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maxim
06-09-2012, 06:38 AM
Ok I make a sticky here in my Subforum.
With Jnats i have and all of you have :)
Please post pics of your J-nat ! All stones is welcome from all vendors. Also some other Natural stones too ! :D

DwarvenChef
06-09-2012, 07:32 AM
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/DwarvenChef/Asagi3.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a190/DwarvenChef/OohiraHighQuality.jpg

Nothing special, just my primary workers...

Nakayama Asagi top
Oohira tomae (i believe)

maxim
06-10-2012, 03:53 PM
Some of my Nakayama Maruka Kiitas :)
I just love these stones !!! Nakayama Kiitas is usually much harder and finer then say from Ohira or other mines.
Very very expensive stones ! But beauty and performance is just hard to beat.
Price on them have skyrocket in the last couple of years. And the really hard and fine ones is more then 500 euro just for koppa or razor size, if you can find one :D
The Kiita colors vary from deep orange to lemon yellow

7776

7777

Birnando
06-10-2012, 04:12 PM
We really must have a talk about those Marukas Maksim....
I'll put up a pic or two of some of mine soon:)

maxim
06-10-2012, 04:26 PM
I bring them with me so you can test on razors :)

DK chef
06-11-2012, 06:30 AM
from last sharpening clas
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2161.jpg

Hakka
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2403.jpg

more pictures will come

DwarvenChef
06-11-2012, 05:45 PM
DROOL

maxim
06-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Another Nakayama Kiita with a lot of su (suita)
Quite fine and hard stone very very good feedback and super fast because of su.

7959

7960

7961

Birnando
06-13-2012, 09:20 AM
Here's the stones I have bought from some fella in Denmark...:)

I'll add a couple more from other places if that's ok with OP.

Anyways, here's the breakdown.

From left:
Red Aoto, Hakka Renge, Nakayama Asagi, Shoubudani Asagi, and the little one is a Oozuku Asagi.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/birnando/JNats-Maksim-01.jpg

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/birnando/JNats-Maksim-02.jpg

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h381/birnando/JNats-Maksim-1.jpg

maxim
06-13-2012, 09:32 AM
Please do :)



I'll add a couple more from other places if that's ok with OP.

DK chef
06-15-2012, 12:33 PM
Looking forward to receive that Nakayama :)

DK chef
06-15-2012, 02:06 PM
we had a little wine tasting yesterday and i had to show of some of my stones to my friends

i did the sharpening before we drank the wine :)

Hideriyama on a base

http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2411.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2442.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2437.jpg

Darkhoek
06-17-2012, 06:13 PM
That looks nice! Wish I could have been there.

DarKHOeK

pitonboy
06-18-2012, 09:35 PM
The Pingus is consistently a great wine

DK chef
07-01-2012, 12:52 PM
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2609.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2601.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2578.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2574.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2571.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2566.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2564.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2558.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2554.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2550.jpg
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g463/nilsson28/IMG_2543.jpg

maxim
07-01-2012, 01:03 PM
Cool :doublethumbsup:

Here is my Rainbow Nakayama probably one of the coolest stones i ever seen !

http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7650&d=1338985891

Crothcipt
07-01-2012, 09:42 PM
Chef those are some really cool stones.

DK chef
07-02-2012, 12:44 AM
thank you Crothcipt :) i had a great help from Maxim choosing and testing right stones for me, i think i got the lineup that suits me for now.

maxim
07-12-2012, 07:50 AM
Range Okudo Suita very hard

8514

8515

8516

Kan Aoto with very cool patterns, soft Aoto but looks cool :D

8517

8518

8519

cwrightthruya
07-21-2012, 07:15 PM
That Okudo looks really nice. I absolutely Love Suita!!! I have a few myself I need to post.

cwrightthruya
07-21-2012, 07:19 PM
Here is my Aoto Collection

From Left to Right: New Mined Aoto, 2 san-Aoto, Vintage Aoto, 2 Red Aoto

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PYOClln-AKA/T6awANn6erI/AAAAAAAAAC8/a2Hw1Mbya2g/s1289/Aoto+Family.jpg

markenki
07-22-2012, 08:45 PM
After a couple of years trying to resist, I am going down the slippery slope. Red Aoto from JNS and Takashima Awasedo from JKI. "Thanks", Maxim, and Jon and Sara.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h110/markenki/jnat/post2.jpg

mainaman
08-05-2012, 03:34 PM
My latest 2 acquisitions
Ozuko Mizuasagi for razor finishing -one of the hardest stones I have seen so far.

Second is Ohira Suita, very hard but does not scratch soft cladding and makes very nice mirror with light haze on hard steel.

http://i48.tinypic.com/2pquluc.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2eaqd92.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/118eopi.jpg

maxim
08-07-2012, 03:00 PM
I will add some pictures from Kyoto stone wholesalers :D

Huge Uchigomori from Ohira !!! I will not even guess how much this rock cost :scared4:

9040

9041

9042

9043

maxim
08-07-2012, 03:11 PM
i am testing some stones at Tanaka Toishi

9044

9045

9046

That is from visit of Imanishi Toishi

Soma Nakayama Koppas that need to be tested :cop:

9047

9048

9049

9050

Humble testing aria

9051

9052

Wall of Nakayama Koppa stones

9053

That Karasu in the middle i really wanted to dig out :spiteful:

9054

9055

9056

And the other side. They need a security person for that wall but they did not want me :(

9057

Eamon Burke
08-07-2012, 08:58 PM
1. That Ohira Uchigomori make me pee myself.
2. I decided yesterday that I will, at some point in the future, have a JNat built into a countertop in my kitchen. This wall reminds me of that.

schanop
08-12-2012, 07:42 PM
Present just arrived and I should start posting in this thread to really join the club :crossfingers:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-kT6QZ0ES8ZA/UAso_XsKtHI/AAAAAAAAAHU/I_P9ZLV9iHE/Aizu+2.jpg
- Elusive Aizu -

ps. photo and stone from Chris.

maxim
08-13-2012, 07:15 AM
:doublethumbsup: congrats !!

Cutty Sharp
08-13-2012, 09:18 AM
i am testing some stones at Tanaka Toishi 9044

Maxim, when were you there? I sharpened in the same place early July!

maxim
08-14-2012, 06:08 AM
Last year :)

Cutty Sharp
08-14-2012, 06:43 AM
Did you buy from Tanaka? I picked up my Hideriyama there.

maxim
08-14-2012, 06:52 AM
No, I dont deal with stone shops :)

pitonboy
09-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Current grouping of stones (Shigs in boxes to the left)1038210383

This is where a lot of the money from knife re-sales have gone

maxim
09-30-2012, 03:06 PM
You need to go advanced to attache pics :D

Cutty Sharp
09-30-2012, 05:31 PM
Please try again with picts.

pitonboy
09-30-2012, 06:20 PM
Please try again with picts.

I put the pics on a different post labeled "Stuff" in the personal galleries section

Joshua1970
11-02-2012, 01:52 PM
I've drooled over so many of the stones at JNS during the last few months.....it's just not funny.

specifically screaming my name of late are the Shoubudani Asagi and the Ozuku Kan as additional finishing stones for my razors. so beautiful!

my current arsenal of stones:
Okudo Shiro Suita Koppa
Nakayama Maruka Kiita
Nakayama Kiita Kan
Takeshima Karasu
Ozuku Asagi

with a Tomo Nagura for each, as well as Asano Nagura progression stones:Botan, Tenjou, Mejiro & Koma

Now that my interest in kitchen knives has been established I plan on holding off a bit longer still, and possibly get a softer stone to work with both knives and razors.

... and the rabbit hole grows ever deeper!

maxim
11-02-2012, 01:53 PM
Hey welcome to KKF :D Where is the pictures ?? :eyebrow:

mainaman
11-02-2012, 02:11 PM
Now that my interest in kitchen knives has been established I plan on holding off a bit longer still, and possibly get a softer stone to work with both knives and razors.

... and the rabbit hole grows ever deeper!you will be able to find some preoplishers for razors that are finishers for knives. Best way is to split the collection.

Joshua1970
11-02-2012, 02:12 PM
Hey welcome to KKF :D Where is the pictures ?? :eyebrow:

thanks Maxim!! I've got to upgrade to advanced to post pictures I believe, and I also need to get some pictures uploaded! I promise to get on that in the next couple days!! :)

BTW, your JNat Wiki was EXTREMELY helpful for a beginner!! Kudos!

mainaman
11-02-2012, 02:19 PM
thanks Maxim!! I've got to upgrade to advanced to post pictures I believe, and I also need to get some pictures uploaded! I promise to get on that in the next couple days!! :)

BTW, your JNat Wiki was EXTREMELY helpful for a beginner!! Kudos!you can host on a website such as tinypic or photobucket and paste the image urls in your post.

Joshua1970
11-02-2012, 02:22 PM
you will be able to find some preoplishers for razors that are finishers for knives. Best way is to split the collection.

my thoughts exactly! once I get my bearings a bit more with knives I'll be doing just that - tho I may still have to pick up that Ozuku Kan -that ring grain is just gorgeous! and those Ohira Range Suitas... oh my!

of course I can always pick up a coarser synthetic and switch to polishing on the naturals (both razors and knives - although the nagura progressions are just so fascinating). I keep telling myself "patience grasshopper" - but I've got a hardcore case of OCD to overcome here lol

re: using a photo hosting site - I just may do that! I'll devote some time over the weekend to figuring it out :) thanks!

mainaman
11-02-2012, 03:08 PM
my thoughts exactly! once I get my bearings a bit more with knives I'll be doing just that - tho I may still have to pick up that Ozuku Kan -that ring grain is just gorgeous! and those Ohira Range Suitas... oh my!

of course I can always pick up a coarser synthetic and switch to polishing on the naturals (both razors and knives - although the nagura progressions are just so fascinating). I keep telling myself "patience grasshopper" - but I've got a hardcore case of OCD to overcome here lol

re: using a photo hosting site - I just may do that! I'll devote some time over the weekend to figuring it out :) thanks!The truth is you can never have too many naturals, unfortunately most of us, I believe, also can use more money too :(

Joshua1970
11-02-2012, 03:23 PM
The truth is you can never have too many naturals, unfortunately most of us, I believe, also can use more money too :(

HA!! well, it's all fiat currency anyhow and tho JNats may not be gold or silver, they do a much better job putting an edge on things than bullion does - AND the value only seems to be rising.

how's that for rationale? :) yep I'm hooked!

mainaman
11-02-2012, 03:23 PM
I just realized I have posted only s few of my stones so here a few pics of some of the rest:

Red/Green/Blue aoto in order of fineness, the blue Aoto is the hardest I have seen barely makes any mud, super fine for Aoto.

http://i49.tinypic.com/23th6as.jpg

Wakasa- razor finisher but also not scratchy on soft iron. Has beautiful colors Asagi-Kiita mix.

http://i46.tinypic.com/34pakq0.jpg

#24 Atagoyama kiita

http://i56.tinypic.com/zn8z1u.jpg

Aizu

http://i55.tinypic.com/2lm3qx2.jpg

Hakka

http://i48.tinypic.com/2mcu1hx.jpg

Nkayama

http://i48.tinypic.com/zjj62q.jpg


Ohira Renge Suita -makes the coolest pink slurry ever, has a lot of renge

http://i49.tinypic.com/k2b5sl.jpg

Joshua1970
11-02-2012, 03:34 PM
:ubersexy:

all of them... tho I must say the Ohira Renge is just incredibly gorgeous, and I love the Hakka lines and the Nakayama coloration

SWEET!!!

