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Dave Martell
06-15-2012, 06:10 PM
This is the set of stones that I most often recommend because this is what I reach for everyday....

http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set1dmcore.htm (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set1dmcore.htm)

Dave Martell
06-15-2012, 10:37 PM
http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/v/vspfiles/photos/Set1DMCore-2T.jpg?6/15/2012 7:32:08 PM (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set1dmcore.htm)

Dave Martell's Core Set of Sharpening Stones (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set1dmcore.htm)

This set includes the following...


Beston 500x (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/bstn500.htm) - A fast cutting yet very slow wearing which are the essential elements that make up a good coarse stone. This Beston 500x leaves a fine finish for this grit range and is an excellant stone for fixing edge chips/nicks as well as more serious grinding tasks. This stone cuts like a 220x but leaves a 500x finish. For knives that skid on diamond plates this stone will grab and go to work. I use this stone to remove edge nicks/chips, to set new bevels, thin edges, and flatten the blade roads of single bevel Japanese knives. I find it to provide great feedback and ease in "feeling the bevel" which helps in holding the knife steady and staying level in use. I keep two soaking in my bucket at all times and have always kept back-ups on hand "just in case of emergency". This stone is a must have in my opinion.


Bester 1200x (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/Bester-1200-Sharpening-Stone-p/bstr1200.htm) - This is a nice wide fast cutting yet slow wearing coarse stone. It leaves a fine finish in this grit range and is an excellent stone to start off a normal sharpening session with as it cuts a bevel quickly. I find it to provide great feedback and ease in feeling the bevel which helps in holding the knife steady and staying level.


Suehiro Rika 5k (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/suerika5k.htm) - One of the best feeling/feedback waterstones I've ever used, a pure joy to work with.This stone offers, what appears to be, a 3000x edge (not very shiny) however the edge quality is 5000x, no question about it. This stone makes a great stopping point for double bevel knives.

SameGuy
06-15-2012, 10:47 PM
Hey, I resemble that remark.

:)

unkajonet
06-15-2012, 11:37 PM
Definitely can't go wrong with that setup.

Dave Martell
08-13-2012, 04:44 PM
This has been a great seller for us and I'm happy about this not just because I make a few dollars but because I use and believe in this set and know that this is going to give the new user a great head start with years of use to come. Yeah it's my favorite set up for good reason.

Justin0505
08-13-2012, 05:03 PM
That's cool, Dave: very helpful and a great bargain for new folks to get all the basics covered for under $140!

mr drinky
08-13-2012, 05:49 PM
Yeah, that's a great way to sell them. I can see why it is a top seller.

Btw, Dave, for those of us that bought your core stones back when you were recommending the synthetic blue aoto (2000-3000k), how does that stone fit into your recommendations these days?

Just wondering.

k.

Dave Martell
08-13-2012, 06:23 PM
Yeah, that's a great way to sell them. I can see why it is a top seller.

Btw, Dave, for those of us that bought your core stones back when you were recommending the synthetic blue aoto (2000-3000k), how does that stone fit into your recommendations these days?

Just wondering.

k.



That's a very cool stone that I still use all of the time but only on single bevels now. I've found that I get benefits from using it on wide bevels but that it's a tad slippery for me to maintain the really fixed position that a thin double bevel edge needs to make it really crisp. For single bevels though, this is a must have for edge quality (toothiness & deburring) plus looks as well.

I'm not as quick to promote this stone as I used to be though, the issues with it's crackability is something that needs to be considered. I have a strong warning on my site about this.

Marko Tsourkan
08-14-2012, 12:52 AM
I sometimes alternate Bester 1200 with JNS 1K, but overall, this is a set that I have used for years and plan on using for years to come, as it works well on carbon and stainless alike.

Thanks for bringing it back, Dave -

M

MadMel
08-14-2012, 04:39 AM
Dave, How does the bester 1200 compare to the bester 2k? wondering if I should get it and the rika.

ecchef
08-14-2012, 08:47 AM
Dave, I've been using this line-up for a few years now, with the addition of a Naniwa 3k SS for single bevels, and the occasional progression to 8 & even 10k when I feel really ambitious.
My only issue is with the Beston 500. As the stone wears down I've found some random inclusions, and it's an enormous pain in the ass to flatten. In light some of the other stones in this grit range that have recently become available, would you still consider the Beston as the top choice?

