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Salty dog
05-08-2012, 11:24 AM
Mario modded this Ultimatum

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a442/Saltys_knives/IMG_6925.jpg

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a442/Saltys_knives/IMG_6928.jpg

tgraypots
05-08-2012, 11:33 AM
I like it.

stereo.pete
05-08-2012, 11:43 AM
That is an awesome handle you have there Scott. Is that the 52100 version?

stevenStefano
05-08-2012, 11:50 AM
What did Mario do? Did he modify the blade apart from polishing it? Did it improve the performance much?

Salty dog
05-08-2012, 12:24 PM
Re-ground it. Gave it the Mario grind but on a thinner knife. Mirror polish and new handle. It's a completely different knife. In appearance and performance.

99Limited
05-08-2012, 01:22 PM
So I guess your ultimatum to Mario was to take your "Ultimatum" and turn it into the ultimate "Ultimatum" which ultimately he did. cool:

rahimlee54
05-08-2012, 01:43 PM
That looks good, but why go through all the steps to correct one of these?

oivind_dahle
05-08-2012, 02:27 PM
Looks great!

Congratz to both Mario and Salty!

Salty dog
05-08-2012, 02:30 PM
That looks good, but why go through all the steps to correct one of these?

To see if he could make a silk purse out of a cows ear. And he did.

Salty dog
05-08-2012, 02:58 PM
or is it "sow's ear"?

SameGuy
05-08-2012, 03:13 PM
Objectively, I wouldn't describe it as a "sow's ear." It seems to be a very decent knife OOB, but the improvements no doubt vault it up a couple of notches.

bprescot
05-08-2012, 03:16 PM
Is that a saying? Never heard it before. Knife looks neat, though I'm not really sure it's really an Ultimatum anymore. Maybe an Ulti-Mario?

ThEoRy
05-08-2012, 03:23 PM
So I guess your ultimatum to Mario was to take your "Ultimatum" and turn it into the ultimate "Ultimatum" which ultimately he did. cool:

Head ......asplode....!

Dusty
05-08-2012, 10:34 PM
Looks great. Salty, in what ways do you think the original ultimatum was lacking? Which aspects of performance? Lastly, what do think of the how the steel is heat treated?

RRLOVER
05-08-2012, 11:54 PM
Looks great. Salty, in what ways do you think the original ultimatum was lacking? Which aspects of performance? Lastly, what do think of the how the steel is heat treated?

I can say that the 19c27 had a good HT.I was very impressed with 19c27 but I did not have any long term use.I am surprised that 19c27 is not used more often.I will have to purchase some and make a batch.

Salty dog
05-09-2012, 12:01 AM
I don't build'em I drive'em.

K-Fed
05-09-2012, 12:14 AM
I can say that the 19c27 had a good HT.I was very impressed with 19c27 but I did not have any long term use.I am surprised that 19c27 is not used more often.I will have to purchase some and make a batch.

I know it's probably been beat to death but the 19c27 in the suisin IH is really killer. What ever it is that they do, they do it right. If and when you get comfortable with 19c27 I will be ordering a blade so please please keep us posted =)

RRLOVER
05-09-2012, 12:24 AM
I know it's probably been beat to death but the 19c27 in the suisin IH is really killer. What ever it is that they do, they do it right. If and when you get comfortable with 19c27 I will be ordering a blade so please please keep us posted =)

I read posts that the suisin IH was made of 19c27,does suisin say that some were on there sight.I guess I will do some research.

SameGuy
05-09-2012, 12:24 AM
Oh, now you make me want ecchef's IH yanagi even more. Grrr.

tk59
05-09-2012, 03:31 AM
...If and when you get comfortable with 19c27...

Are you doing the HT on these, Mario?

RRLOVER
05-09-2012, 09:07 AM
Are you doing the HT on these, Mario?

I am having Brad Stallsmith @ Peters HT do my blades.My WIFE won't let me kick her car out of the garage to give me the space I need:wink:

ecchef
05-09-2012, 09:11 AM
Oh, now you make me want ecchef's IH yanagi even more. Grrr.

I have an IH yanagi? :scratchhead:

Twistington
05-09-2012, 10:31 AM
I am having Brad Stallsmith @ Peters HT do my blades.My WIFE won't let me kick her car out of the garage to give me the space I need:wink:

Then you need a bigger garage... or start ht'ing in the livingroom.