Again, I'll be sure to post some pics over the weekend :)

DwarvenChef
11-02-2012, 10:47 PM
I can't wait till I get out of this terminal broke period in my life, I really need a few more stones for my razors...

bathonuk
12-12-2012, 02:47 PM
At least I can join the J-nat club. These are my first stones and I hope not last. White Binsui and Red Aoto drom JNS. Can't wait to use them. Thanks Maxim

http://lh6.ggpht.com/-xCJJWf8DM-U/UMhujCcJx9I/AAAAAAAAMJI/-AAyb2lyS_4/s1600/20121212_114301.jpg (https://picasaweb.google.com/105172329006238409782/JapaneseNaturalStones#5821024066605795282)

Mr.Magnus
12-12-2012, 03:45 PM
My Toishi Ozuku Asagi. Slurrystone from Maxim. he did a great pick on the Tomo :)

12048
12049
12050
12051

gentlecook
12-12-2012, 04:47 PM
sdsds

Congratz with your first JNATS !

HF on sharpening way =)

gentlecook
12-12-2012, 04:55 PM
my current arsenal of stones:
Okudo Shiro Suita Koppa
Nakayama Maruka Kiita
Nakayama Kiita Kan
Takeshima Karasu
Ozuku Asagi

with a Tomo Nagura for each, as well as Asano Nagura progression stones:Botan, Tenjou, Mejiro & Koma


where is the PICTURES ?? :hungry:

schanop
02-03-2013, 08:15 PM
This Ohira satisfied my craving for type 24 finisher. A quick test after it landed this morning says that this is a keeper.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6C-Elyr56zo/UQ77JgLhuQI/AAAAAAAAAxc/7thF-d94Qm8/s800/ohira_type24_0.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-oygglj_TIuE/UQ77K323dMI/AAAAAAAAAxk/WXXPH4LLqkA/s800/ohira_type24_1.jpg

dmccurtis
02-03-2013, 10:58 PM
Damn.

cwrightthruya
02-03-2013, 11:18 PM
That is Awesome!!!!! Hopefully soon I will have its sibling :D
I hope you get a lifetime of great use out of it.

schanop
02-04-2013, 12:22 AM
The one waiting for you, Chris, looks very very clean. Even seems to be cleaner than the one I just got.

I must say my type 24 craze started after getting Aizu from you.

cwrightthruya
02-04-2013, 12:29 AM
The one waiting for you, Chris, looks very very clean. Even seems to be cleaner than the one I just got.

I must say my type 24 craze started after getting Aizu from you.

Type 24's are insanely addictive...I'm not sure what it is that is sooo alluring about them. But, I'm glad I could contribute to a fellow Knut and stone fanatic!!!! :D

mainaman
02-04-2013, 12:42 AM
Type 24's are insanely addictive...I'm not sure what it is that is sooo alluring about them. But, I'm glad I could contribute to a fellow Knut and stone fanatic!!!! :Dthey are aren't they? I already have ideas what the next one will be.

markenki
05-02-2013, 11:36 PM
This beauty just arrived today. My poor photography skills don't even begin to do it justice. Can't wait to try it out, but first I need to seal it.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h110/markenki/ohira_zpsa0cebe5b.jpg (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/markenki/media/ohira_zpsa0cebe5b.jpg.html)

mainaman
05-02-2013, 11:50 PM
This beauty just arrived today. My poor photography skills don't even begin to do it justice. Can't wait to try it out, but first I need to seal it.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h110/markenki/ohira_zpsa0cebe5b.jpg (http://s62.photobucket.com/user/markenki/media/ohira_zpsa0cebe5b.jpg.html)
Looks great, make sure to seal the sides.

Patatas Bravas
05-03-2013, 03:22 AM
Wonderful suita! Where'd you get it from?

markenki
05-03-2013, 10:17 AM
Wonderful suita! Where'd you get it from?
Maksim. :)

bathonuk
05-03-2013, 10:54 AM
Not knifes again but I love it. Watch in HD:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q4YTpa3Bwg&list=LLtIOnZz1j9pQuaBVyU83F6w

mainaman
05-03-2013, 11:02 AM
Not knifes again but I love it. Watch in HD:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q4YTpa3Bwg&list=LLtIOnZz1j9pQuaBVyU83F6w
I think you got the wrong thread hehe

bathonuk
05-03-2013, 11:05 AM
hehehhe this is what's happening when you've got too many pages open in mozilla:D heh
Can i ask admin to remove my post please and send it to youtube awesome?? thanks

maxim
05-03-2013, 11:26 AM
lol it is kind of stones and rocks :rofl2:

Patatas Bravas
05-03-2013, 11:40 AM
Wonderful suita! Where'd you get it from?Maksim. :)

Good score! It looked like many of the ones on the JNS site, but when I checked I didn't see it listed there as sold so thought I'd ask. Thanks.

Mike Davis
05-03-2013, 01:02 PM
How and why do you seal them? I have no j-nats yet...still a noob

maxim
05-03-2013, 01:14 PM
It is done so stone do not crack or brake, it is for reinforcement.
It dose happen but very rarely, so to be on 100 % safe side it is better to do so. You need to have that stone for your life time and pass it on :)

mainaman
05-03-2013, 01:15 PM
How and why do you seal them? I have no j-nats yet...still a noob
lacquer on the sides and bottom.

markenki
05-03-2013, 02:32 PM
The traditional sealer is cashew lacquer. I use shellac, as it is more easily available to me.

mainaman
05-03-2013, 03:28 PM
The traditional sealer is cashew lacquer.
The traditional sealer is Urushi lacquer, but it causes severe allergic reactions. It also has to be dissolved in turpentine, which does not smell too pleasant IMO.

markenki
05-04-2013, 01:33 PM
You are correct. Cashew lacquer is similar to, but not the same as, urushi lacquer.

Patatas Bravas
05-04-2013, 03:22 PM
So there's urushi lacquer, cashew lacquer and shellac... which is the best? Shellac?

mainaman
05-04-2013, 03:30 PM
So there's urushi lacquer, cashew lacquer and shellac... which is the best? Shellac?
I use Cashew, but it makes sense only if you have a lot fo stones to seal. One can is ~30 bucks for I think 50ml, the good news is it can be diluted a lot.
The easiest option would be Shellac, or some other water proof lacquer, readily available in stores.

cwrightthruya
05-05-2013, 12:42 AM
I simply use shellac on most of my stones. For $10 at Lowes, it can't be beaten. However, my best stones are done the "traditional" way, in Urushi. But as Stefan mentioned, and I can attest to the fact, it "can" cause severe allergic reactions. Also, if you are in the US it is quite difficult and expensive to get Urushi, but if you ever get to visit China, Korea, or Japan, it is much easier to come by.

dmccurtis
05-05-2013, 11:50 AM
I use clear lacquer. As much as I wanted to do it the traditional way, the cost of getting urushi here was just way too high.

maxim
05-05-2013, 11:52 AM
Yeah i think just clear lacquer also will be best, so you can still see the sides of the stone

Mike Davis
05-06-2013, 11:34 PM
I am all excited now...Might have to get with you Maxim, and get me some Jnats :)

bathonuk
05-16-2013, 09:06 AM
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-eoCrKWEBk2g/UZTF7cMcsiI/AAAAAAAAOmw/RmwntTcPqpE/s1600/20130516_123802.jpg (https://picasaweb.google.com/105172329006238409782/JapaneseNaturalStones#5878541038596698658)
Ohira Tomae lv4

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-KEobjh7uXM4/UZTGCImvaEI/AAAAAAAAOm4/33Cd008GUdg/s1600/20130516_123843.jpg (https://picasaweb.google.com/105172329006238409782/JapaneseNaturalStones#5878541153597352002)
http://lh3.ggpht.com/-ADW7NlCQcMk/UZTGIkdQfQI/AAAAAAAAOnA/aaDxS5Of_es/s1600/20130516_124033.jpg (https://picasaweb.google.com/105172329006238409782/JapaneseNaturalStones#5878541264152984834)
http://www.picasa2html.com/bypicasa2html.gif (http://www.picasa2html.com)created by picasa2html.com (http://www.picasa2html.com)

maxim
05-31-2013, 08:42 AM
With Ohira Range price increased i needed to get one my self :D
I gave 3 times more for it them my first one :surrendar::sad0: Well lesson learned hehe


Here it is

15707

15708

markenki
05-31-2013, 12:15 PM
Nice! What are the dimensions?

mainaman
05-31-2013, 05:42 PM
Here a few more of the collection:

2x Nakayama Maruichi Maruka Kiita for razors

http://i50.tinypic.com/kcmjgl.jpg

Big Naguras and small naguras

http://i47.tinypic.com/25p5thz.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/s5haf4.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/1r2rsw.jpg

Ohira Renge Suita Koppa (a huge one), you can see on the side shot that this stone is jam-packed with Renge

http://i49.tinypic.com/2i7ts1k.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/2r5s48x.jpg

Shinden Sunashu Siuta I think the color is Habutae with Karasu - a razor hone

http://i48.tinypic.com/14ajwvp.jpg
http://i49.tinypic.com/35m0apt.jpg

Yaginoshima Tomae(I think)

http://i51.tinypic.com/2cizog.jpg

Patatas Bravas
06-01-2013, 07:18 AM
Show off!

maxim
06-04-2013, 10:18 AM
205mm 75mm 40mm

Nice! What are the dimensions?

