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RRLOVER
04-05-2011, 09:52 PM
Has anyone made a kitchen knife out of the steel.I think it would make a great EDC,but can't find enough info on edge stability for use on a thin chef knife.

RobinW
04-05-2011, 10:07 PM
Not yet, but I surely hope it has!

Pierre Rodrigue is doing a gyuto 250 in it for me....

Pensacola Tiger
04-05-2011, 10:09 PM
Warther Cutlery:

http://www.warthercutlery.com/catalog/9frenchchefknife-p-37.html?osCsid=l3lfqmpuc6rqu4bov99131iu17

RRLOVER
04-05-2011, 10:16 PM
Warther Cutlery:

http://www.warthercutlery.com/catalog/9frenchchefknife-p-37.html?osCsid=l3lfqmpuc6rqu4bov99131iu17

That is an interesting finish.

Larrin
04-05-2011, 10:16 PM
Edge stability should be pretty fair, probably better than CPM-154. Many have complained about the ease of sharpening of S30V, however, and that is unlikely to be much improved in S35VN.

Lefty
04-05-2011, 10:21 PM
Apparently two of the biggest differences between S30VN and S35VN are ability to forge it and sharpenability. If this is true, it should make one hell of a knife.
If it's good enough for Pierre and Spyderco, it's good enough for me!

RRLOVER
04-05-2011, 10:31 PM
Edge stability should be pretty fair, probably better than CPM-154. Many have complained about the ease of sharpening of S30V, however, and that is unlikely to be much improved in S35VN.

Thanx for the info Larrin.I have never sharpened S30V.......I have read the complaints,but really how hard can it be to sharpen.

Pensacola Tiger
04-05-2011, 10:47 PM
That is an interesting finish.

Do you remember the Warther that Fish rehandled?

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Misc%20Photos/1149227170-IMG_2647_1_1JPG.jpg

Lefty
04-05-2011, 11:10 PM
Do you remember the Warther that Fish rehandled?

http://i758.photobucket.com/albums/xx226/Pensacola_Tiger/Misc%20Photos/1149227170-IMG_2647_1_1JPG.jpg

How cool would it be to get a thread of all of fish's rehandle pictures people have around?
I didn't know him, but his work is legendary. I remember when I first saw one of his handles. I thought, "wow! Knives can look like that?"
Maybe someone should start a thread, if it's appropriate.
I can't help but think his handles inspired Marko, Stefan, Dave and all the rest!

Dave Martell
04-05-2011, 11:12 PM
I'd love to do a thread for Fish's handles. We can put it in the Media Center.

And yes he was/is an inspiration to me.

El Pescador
04-05-2011, 11:17 PM
Dave, have you sharpened any s35vn?

Pesky

Dave Martell
04-05-2011, 11:27 PM
Dave, have you sharpened any s35vn?

Pesky


I can't way that I have or if I did I didn't notice anything weird to make me recall it. I can vividly recall working on some S30V knives - yikes they can suck if you have to do anything more than simple sharpening.

Dave Martell
04-05-2011, 11:28 PM
How cool would it be to get a thread of all of fish's rehandle pictures people have around?
I didn't know him, but his work is legendary. I remember when I first saw one of his handles. I thought, "wow! Knives can look like that?"
Maybe someone should start a thread, if it's appropriate.
I can't help but think his handles inspired Marko, Stefan, Dave and all the rest!


Started It Here (http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php?669-Fish-n-Poi-The-Original-Rehandle-King) Thanks for the idea! :)

Lefty
04-05-2011, 11:33 PM
Not a problem! It was Rick too!

so_sleepy
04-06-2011, 12:15 AM
Has anyone made a kitchen knife out of the steel.I think it would make a great EDC,but can't find enough info on edge stability for use on a thin chef knife.

Thomas Haslinger is using S35V for his kitchen knives now.

Lefty
04-06-2011, 12:26 AM
It must be a Canadian thing :)

apicius9
04-06-2011, 12:32 AM
I can't way that I have or if I did I didn't notice anything weird to make me recall it. I can vividly recall working on some S30V knives - yikes they can suck if you have to do anything more than simple sharpening.

Dave, you are welcome to try it out on my Warther any time :) I was hoping you would run it over the belt anyway.

Thanks for the thread with Fish knives, I still have two, sold one to Lee a long time ago. Will post them over there.