Dave Martell
08-14-2012, 10:36 AM
Dave, How does the bester 1200 compare to the bester 2k? wondering if I should get it and the rika.


Hi Melvin,
The Bester 1200x is essentially a true 1k stone, something that gets used both in transition from really coarse stones to remove scratches as well as the starting point for touch ups when dropping to a coarser stone isn't required. The Bester 2k is similar yet doesn't (IMO) do either of those things as well. The weird thing is that if you laid all three Besters (1000, 1200, 2000x) on a table and let people try them all side by side you never know what people will chose as their preference so it's all very subjective. I'm not sure that I would tell you to replace/upgrade your 2k with the 1200x but if you had nothing I'd point you towards the 1200x as the safer bet.

Dave Martell
08-14-2012, 10:46 AM
Dave, I've been using this line-up for a few years now, with the addition of a Naniwa 3k SS for single bevels, and the occasional progression to 8 & even 10k when I feel really ambitious.
My only issue is with the Beston 500. As the stone wears down I've found some random inclusions, and it's an enormous pain in the ass to flatten. In light some of the other stones in this grit range that have recently become available, would you still consider the Beston as the top choice?


I have a love/hate relationship with the Beston 500x, there's no denying this as it's not perfect, yet it won't allow me to remove it from my bucket. The thing with the Beston is that it does some things that other stones don't do as well. For instance the cutting of a crisp bevel is one of it's attributes and this is because it wears a lot slower than it cuts. Another worthy mention goes to it's ability to tackle AS (Aogami Super steel) like nothing else I've used. One of the things I like about this stone is it's lack of scratchability to the sides of blades (from loose grit) that it doesn't provide which is rare thing in coarse stones

It has it's drawbacks though, as you mentioned it's not so easy to flatten and I've found it's not the best thing for working on really wide bevels. I haven't seen the inclusion issue you mentioned and that's with about 15 or so stones that I've used up but I believe you since who knows what gets into a stone when it's being made.

NO ChoP!
08-14-2012, 10:59 AM
15 used up 500's....

now that's a lot of sharpening!

Vertigo
08-14-2012, 11:01 AM
15 used up 500's....

now that's a lot of sharpening!

And it's not the only coarse stone he uses....


:jawdrop:

Taz575
08-14-2012, 09:46 PM
Funny, as many other stones as I have, I keep coming back to the 1200 Bester and Rika 5K, then finish on J Nats from there. The edge off the Rika is pretty nice and the 1200 works quick, great combo of stones!!!

ecchef
08-15-2012, 05:29 AM
I love the feel of the Rika 5k. I found an unidentified natural in the kitchen here that I'm bringing back to life. Looks promising.

ThEoRy
08-15-2012, 10:31 AM
Dave, I've been using this line-up for a few years now, with the addition of a Naniwa 3k SS for single bevels, and the occasional progression to 8 & even 10k when I feel really ambitious.
My only issue is with the Beston 500. As the stone wears down I've found some random inclusions, and it's an enormous pain in the ass to flatten. In light some of the other stones in this grit range that have recently become available, would you still consider the Beston as the top choice?

What is it about the 3k ss that you like for single bevels and how or for what purpose do you use it? I have this stone just laying around as I never really liked it much or found it's niche.

Taz575
08-23-2012, 12:37 PM
Got a Beston 500 finally! Is it OK to leave as a PermaSoaker? I have my Beston 1200, Rika 5K and Synthetic Blue Aoto in the bucket constantly, OK to add the 500 as well?

Dave Martell
08-23-2012, 03:10 PM
The Beston 500x works best when left perma-soaking

ecchef
08-23-2012, 07:34 PM
What is it about the 3k ss that you like for single bevels and how or for what purpose do you use it? I have this stone just laying around as I never really liked it much or found it's niche.

Ahhh....sorry for the delayed answer. The only reason I like it is because I can get a nice matte grey finish on the blade road. It's all cosmetic; never even touches the edge.

Dave Martell
09-03-2012, 07:22 PM
I just added this to the store....