This 2 i did not decided yet if i want to sell
Ohira Damascus Suita
1576815769

Okudo Suita dementions 240mm 110mm 30mm
1577015771

maxim
06-04-2013, 11:23 AM
More Pics of 2 Ohira Range i keep for my self :D

15772157731577415775

Patatas Bravas
06-04-2013, 01:36 PM
I think any of these would make an excellent Deal of the Day. :angel2:

mainaman
06-04-2013, 11:32 PM
Finally got around to take pics of my Blue Aoto.
This is a beast of a stone, extremely hard, and releases little slurry. The polish is ~5k level.
The sweetest part is I got it on auction for nothing as an impulse buy.
I added a pic next to my big green Aoto , and one with scale.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2ue7ghi.jpg
http://i39.tinypic.com/2q3u2pd.jpg
http://i40.tinypic.com/2w4mq8g.jpg

Patatas Bravas
06-05-2013, 01:24 AM
Bought in on auction? Lucky you! Was it an amazing low price?

I suppose you might not have had any idea of the quality until you received it. How has it turned out?

mainaman
06-05-2013, 01:37 AM
I suppose you might not have had any idea of the quality until you received it.
Impulse buy so no I had no idea what it was, but for the price it did not matter if it turned one of the crappy 2k Tamba Aoto that are abundant now.

How has it turned out?As I said above ~5k finish, and super hard for Aoto- rather rare features for those stones.

Patatas Bravas
06-05-2013, 09:09 AM
.. rather rare features for those stones.

I see. Looks nice and sounds great.

Aphex
06-06-2013, 09:26 AM
Here's a terrible phone pic of my favourite natural. I'm shure you all know what it is.

http://s1.postimg.org/ynis20te7/Ohira_Range_Suita.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/gkppasxjf/full/)

Patatas Bravas
06-06-2013, 10:00 AM
Nice one. A recent acquisition?

markenki
06-06-2013, 10:33 AM
Very nice looking.

Aphex
06-06-2013, 10:56 AM
Nice one. A recent acquisition?

Not really, I bought this one years ago.

Patatas Bravas
06-07-2013, 06:45 AM
Rooftop view of my current stones, including a few recent purchases. From L to R: Ikarashi, red aoto, green aoto, tsushima, ohira tomae, ohira suita. Thanks to Maxim, ChrisW & Mainaman for recent recommendations & tips.

http://i1331.photobucket.com/albums/w585/PatatasBravas1/IMG_4823_zpsee99e8e7.jpg?t=1370598103

markenki
06-07-2013, 10:17 AM
Nice! How do you like the Ikarashi?

Patatas Bravas
06-07-2013, 11:03 AM
Nice! How do you like the Ikarashi?

Just received it this week. 'Deal of the day' score, though I'd had my eye on it for a while So far so good!

Opening the package it seemed quite soft and chalky. However, it's harder than I'd thought, has a smooth feeling when sharpening, and give off much slurry, which is a good thing for me.

I've sharpened a couple of knives now and it left a very nice toothy edge on my white#2 nakiri all on its own. Was impressed.

You have to flatten it when you buy it, though. I have a Naniwa flattening stone and a 400 Atoma and I used them both, but took about an hour. However, this was a good way to get aquainted with the stone and I didn't mind. I just watched something on the tube as I did it.

Patatas Bravas
06-07-2013, 07:00 PM
Oops, edit above: meant to write that it doesn't give off much slurry, at lease relative to my expectations

bathonuk
06-08-2013, 07:09 AM
Guys I have a quick question/ I have Ohira Tomae lv4 but I didn't had a lot of occasion to use it. I've used it on Ura side od deba and i sharpened Kato on it. How do you use it?? Do you have any suggestions or tricks?? Which knives do you sharpen on it? Thanks in advance.

maxim
06-08-2013, 07:49 AM
Hi

On ura side i usually make light slurry with nagura and take it on slurry, it make more uniform finish and also helps remuve a burr.

But on that hard stone make sure to make slurry before you use it, and you can use it on any knife

pkjames
06-14-2013, 08:40 AM
So, with the red (green) aoto from Maxim, and the Kizuyama suita from schanop (which is also from Maxim).
I can now officially join the club! I am sure more will come :D

The Red aoto (actually I think is is a hybrid between red and green, certainly feels harder than schanop's red aoto)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SQluEfX-m8M/UbsACmbsjzI/AAAAAAAABog/irbcdd-2_vs/w1200-h859-no/_1050003.jpg

The Kizuyama suita
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fbBAcfXjKk4/UbsADb4QKWI/AAAAAAAABoo/KP8CN0Xplwg/w1200-h900-no/_1050004.jpg

maxim
06-14-2013, 11:06 AM
:doublethumbsup:

Patatas Bravas
06-14-2013, 12:41 PM
Yes, this one def looks like it's on the green side rather than red, which should mean it's harder - which I'd probably prefer. Very useful stone, I think you'll find.

pkjames
06-14-2013, 11:52 PM
Yes, this one def looks like it's on the green side rather than red, which should mean it's harder - which I'd probably prefer. Very useful stone, I think you'll find.

it's indeed a really nice stone, very easy to work out the mud, and gives much better finish than synthetic stones. I am in fact getting rid of my shapton gs now :D

Bram
07-12-2013, 12:20 PM
Hi J-stoners - thought I'd add something here. These are my most recent additions: greenish akapin atagoyama ('green aoto') from JNS on the right and newly arrived hakka from Japan on the left. The hakka looks quite cool - not sure if you'd call that 'kan' or what? - but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. The green aoto is very handy; interestingly, it gave a far better edge to my stainless petty than all of my other stones, and of course it's great with the carbons too.

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/ag105/Bramtheman/HakkaGreen_zps62363567.jpg?t=1373641986

maxim
08-03-2013, 03:59 AM
Probably the Best Ohira Range Suita i ever seen Type 30 :bigeek:

Just perfect, it is sold now and going to US soon

17689

17690

17691

17692

17693

17694

Brad Gibson
08-03-2013, 06:41 AM
Whoa insanely nice jnat!

Asteger
08-03-2013, 08:51 AM
Wow! That one is so nice it looks like it's been manufactured to precision!

(Why sell? You should have kept it for your collection ;)

maxim
08-03-2013, 09:02 AM
haha i have wayyy to many stones now for my self :D I dont even use half of them

Asteger
08-03-2013, 09:22 AM
haha i have wayyy to many stones now for my self :D I dont even use half of them

Oh really? Then time for a discount sale!

markenki
08-03-2013, 12:37 PM
Wow. Lucky buyer.

vinster
08-03-2013, 01:27 PM
Nice stone! It never even made it to the website...

vinster
08-22-2013, 02:31 AM
I've gone a bit overboard. Here's my group shot. There are a few others I forgot to bring out, but this is the bulk of them.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-lg5X09x8pwY/UhWgB6w3nlI/AAAAAAAAADc/3PLFkWvH6_A/w921-h615-no/DSC_7279.JPG

Maybe the last time they'll all be seen together.

dmccurtis
08-22-2013, 02:44 AM
Nice set. I almost bought that Atagoyama level 3 at bottom right. Lucky you.

vinster
08-22-2013, 03:15 AM
Nice set. I almost bought that Atagoyama level 3 at bottom right. Lucky you.

That Atago is a keeper. Nice soft feel, yet very fine grit. I'm glad I pulled the trigger on it.

Asteger
08-22-2013, 05:55 AM
Holy cow!

dmccurtis
08-22-2013, 12:06 PM
That Atago is a keeper. Nice soft feel, yet very fine grit. I'm glad I pulled the trigger on it.

I'll bet you are. But if you ever get sick of it, let me know.

maxim
09-04-2013, 12:40 PM
Fatally got this set of total 64 stones !! All is different mines strata and look etc. :cool2:
some very very rare stones in there

Finishers
18426

Ara, naka, naguras, aoto etc.
18427

Dont get to excited they are only 40mm x 15mm each :D

Asteger
09-04-2013, 12:45 PM
Holy toishi!

Why have they all been cut so thin? Actually, they don't all look so thin.

Are these for your collection or for sale? What's the idea behind the purchase?

maxim
09-04-2013, 12:53 PM
sample display :)

Asteger
09-04-2013, 12:58 PM
sample display :)

Nice idea and would be great fun to try some of them. Too bad that Aarhus is, well, nowhere near where I live.

I can't make out all the kanji, and would take me a while to figure them out anyway, but looks like a fantastic assortment.

Vangelis
10-23-2013, 05:17 AM
I recently became member of the J-nat club. Just one stone, but I already love it.

A Oohiro Tomae Lv3,5 from Maxim. I tried it only once for sharpening my Hiromoto Gyuto. The progression was 1000K grit, 3000k grit and the Jnat - 1st without nagura and then with -. I am not an expert on sharpening but i was always able to get my knives sharp, however this time it was even sharper than before.

I also loved the feeling of the stone, it is very responsive and gives me a great feedback - much better than the naniwa snowwhite -. This stone seems to be a great finisher for my Hiro, I dont know how the other knives will match with it but I am sure I will be getting some very good results.

Thanks Maxim

Pics to follow.

maxim
10-23-2013, 09:55 AM
Thanks :D Happy that you enjoy the stone

Asteger
10-23-2013, 02:18 PM
Post photos if you'd like. Always fun to see more naturals.

Vangelis
10-23-2013, 03:09 PM
I really have troubles posting pics in this forum ... but will try.

vinster
11-23-2013, 02:21 PM
Here's an Ohira family picture:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-frUsW_1XvJk/UpDwPsvIR_I/AAAAAAAAAIU/dtaUEMDLRdk/w919-h614-no/DSC_8880.JPG

Mostly on the softer side, though some are a little harder. Some are faster than others. For the most part, they are pretty similar in grit. Not sure why the top left corner is missing in a lot of the stones. Is it some sort of mark?

*** Sorry for the poor picture quality. Google seems to scale my picture down and I cant figure out how to link to the full sized version...

CoqaVin
11-23-2013, 02:24 PM
Here's an Ohira family picture:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-frUsW_1XvJk/UpDwPsvIR_I/AAAAAAAAAIU/dtaUEMDLRdk/w919-h614-no/DSC_8880.JPG

Mostly on the softer side, though some are a little harder. Some are faster than others. For the most part, they are pretty similar in grit. Not sure why the top left corner is missing in a lot of the stones. Is it some sort of mark?


LET ME GET ONE OF THOSE LOL!

mainaman
11-26-2013, 08:12 AM
Here's an Ohira family picture:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-frUsW_1XvJk/UpDwPsvIR_I/AAAAAAAAAIU/dtaUEMDLRdk/w919-h614-no/DSC_8880.JPG

Mostly on the softer side, though some are a little harder. Some are faster than others. For the most part, they are pretty similar in grit. Not sure why the top left corner is missing in a lot of the stones. Is it some sort of mark?

