it. I have some of Heston's books, and whilst they were great to read I doubt I'll ever follow a recipe to the letter. Flavour combinations, cooking techniques, the science behind cooking are all transferable though. I love understanding how and why things work, regardless of whether I can reproduce them.

brainsausage
05-05-2012, 08:55 PM
Yeah, I just want to read through it. I have some of Heston's books, and whilst they were great to read I doubt I'll ever follow a recipe to the letter. Flavour combinations, cooking techniques, the science behind cooking are all transferable though. I love understanding how and why things work, regardless of whether I can reproduce them.

I fully agree. Which is why these books are so much fun.

brainsausage
05-05-2012, 08:56 PM
I'm more curious about this than anything else. It is certainly on my wish list. As a textbook, it sounds fascinating. As a cookbook, it sounds ridiculous. I'm more into making awesome in 10 min.

There's degrees of awesome, and some take longer than others...