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DaveRossy
05-27-2012, 03:06 PM
I was wondering if anyone has or own a knife that they thought were soooo beautiful that the wouldn't be able to use it. I'm sure I'm not the only one :stinker: or am I?

Here is my choice (no, I don't own them:biggrin:)


http://chadwrites.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/shunkramer.jpg

tgraypots
05-27-2012, 03:09 PM
Dave, the top one is a real Kramer, and the bottom is the Shun (prototype?) collaboration from several years ago. I remember when Chad posted that on his blog.

VoodooMajik
05-27-2012, 03:14 PM
They look pretty, but I don't think I'd have much use for them

oivind_dahle
05-27-2012, 03:19 PM
There is no knife so beautiful that it couldn't be used.
Its like dating the most beautiful girl, but you can't go to bed with her.

Then you must be insane :)

bieniek
05-27-2012, 03:22 PM
I think every knife should get used to maximum. Therefore I dont own too many.

If I would buy a knife and dont use it, I would sell it, so it can see some action in other hands

DaveRossy
05-27-2012, 03:59 PM
You guys are really hardcore knife users...................:cookegg:

tgraypots
05-27-2012, 04:03 PM
You guys are really hardcore knife users...................:cookegg:

I kinda think that's why we're here, instead of not being here..................

DaveRossy
05-27-2012, 04:29 PM
Thats why I'm here........but I still wouldnt use those knives :running:

VoodooMajik
05-27-2012, 05:06 PM
Why buy something to just look at. Except art work like paintings and sculptures.

oivind_dahle
05-27-2012, 05:07 PM
Easy lesson:

Your beauties you take out for those gentle tasks, the ones that don't leave marks, i.e. cutting vegetables, fruit and so on
The ugly ones you take out for those dirty tasks, cutting bones, splitting lobsters and so on

bieniek
05-27-2012, 05:11 PM
Why buy something to just look at. Except art work like paintings and sculptures.

+1 I was just going to say that

Tool is a tool.
Funny enough it doesnt work any better for being gorgeous/expensive

echerub
05-27-2012, 05:13 PM
I think every knife deserves to be used for what it's suited for. The only time you might want to worry a little is when you're sharpening and don't want to mess it up :)

Otherwise, I can't think of a knife that I could get that I wouldn't want to use. Don't abuse the knife or try to use it for what it wasn't designed for. It'd be a shame for a well-made and well-designed knife to sit unused and, in my estimation, unloved.

Gravy Power
05-27-2012, 06:28 PM
Dave, the top one is a real Kramer, and the bottom is the Shun (prototype?) collaboration from several years ago. I remember when Chad posted that on his blog.

Here it is: http://www.chadwrites.com/blade-show-kramer-shun-collaboration/

The Kramer production is still available at Sur la Table for $330. I mentioned this in another thread, but I had one for about 10 months. It's a great knife if you like Kramer's design and can't afford the real thing, or have time to wait for one. Mine was chippy though, some partly due to my own neglect, I'm sure.

But yeah, I bought it because I wanted a beast in the kitchen. It looked pretty at first, but I find any good made custom job way more asthetically pleasing than any production knife.

Vertigo
05-27-2012, 06:47 PM
My most beautiful knife is also my strongest performer. I have scratched it, scuffed it, dinged it, chipped it, tipped it, and even (once) dropped it. Despite my best efforts, I cannot keep it down. It sees 10 hours of action a day and doesn't miss a beat.

Pierre Rodrigue, people. Built Canada tough.

VoodooMajik
05-27-2012, 07:04 PM
I don't own any blades by pierre yet, but am looking forward to it! Gotta PM him about the professional series.

I used my more expensive knives production and prep. For old cheese and anything just plain evil. out comes the 8" wusthof classic. Can't destroy that thing.

tk59
05-27-2012, 07:10 PM
I feel that way about some of my blades when then come in. I get over it. :)

RRLOVER
05-27-2012, 08:39 PM
http://i515.photobucket.com/albums/t359/mario164/004-5.jpg

I could not bring myself to cut anything with it.I would have no problem using a Kramer.

DaveRossy
05-27-2012, 09:19 PM
ooooh....thats sweet

Lucretia
05-27-2012, 09:27 PM
Tool first, work of art second. I like having beautiful knives. Makes me happy every time I use them. But no drawer queens.

The Edge
05-27-2012, 10:22 PM
I think the saying should be "Too beautiful NOT to use!"

ThEoRy
05-27-2012, 10:54 PM
**** that! It's a tool. What's the point of having a 'vette if you leave it in the garage. Besides, it will teach you how to properly sharpen with more care and precision.

Marko Tsourkan
05-27-2012, 10:56 PM
**** that! It's a tool. What's the point of having a 'vette if you leave it in the garage. Besides, it will teach you how to properly sharpen with more care and precision.

Comes from a man who uses his custom Konosuke deba regularly. I think it was mirror polished too, right?

One word - Respekt! :D

GlassEye
05-27-2012, 10:56 PM
Why have a knife if not to cut with?

Marko Tsourkan
05-27-2012, 11:03 PM
Why have a knife if not to cut with?