*** Sorry for the poor picture quality. Google seems to scale my picture down and I cant figure out how to link to the full sized version...The ones with cut corner are #30 and are cheaper than those that are perfect shape. The missing corner is along the skin, where two layers of the strata are separated, not cut on purpose.

vinster
11-29-2013, 06:55 PM
Here are my stones from Atagoyama (maybe)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JID_IF_iRr8/UpkZVh9SnGI/AAAAAAAAAK8/V9LjrLhO90c/w921-h614-no/DSC_8925.JPG

Red aoto, green aoto, green nakato, green awasedo, kiita, and kiita. Last 3 are #24 stones, which seem to be more available with the atago mine than others. The green aoto is the most recent addition and I have to say it might be my favorite nakato so far.... smoother and more consistent than any aoto I've tried to date, including an expensive vintage one.

Asteger
11-30-2013, 04:33 PM
Vinster, you're shaming the rest of us!

vinster
11-30-2013, 04:48 PM
Vinster, you're shaming the rest of us!

No no, I'm the one who has to live with piles of rocks to remind me of my issues...

Asteger
11-30-2013, 04:54 PM
'Piles of rocks'!? More like a quarry from the sounds of it. Anyway, a good excuse to build your own toishi storage room.

Zerob
12-11-2013, 11:01 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/k4t2c8.jpg

Takashima & Ikarashi

Thank you maxim. My first jnats :D

CoqaVin
12-12-2013, 10:11 AM
how does that ikarashi perform thinking of getting one for my JNAT setup

Olsen
12-12-2013, 11:59 AM
how does that ikarashi perform thinking of getting one for my JNAT setup

:goodpost:Yup... I'd like to know that too. It should function as kind of bevel setter AFAIK... or??

Asteger
12-12-2013, 01:59 PM
Takashima & Ikarashi - nice combo

Yeah, you can start with Ikarashi and avoid synthetics for most sharpenings. If you need a bit more, then use a 1k first (or the JNS 800k: really complements naturals, I think), then move to the Ikarashi next.

Zerob
12-12-2013, 05:59 PM
http://i40.tinypic.com/s1i6ww.jpg

Ikarashi: cuts good for a jnat (1k to 2k as the site says) also leaves an even scratch patter (wish my camera was good at micro shots). I say great for beginners as it doesn't take off a lot fast.

http://i39.tinypic.com/syq8zm.jpg

Takashima: simply amazing, great feeling when sharpening, and makes a nice slurry with a splash of water. it also cleans up marks from ikarashi nicely.

Asteger
01-16-2014, 08:22 PM
Nothing happening on this thread for a month, and I also haven't noticed much jnat talk on the forums recently. So, to remind everyone that jnats are a lot more interesting than synthetics, thought I'd post a photo. This is basically my current collection where I stack it beside the kitchen.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/Asteger612/65f9c5de-1e39-4c8e-8c60-5f4065b3d129_zpsff9943b7.jpg

icanhaschzbrgr
01-17-2014, 03:57 AM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/Asteger612/65f9c5de-1e39-4c8e-8c60-5f4065b3d129_zpsff9943b7.jpg

That's an impressive set of stones! I guess a few more years of your jnats addiction and you'd have enough materials to build a house out of those bricks :doublethumbsup:

maxim
01-17-2014, 04:04 AM
i am bit surpriced that Nakayama still have kanji on it :eyebrow:

Asteger
01-17-2014, 06:46 AM
That's an impressive set of stones! I guess a few more years of your jnats addiction and you'd have enough materials to build a house out of those bricks :doublethumbsup:

Thanks, and what an idea! Wow... Imagine: a tennen toishi house...


i am bit surpriced that Nakayama still have kanji on it :eyebrow:

Yeah, I've been slow with the razor thing. But now that I've taken a photo, yes, time to remove that kanji. ;)

tagheuer
01-17-2014, 10:26 AM
Nothing happening on this thread for a month, and I also haven't noticed much jnat talk on the forums recently. So, to remind everyone that jnats are a lot more interesting than synthetics, thought I'd post a photo. This is basically my current collection where I stack it beside the kitchen.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/Asteger612/65f9c5de-1e39-4c8e-8c60-5f4065b3d129_zpsff9943b7.jpg

This is indeed very impressive :doublethumbsup:

Andrey V
01-20-2014, 01:53 PM
Good selection, nice Naguras as well!

Asteger
01-20-2014, 02:18 PM
Good selection, nice Naguras as well!

Thanks. Actually, I forgot and left out a few - a bigger Botan and 2 Tsushima, large and small. Very happy with the large Tenjyou I got off of BST from Mainaman; to think that was available for 1 or 2 months without a buyer... ridiculous! As for the small Asano set, very handy and often overlooked. Using nagura is a great asset. Also, small sets aren't hard to get at all - and can be cheap.

Andrey V
01-21-2014, 01:00 AM
Yeh, yeh, i say always: it's better to be rich and healthy , then poor and ill :) - to have a lot of stones in better then not to have them! I agree, the sets are always good, i 've got one from Maksim last week. I like to use Tomonaguras a lot, same on same ( as to me) feel always smoother, finer, better. And sometimes i like to proceed on harder good quality stone with different Naguras in progression rather then change of the finishing stone.

Andrey V
01-21-2014, 02:25 AM
Tell me pls, if you do like your Tsushima Naguras- i am still thinking, if i do really need also Tsushima. As a JNat fan for sure, but really?? With all the Naguras i have.. No, really, even being JNats nuts :)

quantumcloud509
01-21-2014, 04:56 AM
Very happy with the large Tenjyou I got off of BST from Mainaman; to think that was available for 1 or 2 months without a buyer... ridiculous!

I believe that thread is still going with a few stones left...in all honesty, if I knew what progression those stones went in and a little bit more about them I would have been paying attention to and jumping on them, but I dont, and have never met anyone in person who does, so unless I ever get showed in person what the stones mean, they have 0 meaning to me. I do have an ohira suita around the 10k grit level, but I dont even know how to talk about that stone in jnat terms.

Asteger
01-21-2014, 07:10 PM
Tell me pls, if you do like your Tsushima Naguras- i am still thinking, if i do really need also Tsushima. As a JNat fan for sure, but really?? With all the Naguras i have.. No, really, even being JNats nuts :)

Actually, there's no Tsushima in the photo above. They'd be black. I have a small Tsushima for slurry (not shown in photo) and I've sold a large JNS one on BST in the past. Large ones are very good - uniform, without any problems, harder and so and razor dudes like them I think. But feel is important to me and it wasn't really my cup of tea.


In all honesty, if I knew what progression those stones went in and a little bit more about them I would have been paying attention to and jumping on them, but I dont, and have never met anyone in person who does, so unless I ever get showed in person what the stones mean, they have 0 meaning to me. I do have an ohira suita around the 10k grit level, but I dont even know how to talk about that stone in jnat terms.

I've never really met anyone who knows about jnats, aside from in Japan. True, it does help to be able to try many stones. On the other hand, there's lots to read and videos to watch, and then things make more sense and you develop preferences, etc, like with anything.

Ohira suita - well, suita can all be different from what I know, and so someone would have to judge themselves or rely on another's opinion or recommendation - a seller or more experienced user - or if not just cross their fingers when purchasing. (Ohira are supposed to be pretty consistent in quality, for example, though there seems to be a big price range.) Of course you'd probably use yours as a finisher, and people love fast and fine suita, especially for tools. Is yours like this? A suita would normally have 'su' or tiny holes that would aid speed, even if myself I think 'speed' is over-rated and often sales-speak - though of course a stone isn't good if it's too slow and doesn't cut either.

In my case sometimes I like non-fine coarser finishers for many knives and tasks. 'Aoto' stones, or Takashima or Hakka or Tsushima, etc, should be good for this, and not as fine as your suita. These might not erase all scratches from coarse stones, and so some might want to go finer and do this to get the finish they want. On the other hand, I've received a new deba before with a really uniform but still clear scratch pattern, and I thought it looked quite cool, and so I sometimes don't care about obliterating all signs of scratch, and deba don't need to be so fine. I like to use even coarser stones too, because they feel better to me and are more interesting than synthetics, and can help create nice scratch patterns if you want. In the photo above I've got several that are more on the bevel-setter end, a Natsuya, Iyo and 2 Ikarashi, big and small, which could be used in the space between my coarsest synthetics up to the aoto/etc stones mentioned above. Therefore, with these I can avoid touching any synthetic. :cool2:

quantumcloud509
01-22-2014, 02:56 AM
Awesome answer.

Andrey V
01-22-2014, 07:55 AM
Thank's Asteger!
i use several naguras in progression, but it depends really ( my experience) what steel do you have.. They all work totally different on different knives ( i do not try to open Amerika to anyone, this is the loud thinking :)
I like coarser stones, i have severals, and my experience from it all says that they all are different, even if they have same names, same look etc. And that is the main sh...t! :viking:
But , whatever... It gives completely different feeling, as any synthetic does. That's what thrills me really.
Today i've got an Okudo Suita, a quite pretty one, but i can not manage to post a picture somehow , sorry..
What i understand with all these Jnats stories- this is a great stuff to employ yourself with something "mystic" either then.. I really get fun from it, i like it a lot, i use it a lot, but there are the great Big Boys toys, same as many others, and i like it. The main thing is a "dance" around the mines/names/stratas etc- it's really funny! it is to take seriously into consideration, no doubt, but anyhow, this is the funny stuff! let us enjoy it!
:justkidding:

Asteger
01-22-2014, 09:49 AM
I think learning about naturals is kind of like, for example, learning about wine - though more difficult and expensive. With wines you would traditionally have an idea of how something will be based on the AOC or vintage or, now, the brand or varietals, and with stones you have the layers and the mines and only occasionally a kind of 'brand'. The wine trade, names and AOCs of course are way more organized and transparent, though still often not. Anyway, if the natural business were still big in Japan, they'd probably have more of a system: standard naming conventions, quality assessments, and so on. Instead you hope that someone can test and recommend stones to you first, or that a stone is an Asano or Maruichi or Maruka or Asano, etc. Too bad there isn't more of that. Though on the other hand, if you start to learn a bit and can dig around, because people don't know and there aren't clear standards, then you might be able to find a bargain too.