SameGuy
05-09-2012, 10:40 AM
I have an IH yanagi? :scratchhead:Oops. Sorry. I misremembered. Slowtyper's yanagi. :whistling:

tk59
05-09-2012, 11:31 AM
I am having Brad Stallsmith @ Peters HT do my blades.My WIFE won't let me kick her car out of the garage to give me the space I need:wink:Haha. Well, at least you get to have a nice grinder. Is it safe to assume Mr. Stallsmith knows his way around 19C27?

Johnny.B.Good
05-09-2012, 11:34 AM
Nice work Mario.

mpukas
05-09-2012, 03:43 PM
Nice re-finishing job on that Ultimatum, Mario - looks Beaut!

Salty - we'd all love to see some vids of how it performs. Especially thoughts on before and after.

It begs the question - considering the price of the knife new f/ Mark, and then adding Mario's fees for re-finishing and a new handle, does the total cost justify the end result? Compared to other knives that wouldn't require such re-finishing? I'm curious, because I purchased an Ultimatum in 52100, but returned it because I wasn't happy with the knife for many reasons, level of finish being one of them.

Salty dog
05-09-2012, 05:59 PM
I'd have no issue paying $350 for that knife as is.

Salty dog
05-09-2012, 05:59 PM
I don't know what an Ultimatum costs.

chinacats
05-09-2012, 06:02 PM
I'd have no issue paying $350 for that knife as is.


Over a KS at the same price point?

Salty dog
05-09-2012, 06:05 PM
Yes. And you get a nice handle. I had to polish my KS.

Any day.

mpukas
05-09-2012, 07:26 PM
I'd have no issue paying $350 for that knife as is.

Currently;
$190 for 19c27
$200 for 52100
$250 for M390 (if it happens, it's still in the works)

So, would a buck-fitty cover a new grind, polish and handle f/ Mario? Seems on the low end to me... I'd guess more like another 2 hundy... maybe more?

Duckfat
05-09-2012, 07:39 PM
Wow nice work Mario. Not sure I could be convinced to spend more than the Masamoto but hey it sure is a looker.

Dave

Salty dog
05-09-2012, 07:54 PM
The handle is a luxury. Could easily do without.

RobinW
05-09-2012, 09:03 PM
Any way one looks at it Mario does first class work!

RRLOVER
05-09-2012, 09:15 PM
Nice re-finishing job on that Ultimatum, Mario - looks Beaut!

Salty - we'd all love to see some vids of how it performs. Especially thoughts on before and after.

It begs the question - considering the price of the knife new f/ Mark, and then adding Mario's fees for re-finishing and a new handle, does the total cost justify the end result? Compared to other knives that wouldn't require such re-finishing? I'm curious, because I purchased an Ultimatum in 52100, but returned it because I wasn't happy with the knife for many reasons, level of finish being one of them.

The answer is no.It would cost more to re-handle/re-grind one of those then to purchase a new one from me.

K-Fed
05-09-2012, 11:49 PM
Any chance we can get some more pics? Kinda curious how the profile compares to the ks which is the knife it was patterned after no?

mpukas
05-10-2012, 12:44 PM
The answer is no.It would cost more to re-handle/re-grind one of those then to purchase a new one from me.

Thanks Mario!

chinacats
05-10-2012, 02:13 PM
Any chance we can get some more pics? Kinda curious how the profile compares to the ks which is the knife it was patterned after no?

And it would be nice to see a Sabatier in the pic as well as I believe this to be the origin of the profile?

labor of love
05-11-2012, 01:14 AM
And it would be nice to see a Sabatier in the pic as well as I believe this to be the origin of the profile?

Sabatier profiles are all over the place. I've seen some sabs with super flat profiles and some with a good amount of belly. Pics of this knife next to the masamoto ks would be cool. It would be real cool if the pics could visually compare the grinds too.

chinacats
05-11-2012, 02:44 PM
Sabatier profiles are all over the place. I've seen some sabs with super flat profiles and some with a good amount of belly. Pics of this knife next to the masamoto ks would be cool. It would be real cool if the pics could visually compare the grinds too.

Interesting...I have a few nogent/**** and K-Sab...virtually no belly whatsoever...have handled many additional ****/elephants and all have had very similar profiles...that being said, being a professional chef, I'm sure you've seen many more than me. I am curious though as I had always heard that Masamoto had 'borrowed' their profile from K-Sab...am I just misinformed (wouldn't surprise me)?