Stefan
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RRLOVER
04-06-2011, 08:04 AM
Thomas Haslinger is using S35V for his kitchen knives now.

I have seen that,but do not recall any knifenuts buying one and posting a review.

Marko Tsourkan
04-06-2011, 09:04 AM
...
I can't help but think his handles inspired Marko, Stefan, Dave and all the rest!

Actually, Fish sayas for gyuto inspired me. He made only a few, but I think he was one of the first one to round the spine. I have added a distal taper and bevels and streamlined the shape (no edges), but the look I credit Fish for.
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/gallery/19280/1142750315-IMG_1329_1_1.JPG

See the similarity?
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/fbbuploads/1293987694-DSC_1417.JPG

Fish is also credited for introducing koa.

For my handles and yanagiba sayas I got inspiration from Nenohi.
http://www.nenohi.co.jp/en/images/tokutyu04_01.jpg

M

so_sleepy
04-06-2011, 10:06 AM
I have seen that,but do not recall any knifenuts buying one and posting a review.

There hasn't been a review in a long time, but there were several Haslinger owners on KF a few years ago. Interestingly, given the way this thread has split up, Fish had one in S30V and posted positively about it several times.

I have wanted to try one out, but held back because of comments about difficulty in sharpening S30V.

Here is an old thread where fish comments about sharpening, he had better things to say about geometry later, but i can't find those posts:
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/786190/tp/0/all/1/

l r harner
04-06-2011, 10:24 AM
so far i like s35vn better then s30v but i still need more testing to see (i can tell you this tho i have no plans on swapping from the cpm154 cause i still like it better)
now that said i can make a blade for some one out of jsut about any steel i can get bar or sheet stock of

Lefty
04-06-2011, 10:29 AM
Butch,
What is it that you prefer about CPM154?
Could you compare the pros and cons of both, in your opinion?

Dave Martell
04-06-2011, 10:37 AM
Marko, Fish would dig your work big time.

Customfan
04-06-2011, 11:27 AM
I've been contemplating those Thomas Haslinger Chef knives for a while now.. can't bring myself to pull the trigger! :biggrin2:

olpappy
04-15-2011, 06:45 PM
Butch,
What is it that you prefer about CPM154?
Could you compare the pros and cons of both, in your opinion?



Don't mean to speak for Butch, but cpm154 takes a nice finish whereas S30V is notorious for being very difficult to get a nice finish on. If you are a knifemaker it helps if your stuff looks good. cpm154 is easier to sharpen, easier to grind and just overall less unpleasant to work with.

Lefty
04-15-2011, 08:27 PM
I've read up on it a fair bit, and the niobium is supposed to make it much easier to work with, compared to s30vn and one hell of a lot easier to sharpen!
I'm guessing cpm154 is still easier, as you said, but I wonder which is a better performer once the customer gets it in his hands.
I grew up using My dad's pro henckels from the 70s, so I still love a knife that can take some serious work!
I'm hoping s35vn is close to a perfect mix between rugged and hard and fine grained enough to get wicked sharp.

Michael Rader
04-16-2011, 02:25 AM
Don't know anything about that steel, but the handles and saya pictured above are great!

columa
05-05-2011, 02:05 AM
Look at

http://www.crucible.com/PDFs/%5CDataSheets2010%5CdsS35VNrev12010.pdf

They give information including toughness, edge retention, and a good lesson on carbides in steels.

I like the Warther website and my knife nuttiness has me wanting to get one of their 9" Chef knives which uses this steel.
The price is good but the shipping is a little steep. &%#@* these oil prices.

mattrud
05-05-2011, 02:08 AM
hmm, well pierre is making me a knife from cpms35v so we will see. I believe I am not sure I own a knife in cpm-154. Hey Butch want to help me out on that?

tk59
05-05-2011, 01:57 PM
[QUOTE=Lefty;9298]I've read up on it a fair bit, and the niobium is supposed to make it much easier to work with...QUOTE]

I don't know about that. I have a niobium alloy (Niolox/sb1) blade that seems to be quite wear resistant.

Lefty
05-05-2011, 02:03 PM
Interesting...
That was what I gathered from all the reading up I did.
Looks like you'll have a lot of us to test it out, so we'll tell you how hard/easy it is to sharpen.
One thing I have read that is the general consensus so far is that it is MUCH easier to sharpen than s30vn, so that's a start.