Andrey V
01-22-2014, 12:02 PM
Totally agree, Asteger. I'am quite experience in matter of wines :).
I dig a lot also in Jnats for now. I have not a huge, but quite good collection, having not only some simple Awasedos, but also good Nakayamas Kiita, Different Suitas ( Shinden, Okudo as well), some other stones etc. i agree, the matter of stratas, layers, Tomae or Suita, Uchigumori or whatever, that is clear. You know, in wines you have to know not only the terroir or the vineyard, but also the millesime. BUT: inside the millesime, and taken from same vineyard the wine can differ only if you are not lucky with the cork. With Jnats it seems to be different- you can immagine, knowing that this mine gives in generally softer stones, and that the more harder one, than this layer is softer rather then that etc. And then comes the question is transparency with the sellers :)
The market is quite limited, this is more like the amplifiers for vinyl stuff ( my old passion). You have the lamps, but you never know if it will work as it should be before testing it ..
Same here- you know more or less the features ( from different sourses), but in reality before you try it with your own hands and knives...
That is thrilling, that is the kind of play, wether you've guessed or not...
But in general - i like it, i use it, i will continue it etc! :)
This week i'll get ( i hope) some great stones. Fine! And 2 great knives ( one of them is Shige Kitaeji!!). Tomorrow i pick up a Nakayama Kiita Nashiji, so, it's great! I'm still in doubt reg Tsushima, but this is more the idea whether to order it or not. Of course i will, and for sure from Maksim. Do i need it? Not sure. Will i order it? Sure!
So keep in touch et let us get the fun from it!

CoqaVin
01-22-2014, 12:33 PM
Asteger or anyone...have u used blue aoto? What would a good progression be blue aoto ikarashi then something like a takashima awawswedo

CoqaVin
01-22-2014, 12:33 PM
Wjat before the aoto?,if anything

Andrey V
01-22-2014, 01:01 PM
Hi, CoqaVin,
I have got a latest blue Aoto from Maksim, + i have a different one.
The question is- what do you use before ( i use some coarser stones, like Amakusa, White Bunsui). Of course, if your knife is a pretty dull one :).
The Blue Aoto from Maks is rather hard, so do not expect some quick slurry as soon as you start using it ( as with the regular Aoto). My Aotos ( the one i have and the other from Max) have even same stickers on their sides, but are COMPLETELY different ( this is to continue my thoughts exchange with Asteger).
I "help" the Blue Aoto with some Nagura - i use a Botan for it. Or a diamond nagura. Since you have some slurry, it works good. But as a finisher... I am not sure.. Of course, it depends on your knives. I use mostly Aogami/Shirogami ( all the 1/2 Super), Sweden steel, sone PM's, so quite hard with rates over 60 Rockwell. For softer steels or steel alloys ( like 57-58), f.ex Global knives etc- it can work. The finish is not that nice, but cloudy, and you will get sone " microserrator" :). If you like it- welcome! But a good finishing stone is a good finishing stone ! I would advise you ( just sharing my experience, if you allow) to get one 3-4 lv hard and a 3 Set of naguras from Maksim- and that will work great!

Andrey V
01-22-2014, 01:04 PM
I have completely forgotten all the synthetic stones, though some (8000 grits) gut very good! But being the Jnat " crazy"... :)
So- Amakusa/White Bunsui - great stuff , especially for softer steels

Asteger
01-22-2014, 09:31 PM
Asteger or anyone...have u used blue aoto? What would a good progression be blue aoto ikarashi then something like a takashima awawswedo

Yes, Ikarashi -> good aoto -> Takashima would be great. However, aoto are generally considered to be good knife finishers anyway (the 'king of knife finishers' or something like that) - unless you want to go extra fine like many KKFers seem to prefer. The term 'aoto' is used in many ways, though, so it's hard to generalize about them, though generally you'd still imagine that they're grey/bluish/blackish and from the Tanba area in west Kyoto. If you mean the recent 'blue aoto' on JNS, I haven't tried one, but I assume they're good and a nice price if they are. And by the way 'ao' means 'blue' and 'to' means 'stone' and so by definition an aoto is a 'blue stone'. (So odd for us to call aoto 'red blue stone' or 'green blue stone' or 'blue blue stone' etc.)

Andrey V
01-22-2014, 11:29 PM
Agree. You need the finer ( and much more expensive) stones only if you really care about extremely fine up to perfect finish. That what most Jnat's users like ( otherwise you take Shapton, Naniwa, JCK custom etc 8000 grit et voila)
The JNS Blue Aoto ( funny, blue blue stone) is really harder then others similar, give a pretty sharp cutting edge, but is not so quick, one should work rather hard on it. My observation: some nagura ( depends on your needs) is needed, because it helps a lot, here can be used ( my opinion as well) the diamond nagura, the fine one, like DMT 1200.
And anyhow- the harder the steel, the finer the stone. Under 58 no need to go up, waste of money. The great " bite" will be achieved already with Aoto, but the real " rafinesse" - with good finishers and good investment... Again: my observations.

JDA_NC
01-23-2014, 12:27 AM
+1 to what was said about the current blue aoto being sold

I'm still working on learning its quirks. I also don't know if it's just crusty/dried out - I don't break in any of my naturals b/c I only have a cheap, not so flat diamond plate. I figure it does more harm than good. I was really surprised (even though Maxim mentions it is harder and finer than most aotos) by just how hard, fine & not so muddy it is. I couldn't work up any mud putting serious pressure on the edge - it wasn't until I laid the blade flat that it started to mud up. It's fairly slow cutting as well.

I've put basically my whole kit on it & it reacts well to carbon and leaves a nice edge on it. Surprisingly it also worked well with my Gesshin Ginga stainless, which is some swedish stainless AFAIK, but it really didn't like any of my more inexpensive stainless. Not surprised there, but I wanted to at least try.

I bought a set of Asano naguras from Maxim as well, not because I thought I'd need them with my Hakka or Aoto, but when you factored in free shipping it only cost me around $10 - glad I did. I've been using them on my aoto as well after the first knife, and it helps a lot with this stone.

All in all, I'm happy I got it. It's not as soft or muddy as I'd like, but it's slow dishing, inexpensive, and leaves a pretty good edge once you work at it

Andrey V
01-23-2014, 09:41 AM
Exaclty what i mean- same experience with my Blue Aoto from Maksim. Very hard, no mud, slow, but: some nagura helps a lot! AND: with the nagura it becomes totally different in comparisson to my " normal" Aoto. So to say: this Blue Aoto can be used up to me as a finer stone then the soft muddy Aoto.
Reg diamond plate: i preffer not to use it on fine expensive stones as nagura, but here it really helps a lot. Botan works great on it. The stone needs some " kick". The stone is consistant, hard, has a very uniform body, is also heavier in comparisson to same size " normal" Aoto ( wich means is harder and finer). And considering it's price+ Maksim's service it's a gift!! Use this possibility! Recommended !

CoqaVin
01-23-2014, 10:25 PM
Exaclty what i mean- same experience with my Blue Aoto from Maksim. Very hard, no mud, slow, but: some nagura helps a lot! AND: with the nagura it becomes totally different in comparisson to my " normal" Aoto. So to say: this Blue Aoto can be used up to me as a finer stone then the soft muddy Aoto.
Reg diamond plate: i preffer not to use it on fine expensive stones as nagura, but here it really helps a lot. Botan works great on it. The stone needs some " kick". The stone is consistant, hard, has a very uniform body, is also heavier in comparisson to same size " normal" Aoto ( wich means is harder and finer). And considering it's price+ Maksim's service it's a gift!! Use this possibility! Recommended !

What is a good finisher for under 300

jklip13
01-24-2014, 12:10 AM
Here is a new Nakayama I got
21797

Asteger
01-24-2014, 01:47 AM
Here is a new Nakayama I got

Beauty! A koppa? Where'd you order from?


What is a good finisher for under 300

How about a Takashima - from JNS or aFrames, etc. However, there are lots of awasedo (finishers) for under 300; they are generally the tomae layer, but there are also some suita too. As usual, you're never quite sure how they'll be until you try them.

jklip13
01-24-2014, 10:38 AM
A friend sold it to me along with a maruka

Andrey V
01-27-2014, 08:09 AM
Oh, the Nakayama is nice! I've just got one, i love it. Is a bit hard, but rather quick and it looks awsome!
Congratulations, jklip13!

simar
01-27-2014, 03:18 PM
I have recently come to learn about Jnats, here are the few finishers I have managed to collect so far. L to R: Ohira, Ozuku, Nakayama
http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/e804248c865b11e3b78d12fcfc50b5e4_8.jpg

jklip13
01-27-2014, 06:14 PM
man I hate to see that Maruka go
-Jon

Andrey V
01-28-2014, 03:41 AM
What is a good finisher for under 300

The good solution would be ( if you look at JNS Maksim's offer) :
- an Okunomon Lv 3 - very affordable price and a good stone as well - hurry or i do it :)
- or Oohira Tomae Lv 4 - a rather hard one, but take a set-of-3-Naguras ( i would advise a Tomo Nagura as well) - and you have a pretty cool hard" finishing board" with slurry generators, that will allow you to change the gritness of the stone using different Naguras, and to finish with it's own slurry ( will be rather hard to get ir, but..) - if you need the semi-polished edge. The Kasumi or Mirror is anyhow better to see on single bevelled knives rather then on double bevelled. On western knives you polish the cutting edge. Oohira ggives you this. Or just stop on Toma Nagura. That will be a pretti cool set( Oohira+Naguras)
- a Takashima ( + Naguras)
- an Atagoyama - this is more expensive, but looks to a very nice finisher. And the size........ This is a real BRICK!!
So, you have enough to choose from :)
-

vinster
01-28-2014, 04:19 AM
I have recently come to learn about Jnats, here are the few finishers I have managed to collect so far. L to R: Ohira, Ozuku, Nakayama
http://distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com/e804248c865b11e3b78d12fcfc50b5e4_8.jpg

I saw that Nakayama on the website and I was ready to buy it... then I realized it was sold! :curse:

I've been trying to get my hands on a nice nakayama kiita but no luck yet. Much of what's out there is hard and not ideal for knives...

Andrey V
01-28-2014, 06:57 AM
http://gx2.japan-messer-shop.de/images/product_images/popup_images/dscf0828.jpg
hi to everybody here
what could you tell me reg this stone?