Dave Martell's Core Set of Sharpening Stones + The Art of Knife Sharpening DVD 2-Disc Set (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set2dmcore.htm)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/dmart/DaveMartellCoreSetStonesDVD.jpg (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set2dmcore.htm)

Crothcipt
09-03-2012, 07:30 PM
Borked Dave.

ThEoRy
09-03-2012, 08:38 PM
Ahhh....sorry for the delayed answer. The only reason I like it is because I can get a nice matte grey finish on the blade road. It's all cosmetic; never even touches the edge.

Ahh I see. I may have to give it another run then. For my setup this would become a bridge between the bester 1200 and rika 5k before I finish with the kitiyama on yanagiba. For deba I usually stop at the rika. How do you work this in.

On topic: Nice addition with the dvd. Very helpful starting out. It answered a lot of questions.

Oniram
11-15-2012, 07:03 PM
I just added this to the store....

Dave Martell's Core Set of Sharpening Stones + The Art of Knife Sharpening DVD 2-Disc Set (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set2dmcore.htm)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v438/dmart/DaveMartellCoreSetStonesDVD.jpg (http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/set2dmcore.htm)


Is this set going to come back in stock before XMAS?

Dave Martell
11-15-2012, 08:53 PM
I hope so but likely not. :(

quantumcloud509
12-11-2012, 03:21 AM
I want, but can't have :sad0::sad0::sad0::crytissue::crytissue::crytissue : Id buy, but its not available...anyone want to sell their used set? PM me please.

miketayl0r
12-11-2012, 03:41 AM
This is my current setup. Been working great for a novice like me :-)

quantumcloud509
12-11-2012, 03:52 AM
I might have to bite the bullet and order the kit from the site we shall not speak of and get the 3k dave speaks of from JKS...and hopefully I dont put down the 6 month payment plan on the Nakiri hes offering :D :D: :D

Dave Martell
12-11-2012, 12:01 PM
The Beston 500x is what's missing from the set, we won't have them in until the New Year because some large US knife dealer bought up all the maker had. Sorry about that.

wsfarrell
12-11-2012, 12:57 PM
Maxim appears to have them in stock.

quantumcloud509
12-11-2012, 01:10 PM
The Beston 500x is what's missing from the set, we won't have them in until the New Year because some large US knife dealer bought up all the maker had. Sorry about that.

Any ETA? I mean I could probably wait if it wont be over a month wait. My knives need a touch up sometime soon for sure though, I just had to purchase a couple new ones because the ones in my rotation were getting dull :D I want to get the set and your DVD.

Lefty
12-11-2012, 01:22 PM
If it's the 500 that's missing, maybe you could order from Dave now and have the rest sent immediately, then get the 500 sent over, via snail mail, once it's in.

The 500 won't be needed/used at the start anyway.

Dave Martell
12-11-2012, 08:33 PM
Any ETA? I mean I could probably wait if it wont be over a month wait. My knives need a touch up sometime soon for sure though, I just had to purchase a couple new ones because the ones in my rotation were getting dull :D I want to get the set and your DVD.


We've been told "in the New Year" for almost 2 months now and just last week heard the same thing so that's all I have to offer. I'm of course hoping that means Jan. 1st but that nothing ever happens the way I hope. :bashhead:

jmforge
12-12-2012, 09:39 PM
Dave, when will you be getting more DVD's? I'm allegedly making these durn knives now, so I figure that i should try to learn how to put a rudimentary edge on them.:D

Dave Martell
12-12-2012, 11:51 PM
Dave, when will you be getting more DVD's?


Not soon enough.....hopefully this week though

jmforge
12-12-2012, 11:52 PM
That would be soon enough. :doublethumbsup:
Not soon enough.....hopefully this week though

quantumcloud509
12-16-2012, 05:18 PM
I guess the mom in law is offering to buy me a present for Christmas, so Im gonna ask her for the 3 stones from wherever I can find them, but once you get the dvd in Ill get that and the 3k splash n go from ya.

Dave Martell
12-16-2012, 09:42 PM
I guess the mom in law is offering to buy me a present for Christmas, so Im gonna ask her for the 3 stones from wherever I can find them, but once you get the dvd in Ill get that and the 3k splash n go from ya.


Take her offer! :)

Thanks for the future sale.