Because you paid too much for it? I don't know. I don't have any.

M

Don Nguyen
05-27-2012, 11:58 PM
http://i515.photobucket.com/albums/t359/mario164/004-5.jpg

I could not bring myself to cut anything with it.I would have no problem using a Kramer.

I checked this thread out hoping for a picture like this. Thanks.

I don't trust myself very much. I wouldn't use that knife.

Crothcipt
05-28-2012, 12:13 AM
It would take me a while b4 I could too. But I don't cut fish very often so I think I could buy a Yangi. and get away with it.

ThEoRy
05-28-2012, 01:48 AM
Comes from a man who uses his custom Konosuke deba regularly. I think it was mirror polished too, right?

One word - Respekt! :D

Oh yeah! :D As you well know the mirror polish is gonna cost extra too :) I couldn't even begin to count the thousands of pounds of fish that I've cut with that bad boy by now.

Which brings up another point. If you don't use it, it's not yours yet. You may have it in your possession, you very well may own it, but it is not yours yet. You don't even know it yet. When you use the knife, you learn the knife. It's secrets, it's strong points, it's flaws. The subtle nuances in technique only to be discovered over time through practice. When you sharpen it, you learn even more. You become even closer with it. You become one with it. Then it belongs to you. Until then it's just a piece of steel you happen to own.

AFKitchenknivesguy
05-28-2012, 02:27 AM
The majority of my knives I use, except for two. Since many want to speak in plain terms, lets speak in plain terms. If you owned a damascus Kramer and weren't independently rich, you would use it and depreciate it's potential value? Yeah, ok, sure. When you have something, knife or something else of that demand, and use it anyways, then you can talk. I have enough knives that I don't need to pull it out and use it, I doubt it's an ephiphany to use versus the potential value loss. BTW, I bought mine long before the crazy prices came out so it's not crazy to use, but it's nice to have an ace up the sleeve.

wenus2
05-28-2012, 03:21 AM
I think the saying should be "Too beautiful NOT to use!"

Just curious.. are you using that beautiful Doi of yours?

bieniek
05-28-2012, 04:50 AM
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m310/carl00s/100_3579.jpg

I do use that. Oh and it has even more value for me that the price of the item itself. It was a gift and because of the circumstances, its priceless.

Its little too long and not so effective on sashimi slicing, but I sold all my yanagis and hell, I cannot wait for that whole tuna that suppose to come next week. When I get it, I promise photos.

Knife doesnt look that pretty[like new] anymore, and Im taking it with me to the next Maxims sharpening class, so it will get polished also.
Its hard on me to stop myself from polishing it right now :D:fanning:
I sharpened it a little and its easily sharpest single bevel I have touched. What a great blade.
It just begs me to jump out of the sheath and slice stuff.

Please folks dont get me wrong.
When I see carbon knife with just a little delicate blue patina, and it happens not to be single bevel, but a chefs knife, I think IMHO owner doesnt use the knife as intended.

Salty dog
05-28-2012, 04:58 AM
It's exactly why I sold my Kramer. I couldn't bring myself to use it. I currently have one other knife that I can't use. I'd sell it but not everyone is willing to drop 5K on a yanagi.

DaveRossy
05-28-2012, 10:54 AM
Thats how I feel Salty, I was an in house chef for Williams Sonoma for a time and they would sell some items like Dinnerware that the customers would buy and then display like the china that never gets used. I agree, knives of this quality should be used, that's what they are made for but I have to wonder, why bother to make some of them super shiny or put beautiful wooden handles on them, your not going to see them :scratchhead: Not trying to piss anyone off, I just feel that some could easily be a work of art and that would be its purpose..........just to look stunning :hungry:

Pensacola Tiger
05-28-2012, 11:31 AM
Dave, perhaps this might be useful to you:

Functional Art

"Functional art is something which is both beautiful and useful. Functional art lets us bring works of creativity and beauty into our everyday lives, in our case, knives that are of a high artistic quality and craftsmanship."

I'd venture to guess that most of us here place the "useful" aspect pretty high in importance.

Rick

Seth
05-28-2012, 12:06 PM
I like Theory's comment on making the knife your own but I think it is not a black/white situation - it doesn't have to be a hardcore tool vs. collector's item. There may be a bit of collector on my part mixed in with using my knives. The hayates - I just don't use them as much. One has been sharpened and kasumi polished and looks great, the other is in original condition. Sort of like Salty, I almost wish I had bought more of the 'light' series, or just not knives that are too good to be used; the lights I have get a lot more use and feel like tools. There is some kind of historical/cultural premium that seems to be added to the hayates. At 1K though, these can be considered working knives. At 5K, it might just go in a glass case. Someone posted a thread a while back about the line, historical line I guess, from maker to chef to family and friends. I enjoy that thought too; I pick up a Doi and imagine the old guy who made and held this knife, a guy from a far away land....and never once had the curtesy to pick up the phone and say hello...

bieniek
05-28-2012, 01:59 PM
I would buy 5K yanagi, even if I would have to eat rocks for a year or so.

Problem is, is it working 10 times better than a knife for 500.

Having touched some for 2K, I would have to say no.