Andrey V
01-28-2014, 07:16 AM
I've got it under the name Gobyoyama Tomae Ikimurasaki - is pretty nice, is tretty hard, but cuts VERRRY good,creating a nice sticky slurry, harder then Suitas, finer as well ( i feel it like 10000+ ), leaves very nice finish, is great even after Suitas to get the perfect edge. very heavy for it's size ( ok, Tomae, very consistant and it confirms again it's fine structure)
I 've never heard this name before, the only traces i have found were on some blogs in Japan saying in eng that it is a rare stone , very fine, similar to a very good Nakayama Kiita. Whatever- the result is great, i like it already, let it be the part of my "Tennen Toishi House" :)
Later i will show the photos while and after the sharpening

Andrey V
01-28-2014, 07:17 AM
http://files.mail.ru/A08FEBA1C3FE40F0968EBC9AAFF8A3CD?t=1
that's it

CoqaVin
01-28-2014, 10:57 AM
looks cool andrey

Asteger
01-28-2014, 11:03 AM
Can't see your picture, Andrey :(

CoqaVin
01-28-2014, 11:03 AM
right click and copy the image url then paste it in a new browser window

Asteger
01-28-2014, 01:01 PM
right click and copy the image url then paste it in a new browser window

Cheers!

Andrey - This one looks like it's from Totoriya, no?

CoqaVin
01-28-2014, 01:12 PM
i would post a picture from that link but I do not understand Russian :dontknow:

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 12:18 AM
right click and copy the image url then paste it in a new browser window

It does not work with my images! That' s why i have tried to insert it over fttp server. It works only with images posted on other sites( i have copied one from there) and that makes me crazy :). ( believe me, i know, what's the right click- on my pc i see only " copy image" and no " copy url" . I will find the solution, the images from the last stones are just awesome!

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 12:26 AM
Cheers!

Andrey - This one looks like it's from Totoriya, no?

No, it is not. But the stone is pretty cool. And it's a fine finisher, i must say! It works great on softer (58-59 Rockwell) stainless steels, and very good on my favorite high- carbons. I wanted to use it after Suitas, as an ultimate final finisher, and it works! Very heavy, very consistent, a piece-of-solid-rock, quite expensive as well.

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 12:41 AM
I saw that Nakayama on the website and I was ready to buy it... then I realized it was sold! :curse:

I've been trying to get my hands on a nice nakayama kiita but no luck yet. Much of what's out there is hard and not ideal for knives...
I use a very good Nakayama Nashiji Kiita- i love it! Yeh, it's a bit hard, but it cuts! It's quick, fine, gives a very smooth feeling. And it looks so cool... It gives the thick dark grey to black slurry, even without nagura. Leaves a finish .... I love it! Even more then my very fine Okudo Suita!! Often seems to be too hard for knives but great for razors, but can be good for knives as well! Maksim has a great one Nakayama Kiita right now, i 've checked it yesterday. Later i'll post an image of mine while sharpening ( dry/wet/ slurry/finish)

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 06:25 AM
It does not work with my images! That' s why i have tried to insert it over fttp server. It works only with images posted on other sites( i have copied one from there) and that makes me crazy :). ( believe me, i know, what's the right click- on my pc i see only " copy image" and no " copy url" . I will find the solution, the images from the last stones are just awesome!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q83/s320x320/1779221_640856015973524_103939990_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/q77/s320x320/1796671_640856009306858_1612623992_n.jpg
voila - it works over Facebook :)

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 06:27 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q83/s320x320/1779221_640856015973524_103939990_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/q77/s320x320/1796671_640856009306858_1612623992_n.jpg[/IMG]
voila - it works over Facebook :)

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 06:32 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q83/s320x320/62384_640858329306626_1203568620_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1/q79/s320x320/1656082_640858325973293_1739561809_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/q72/s320x320/1485068_640858322639960_1208008849_n.jpg
another nice finisher - bought as Kiiro Suita Sunashi - works great on VG10, PM steels, also some high-carbons. Create good mud quickly. I like it

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 06:37 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q82/s320x320/1618653_640859732639819_204476082_n.jpg
i like this stone as well
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q75/s320x320/1622780_640859759306483_2135073963_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q87/s320x320/1621966_640859729306486_1796357616_n.jpg

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 06:50 AM
and one more- actually bought as Okudo Suita ( looks very similar to those i've seen before, who knows??) - it has Su , it cuts well, the stone is rather hard, i like the stone a lot.
https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q82/s320x320/1620850_640863022639490_1656733323_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q77/s320x320/1017443_640863039306155_152714809_n.jpg

Asteger
01-29-2014, 10:09 AM
Excellent! Great to see the pictures.

Andrey V
01-29-2014, 03:03 PM
Excellent! Great to see the pictures.

I have more, these are just some to enter the club :)

Asteger
01-30-2014, 06:19 PM
This one looks like it's from Totoriya, no?No, it is not.

I had a 2nd look, and the first 2, the Gobyoyama and sunashi suita, are definitely Totoriya - originally at least. Those are their stamps. ;) Supposedly very nice stones, so it's a good thing.

JDA_NC
01-31-2014, 12:15 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/q83/s320x320/62384_640858329306626_1203568620_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/t1/q79/s320x320/1656082_640858325973293_1739561809_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/q72/s320x320/1485068_640858322639960_1208008849_n.jpg
another nice finisher - bought as Kiiro Suita Sunashi - works great on VG10, PM steels, also some high-carbons. Create good mud quickly. I like it

I like this stone a lot!! Where would it be in your progression?

Andrey V
01-31-2014, 03:26 AM
I had a 2nd look, and the first 2, the Gobyoyama and sunashi suita, are definitely Totoriya - originally at least. Those are their stamps. ;) Supposedly very nice stones, so it's a good thing.

reg Totoriya - yes, seems to be their stamp,no doubt, but bought outside Japan.
The stones are really outstanding and absolutely different. Both are great finishers, but Gobyoyama is harder ( that's clear , Tomae strata) - and finer as well, anyway these are great toishi!

Andrey V
01-31-2014, 03:32 AM
I like this stone a lot!! Where would it be in your progression?

if you mean Kiiro Sunashi Suita - this is a fine finisher - so the progression would be ( depends on how dull the knife is- but to start from a very dull one) : Amakusa-Bunsui-Aoto(soft)-Aoto( the hard one from Maksim)-Sunashi- (if i need the extremely fine edge)-Nakayama/Gobyoyama
Instead of Sunashi there coule be any other good finisher with in lv 2,5-4 ( i have some to choose from) - it depends on steel type, of course.
That's it!

Asteger
01-31-2014, 07:15 AM
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/Asteger612/63e6ba33-8f16-4be2-8ac0-47f8b6e5cff9_zps05d916cb.jpg

2 Ikarashi: The big one is new and the smaller is my original, now sold. I like these a lot and was hoping for a larger one, but didn't know they existed in the same quality until recently, and then - voilà! A stroke of luck, and easily a type-24. They're both quite blue in this photo because they'd been in water, which really brings out the colour.

I've already lapped the top and bottom of the big one somewhat as these come rough and not ready for use, and I've started to smooth the ends and sides to improve the shape and get rid of the weathered stains and dark stuff. The mine these are from closed over 50 years ago, and so you can imagine how these must have been sitting around somewhere in storage unloved. It's going to take some more time, but the new one should end up looking like a large light blue luminescent marble brick by the time I'm finished.

Andrey V
02-03-2014, 05:37 AM
My new Shinden Suita- great stone!!!! and some new Uchugumori with some Yoshinogami, new Tomonaguras
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1800112_643422222383570_237203645_o.jpg

and my new Shigefusa Kitaeji :) !!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t31/1836847_643422195716906_2007019620_o.jpg

Asteger
02-03-2014, 09:37 AM
I'd love to try out a good Shinden.

Andrey V
02-03-2014, 11:36 AM
I'd love to try out a good Shinden.
This one is awesome... Very smooth, all the visible lines are non-toxic, the stone is semi-transparent ( it is actually not, but you get this feeling, similar to Okudo Suita), and has a lovely color when wet.. I have invested some time till i've got it, i tell you. But this one is just an outstanding performer.
I'm "dancing around" a beautuful Nakayama Karasu, and a nice one Nakayama Kiita.. If i 'll manage it- i'll show it for sure!

Asteger
02-03-2014, 01:06 PM
I'm "dancing around" a beautuful Nakayama Karasu, and a nice one Nakayama Kiita.. If i 'll manage it- i'll show it for sure!

Well, your stone exploits are the stuff of dreams!

CoqaVin
02-04-2014, 12:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/pyJfnPml.jpg
vintage aoto from maxims personal collection

tried it out on a stupid henckles I had in the back of the kitchen drawer and this thing raises a burr like no other best stone I have hands down THANKS MAXIM

Asteger
02-04-2014, 01:11 PM
http://i.imgur.com/pyJfnPml.jpg vintage aoto from maxims personal collection - tried it out on a stupid henckles I had in the back of the kitchen drawer and this thing raises a burr like no other best stone I have hands down THANKS MAXIM

More photos? More info? Sounds great

CoqaVin
02-04-2014, 01:14 PM
what would you like to know?

I asked Maxim what I needed and he said it would do better than an Ikarashi and I am rather happy and from Denmark to the US so fast great service!

Asteger
02-04-2014, 02:17 PM
what would you like to know? I asked Maxim what I needed and he said it would do better than an Ikarashi and I am rather happy and from Denmark to the US so fast great service!

Different stones: Ikarashi are not meant as finishers and aoto are, I think, favourite traditional finishers for kitchen knives. Aoto also generally have unknown origins, so I'm curious if more is known about this one and which mine it is, etc. (Often this isn't known so no problem, as long as it's good.)

CoqaVin
02-04-2014, 02:24 PM
Maxim can you reply as to what mine this is from?

Asteger
02-04-2014, 02:35 PM
Maxim can you reply as to what mine this is from?

:thumbsup: Also, I've you've got a good old aoto, you're quite lucky. There are some real devotees.

CoqaVin
02-04-2014, 05:02 PM
I am becoming quite the devotee with my first "Vintage" stone

All I need for now is a nice Coarse stone the Amakusa is not cutting it

banjo1071
02-05-2014, 07:50 AM
Hi everyone
I recently got addicted too. I aquired some stones directly from japan and was sometimes puzzled by the funny googletranslation. Maybe you could help me out. Of course "nest plate" is suita, "zhongshan" is sometime nakayama, "Wheel" is whetstone, "crow" is karasu and so on.
But was is:
Iris
nitta subang
motoyama
...

Could someone help me here?

Thans a lot
Benjamin

jklip13
02-05-2014, 10:42 AM
Iris = Renge

jklip13
02-05-2014, 11:16 AM
And from what I can see from pictures Nitta Subang is probable either Okudo or Shinden Suita

Asteger
02-05-2014, 01:24 PM
Hi everyone
I recently got addicted too. I aquired some stones directly from japan and was sometimes puzzled by the funny googletranslation. Maybe you could help me out. Of course "nest plate" is suita, "zhongshan" is sometime nakayama, "Wheel" is whetstone, "crow" is karasu and so on.
But was is:
Iris
nitta subang
motoyama
...

Could someone help me here?

Thans a lot
Benjamin

Haha, yes. You probably know, but the trouble is auto-translations of Japanese work very poorly and we often get the literal meanings of the kanji. Kanji can also have different pronunciations and implications.

'Iris' = Shobu 菖
'Nitta subang' = Shinden suita 新田巣板
'Motoyama' = Honyama 本山

I have no idea what 'subang' is supposed to mean (in Indonesian/Malay it means 'earring') or why some things ('zhongshan' for example) are translated into Chinese and not English. It's not easy, and big advantage if you can actually read some of the Japanese. Probably why few people on KKF look to buy this way.


Iris = Renge

renge is 蓮華 or 'lotus'

Tosho
02-05-2014, 01:40 PM
Thanks for the info! good to know

vinster
02-05-2014, 05:32 PM
Here are some of my stones that *might* be kiita:
http://i.imgur.com/rrmVYGt.jpg?1
"kiita" roughly translates to yellow plate or something like that, but I've read that it ranges from lime green to all shades of yellow... so my question is this. Does kiita refer to any particular strata? Is it just from the namito layer? Can suita stones be classified as kiita? Tomae stones? Or is it purly used to describe the color?

Which of these (if any) would be considered kiita?

jklip13
02-05-2014, 07:59 PM
Thanks for correcting me Asteger, still learning

Asteger
02-06-2014, 12:45 AM
"kiita" roughly translates to yellow plate or something like that, but I've read that it ranges from lime green to all shades of yellow... so my question is this. Does kiita refer to any particular strata? Is it just from the namito layer? Can suita stones be classified as kiita? Tomae stones? Or is it purly used to describe the color? Which of these (if any) would be considered kiita?

I've seen stones of more than one stratum named kiita, so I don't think there's any rule about which strata they come from, though of course kiita colours are likely to occur in certain strata more than others. Not completely sure about this, but my feeling is: a mine is a mine and a stratum is a stratum, but other names you encounter like kiita, karasu, renge, habutae, etc, can just be used when seen fit as they're subjective. It probably only takes a stone seller or owner to say, 'Look my stone is yellowish, so it's a kiita.' Therefore, I think you can probably say that any of those stones are kiita.

On the other hand, I think when people think of kiita I think they imagine nakayama or honyama, as those are the traditional and coveted ones, and therefore kiita probably implies origin in that sense. In your photo, I don't think anyone would dispute that honyama on the left is a kiita, nor the second one with the Kyoto tennen toishi stamp.

So I think the above is probably right, but no guarantees. None of us are real stone experts on KKF!

maxim
02-06-2014, 08:36 AM
Sorry guys i have still many things to do and did not fully recovered yet, so all my replies is very slow :(

it is from Tamba, but Tamba is not a mine just a region. So it can be from many places

As it is quite old Aoto i have no idea where it comes from :D Sorry


Maxim can you reply as to what mine this is from?

maxim
02-06-2014, 08:38 AM
I think most of us here know more about stone then many many Japanese Natural stone retailers.
So you are bit wrong about that
Noone really cers about mines or stratas come from, most of Japanese care more about how stone work.


None of us are real stone experts on KKF!

Asteger
02-06-2014, 10:33 AM
I think most of us here know more about stone then many many Japanese Natural stone retailers. So you are bit wrong about that. Noone really cers about mines or stratas come from, most of Japanese care more about how stone work.

I didn't mean that many natural sellers in Japan are experts, though I'm sure some know their stuff, and there certainly are some experts too. But okay, I'll follow you as it's more fun and I've changed my mind: we are experts! :angel2:

Asteger
02-06-2014, 12:32 PM
Sorry guys i have still many things to do and did not fully recovered yet, so all my replies is very slow :(

... Also, hope you feel better again soon. In the mean time, we'll try and enjoy ourselves with the discussions here.

CoqaVin
02-06-2014, 12:34 PM
Hope you feel better Maxim!

Thanks Again much appreciated...

maxim
02-08-2014, 05:54 AM
I didn't mean that many natural sellers in Japan are experts, though I'm sure some know their stuff, and there certainly are some experts too. But okay, I'll follow you as it's more fun and I've changed my mind: we are experts! :angel2:

I think expertise come from trying so many stones as possible :D
Almost all stone vendors in Japan dont try out stones before they sell them. And some do but not on knives. usually on chisels or on kanna blades
Thats why i think some of us have more knowledge what work best for knives razors etc .

JDA_NC
02-10-2014, 09:25 PM
http://i.imgur.com/vtCQ4bh.jpg

My lil' collection: blue Aoto, Hakka & Monzento

http://i.imgur.com/sKIfAQT.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3NBE6pO.jpg

I'm very happy with all three but I love, love, love the Hakka. Smooth, soft, and muddy. Just a real pleasure to sharpen on and it leaves an incredible edge on my knives. I've wrote about the Aoto earlier in this thread - still working on figuring out how to utilize it best. The Monzento is my most recent purchase and I'm having a lot of fun playing with it.

charles222
02-10-2014, 11:03 PM
I think expertise come from trying so many stones as possible :D
Almost all stone vendors in Japan dont try out stones before they sell them. And some do but not on knives. usually on chisels or on kanna blades
Thats why i think some of us have more knowledge what work best for knives razors etc .

That's actually really interesting. I would assume the opposite.

tagheuer
02-10-2014, 11:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3NBE6pO.jpg

I'm very happy with all three but I love, love, love the Hakka. Smooth, soft, and muddy. Just a real pleasure to sharpen on and it leaves an incredible edge on my knives.

That's one very beautiful Hakka.

Asteger
02-11-2014, 12:09 AM
My lil' collection: blue Aoto, Hakka & Monzento ... I'm very happy with all three but I love, love, love the Hakka. Smooth, soft, and muddy. Just a real pleasure to sharpen on and it leaves an incredible edge on my knives. I've wrote about the Aoto earlier in this thread - still working on figuring out how to utilize it best. The Monzento is my most recent purchase and I'm having a lot of fun playing with it.

Thanks for posting the photos. Yes, nice-looking Hakka.

About the aoto being 'blue' Vinster has a theory that they could be called blue because of the paper label many come with. (Like 'blue steel' I guess.) It's possible....

How similar are the aoto and the monzento? I think they're mined very close to each other. It takes some effort to get a good aoto, and I hear mixed impressions of the monzento which, I think, can sometimes be too soft or sandy. (For instance, I notice they're not carried on JNS.) How would you describe yours?

Asteger
02-11-2014, 12:20 AM
Originally Posted by maxim

I think expertise come from trying so many stones as possible
Almost all stone vendors in Japan dont try out stones before they sell them. And some do but not on knives. usually on chisels or on kanna blades
Thats why i think some of us have more knowledge what work best for knives razors etc .

That's actually really interesting. I would assume the opposite.

Makes sense when you think of it. The number of naturals sold for knives appears to be small, and stone sellers and tool users seem to have the strongest connection in Japan. Sellers on the internet also deal in tools and other things and so it'd seem unlikely that they'd be testing with knives, though some do or can if you request. They're probably also not the types to cook. Internet sales is a new thing too, and I don't think many are good at it and I think the normal thing would probably be for a local client to visit a seller and try out a stone himself with some general suggestions about which might work well with knives. Of course having a mix of good know-how and also being able to test the stone would be best.

Andrey V
02-15-2014, 05:36 AM
Dave has inspired me so much ( with his Hiromoro full SPA treatment) - i can't do the same- so i started to change my Hiromoto using Ohira Uchigumori Hazuya ( a softer one), then Juzuya ( a harder one), then i added the Takashima slurry (Max- your Takashima is really outstanding!) - it looks already much better :) - i have to work around the bolster, and even more to achieve the ultimate finish.
2 days invested ( 2 hours +1,5 hours ) - et voilà - i like the change already a lot- it's silky, hazy, very fine. The difference between it's native finish ( a mirror) and Kasumi is big, 4-5 next days at least - and that will be a piece, i hope. It has an Augami Super core- i like to use it , is one of my "work horses".
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31/1926201_650260675033058_498234444_o.jpg

icanhaschzbrgr
02-15-2014, 07:13 AM
Very nice finish on this Hiromoto Andrey! :thumbsup:

Andrey V
02-15-2014, 07:16 AM
Thank's :)

Andrey V
02-16-2014, 11:57 AM
Today i've got my new white Ohira Suita with beautiful purple-reddish Renge on it. Nice stone, cuts so quick! I wonder it it will match my new Mizu-Honyaki, which i've bought today :). Maksim has to supply a bunch of great knives! Itinomonn, Kato, Mizu- Honyaki Gyuto 240.. Nice stuff...
I'll make the photos later

panda
02-19-2014, 02:35 AM
what is the monzento like?

JDA_NC
02-19-2014, 03:21 AM
what is the monzento like?

Very soft & very, very muddy

Give it a quick rub with water/your hand and it'll start to kick up mud - which is awesome because that's what I was looking for. Compared to the Aoto I have which is much finer, harder, and takes a lot of work to raise any substantial mud.

I'm interested in seeing how much it dishes.

I was touching up my Hiromoto AS gyuto today on it and I was shocked by how quickly it raised a burr. I was going to jump up to another stone after the Monzento but the edge it left was stupid good. Hyper toothy & sticky to the touch.... tore through all the types of paper I had in the house like it was nothing. I've been taking my edges to more refined grits lately and I forgot just how nice that can feel sometime. I'll see how it holds up through a few shifts.

JDA_NC
02-19-2014, 03:36 AM
I don't know if it was a lucky day for me or a mix of focusing on my technique & the stone itself - but the edge I got today felt like that sweet spot between a 1k grit stone and something like a Rika 5k. I leave some of my knives with a JNS 800 edge (which I feel is more 1-2k) and it's not as rough feeling as that, but also not as polished feeling as an edge off the Rika.

panda
02-20-2014, 01:23 AM
i wish you could get them in half size, i was interested in one of those before i got a fine aoto. mine leaves around 5k finish and i sometimes feel a toothy 4k edge is preferable.

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 06:48 AM
Very nice finish on this Hiromoto Andrey! :thumbsup:

now, after some more days and hours of fine precise work it has become much better!
http://saveimg.ru/pictures/26-02-14/826725f1d3434b6f8319fba366f901df.jpg
http://saveimg.ru/pictures/26-02-14/d3d241d3d65e6841cdf378b87c0d73d7.jpg

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 07:03 AM
My new great Nakayama http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1620/2089642/24518045/408786661.jpg
i've got a very fine Ohira Shiro Renge Suita ( white Suita with beautiful reddish/purple pattern on it)- is pretty quick http://i.imgur.com/Ks94gzB.jpg
a new Takashima from Maksim http://i.imgur.com/QmubiVL.jpg, http://i.imgur.com/KnoBA0N.jpg

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 07:16 AM
and a good Ohira Uchigomori - i will round up one side to polish the sides of the knifes, besides the fingerstones.
http://pic80.picturetrail.com/VOL2041/11274169/24507798/408593167.jpg
a coppa from Ohira - Uchigomori to break down for fingerstones, which i love to use a lot for ultimate finish
http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-27988581933240/ohira-uchigumori-koppa-for-jizuya-or-hazuya-7-9oz-finger-stone-4.gif

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 08:17 AM
My new very uncommon looking Nakayama Suita- i could not resist, the color is so nice- it's very homogen despite it's pattern, no toxic lines or dots to damage the blade or even to feel them while sharpening. It's so nice while wet.. really nice- and very quick as well- though it works MUCH better on high-carbons then on stainless steel- the best result is on Shirogami 1 - the worthest on VG10 !
http://i.imgur.com/4L6Q0We.jpg, http://i.imgur.com/VghICst.jpg

and some of my "raw material" Ohira Uchigumori with Yoshinogami paper ( the used one, but it's ok :)
http://i.imgur.com/77dO1iy.jpg

and some new Tomonaguras, like this one very beautiful Okudo - i can use it to sharpen the Kuri Koganata, for example http://i.imgur.com/xFW4BrT.jpg
So , if i 'll continue to "burn' the money in that way, the time for a small Tennen Toishi House will come soon! :) :) :)

Asteger
02-28-2014, 11:11 AM
Oh boy, someone's been busy. Very nice!

Andrey, I've actually received some Yoshino-gami with 2 stones I bought, but do you know anything more about it? Is there a use? I thought it was just decorative and threw it out. Also, how do you plan to round up the one side of the bigger uchigumori? Oh, and very nice Nakayama - the crazy one.

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 01:21 PM
Hi, Asteger,
Yehh, the stones are great, i tell you, the white Ohira Renge Suita is great as well , and super fast, i tell you! Though my love to Nakayamas never ends.... :)
The Yoshino gami paper is used to reinforce the fingerstones, to glue it on and polish them down to get the very thin fingerstone to polish the blade. I use them often ( you can see it above)- nice, isn't it? I mean the Hiromoto.
I will round it using a diamond plate and the coarser stones( also some artificial stones in 280-1500 grit), i'd like to form a shape i will use to pre-finish the sides of the knives. Before my fingerstones. The dust will be used as a stone powder ( in combination with some other finer stones) - we will see!
Which Nakayama you like more- the killer from above or the smaller bizarre looking one? Both perform great. Typically Nakayama. I have sone other ad well, they all are a little bit different, but always great. One performs better on stainless steels, the other on carbons, being very slow on ss etc- the nature as it is... Amazing..

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 01:32 PM
And finally : i've got a new Big Tsushima Nagura - nice as well, a very good prefinisher, could be used à la place d'Aoto :). I use it also for smoothing the surface after lapping on finishers. This was Maksim's Thushima! A very good one!

Asteger
02-28-2014, 02:05 PM
The Yoshino gami paper is used to reinforce the fingerstones, to glue it on and polish them down to get the very thin fingerstone to polish the blade. I use them often

Ah yes, of course. Should have realized. Yes, yoshinogami can look quite good. (By the way, 'gami' already means 'paper' so no need to call it yoshinogami paper. Maybe just yoshino paper or yoshinogami are okay.)


I will round it using a diamond plate and the coarser stones( also some artificial stones in 280-1500 grit), i'd like to form a shape i will use to pre-finish the sides of the knives. Before my fingerstones. The dust will be used as a stone powder ( in combination with some other finer stones) - we will see!..

Try and post photos of the process and/or result. I don't think many people know about this.


And finally : i've got a new Big Tsushima Nagura - nice as well, a very good prefinisher, could be used à la place d'Aoto :). I use it also for smoothing the surface after lapping on finishers. This was Maksim's Thushima! A very good one!

I'm not sure if you know, but Tsushima were mined in 2 places, on land from a mountain and underwater off the coast of Tsushima, which is an island between Japan and Korea. Sometimes sellers specify Tsushima stones as 'mountain' or 'sea' and the sea ones are reputed to be best. Do you know the origin of this one?

Andrey V
02-28-2014, 03:29 PM
No, i don't. Better to ask Maksim.
I have heard this before, but not sure where is it from.. Will try to find it out
Reg " Gami"- Shirogami, Aogami, Yoshinigami- yes, i know:). Same like blue Aoto :)
Just told it and that's all, shouldn't be critical, the other info is more important, isn't it? :)

Asteger
02-28-2014, 09:47 PM
Reg " Gami"- Shirogami, Aogami, Yoshinigami- yes, i know:). Same like blue Aoto :) Just told it and that's all, shouldn't be critical, the other info is more important, isn't it? :)

Absolutely not. This is crucial! :angel2:

Andrey V
03-01-2014, 03:18 AM
Absolutely not. This is crucial! :angel2:

Ohhhh,
You know, when the people want to understand eachother- they do it, when they have other intentions -they do it as well.
This is crucial!
I thought always, that the guys share here some ideas, their own experience etc- this is the open blog zone , isn't it?? :)
So- only for you: Yoshino paper, or just japanese paper, even without any special name, or even a piece of something to reinforce the fingerstone- important- it should work, with a mantra or without it :).

Asteger
03-01-2014, 11:18 AM
Andrey, do you use any particular lacquer? One of these days I'm going to lacquer some of mine, but I've been lazy about getting round to it and also waiting to get natural lacquers. (A friend is holding some urushi, etc, for me that I have to pick up.) I'm assuming the new Tsushima is lacquered; the one I had from JNS had already been lacquered and paper-reinforced, and I was just reading in another place today how it is important for Tsushima which always seem to be lacquered.

Yoshino - Might be made from rice as I've heard of 'rice paper' being used with lacquer. Could make sense as it the yoshino I had was thinner, and so probably would be easier to work with.

Andrey V
03-01-2014, 01:45 PM
Andrey, do you use any particular lacquer? One of these days I'm going to lacquer some of mine, but I've been lazy about getting round to it and also waiting to get natural lacquers. (A friend is holding some urushi, etc, for me that I have to pick up.) I'm assuming the new Tsushima is lacquered; the one I had from JNS had already been lacquered and paper-reinforced, and I was just reading in another place today how it is important for Tsushima which always seem to be lacquered.

Yoshino - Might be made from rice as I've heard of 'rice paper' being used with lacquer. Could make sense as it the yoshino I had was thinner, and so probably would be easier to work with.

Asteger- you won't believe, today i was surfing through the WEB trying to find something to replace urushi :)! I have heard many times that it could be possible to use the cashew shellack instead of. I have found it already ( de- waxed version).
I'll try on a Takashima, it needs quick lacquering. My Tsushima has been already protected. My old good Jnats ( Ohiras, Nakayamas, Shinden, Okudo etc have the same protection).
I suppose that not only Yoshino could be used as a reinforcement, actually ( i suppose ) some thin fabrics, why not?? Or even some fine fibers, with a very fine structure.

TaJ
03-01-2014, 02:00 PM
Andrey, could you share a link please? I'll get the stone i brought from Asteger soon and i might want to laquer it as well. I thought shellac and cashew were different ones. What i'm looking for is a clear laquer, so i'll still see the stone

icanhaschzbrgr
03-01-2014, 02:06 PM
Is that really that important what chemical you'll use to protect the stone? After all JNATs are just stones… and the only function of lacquer is to protect stone from water/humidity. Right?

My experience though is limited to only one stone. I got Takashima from JNS and following Maxim's advice covered it with shellac. Quick, cheap and works fine. Maybe I'm missing something but it works for me.

Asteger
03-01-2014, 02:44 PM
Is that really that important what chemical you'll use to protect the stone? After all JNATs are just stones… and the only function of lacquer is to protect stone from water/humidity. Right?

It's a good question, but I'm not sure anyone here really knows about this. On one hand, we can play it safe (if we can get the materials) and use traditional methods. On the other hand, I think people like Maxim and other (mostly former) KKF big collectors also use cheaper and available lacquers where they live. Not sure to what extent the lacquers are artificial.

There might be some concern about the stability and chemisty of the stone material, beyond the more physical things we see, when using any kind of lacquer. These rocks were deep within mountains, etc, for millenia and perhaps solvents are not the healthiest and most stable for the newly exposed stone material, with perhaps artificial solvents being worse. I've also read the suggestion that you should even just use pure, clean water when you use stones, and not harsh tap water for this reason. Makes some sense.

I have no idea if these things matter, but can understand the reasoning. On the other hand, there's the convenience and cost involved in buying sealing materials, and we don't know that traditional/natural is necessarily the best. Maybe aritifical is fine.

Myself, as these are traditional tools and interesting for that reason, I'd prefer more traditional methods, just as I prefer the naturals over synthetics.

Andrey V
03-01-2014, 03:11 PM
I think, that the non- toxic materials are just better, because they are non toxic. Urushi can ( and often does) cause the heavy allergic reaction. The shellacs does not ( or , at least , the risk is low)
The urushi provides nothing more ( for a Jnat, not for decorative items) then the polymerized coating, which protects the stone from humidity and helps to glue it as well , it comes into cracks reinforcing the surface etc, so it should be possible to find the modern non toxic " Ersatz" for it.

Andrey V
03-01-2014, 03:22 PM
Andrey, could you share a link please? I'll get the stone i brought from Asteger soon and i might want to laquer it as well. I thought shellac and cashew were different ones. What i'm looking for is a clear laquer, so i'll still see the stone

Sure, sorry, cashew and shellac are different ! I was looking at those ( reading/ discussing the possible order etc), so , you know, as after Freud, what you are thinking about...:) sorry again. The shellac should be more affordable. Need to seal my Takashima soonest

TaJ
03-01-2014, 06:00 PM
I see, ok. Well, i am interested with what you all come up with. Which of the laquers we talk about are clear, meaning translucent?

banjo1071
03-03-2014, 09:51 AM
Hi there¨
I am almost certain, that this stone ist rubbish, but maybe its not. Can someone more knowlegable than me enlighten me?

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/m47Jq6vihKzJBJ8MOfMq2dMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mail

Thank you so much
Benjamin