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Andrew H
07-09-2012, 02:14 PM
I was wondering if people who have handled both could comment on what the difference is between them and if it is worth it to go for the KS line. It sounds like the blade road is more even from what Koki posted.
This would be my first single bevel so it is important that the blade road has minimal high / low spots, but is it worth the $?

bieniek
07-09-2012, 03:53 PM
there is a big difference.

You gamble ordering KK.
Thats the reason i sold mine

Duckfat
07-09-2012, 04:00 PM
Unless you are very comfortable opening a single bevel knife the KS is well worth the extra few bucks.

Dave

bieniek
07-09-2012, 04:59 PM
The cheaper oxidize faster and easier, and the patina is ugly. Its not depending on the blades finish.

The cheaper is shite, there is big chance it will drive you nuts with the warping and overgrinds, but it shure cuts like hell.

la2tokyo
07-09-2012, 08:27 PM
I don't know the price difference, but I had a KS yanagi for my first knife, and it was a great tool that I happily used for many years. Although I have better knives now, I still use the KS when my other knives aren't sharp, and it's perfectly fine for me to go back to. The KK on the other hand, is not even remotely close. The fit and finish is bad, and everything about it looks and feels cheap. The only reason to get it would be as a throw-away first knife, but it's not cheap enough to do that, so I see little point in buying it. It doesn't hold edge, and it's harder to sharpen. IMHO - avoid it.

Messy Jesse
07-09-2012, 11:19 PM
I've had:

KK Yanagiba 330mm
KS Yanagiba 300mm
KK Yanagiba 270mm
KK Deba 180mm

I still have the 270mm and the Deba. KKs are great! The KS was really nice as well, came with a really flat bevel, but the KKs were be no means that badly finished. Sure the KK will take you a little more time to even out, but they are amazing knives, I use mine every day, and wouldn't hesitate to order more.

The KS also felt a little more "machine finished" to me, I know that can't be the case, but I like the feeling of the KKs more for some reason.

If it's your first single-bevel, I think you should get the KK, learn how to sharpen and care for it, and upgrade if you grow out of it.

SameGuy
07-10-2012, 05:13 AM
The KK usuba I was playing with at Union Commerce in April looked and felt very, very nice to me. I have no idea how it would look opened and sharp, but the factory finish was good and the whole knife was very straight. It wasn't even as expensive as I feared (but I still ended up coming away with a very simple Ittosai nakiri in blue steel that looked nicer for about $100 less).

Sushi Ninja
07-12-2012, 04:28 AM
kasumi vs hongasumi, id go with the KS. it's that extra peace of mind kinda thing

vai777
07-15-2012, 09:13 AM
KK and KS....pretty much the same knife....if you are good with stones / sharpening go with the KK...if you want something almost good to go out of the box...KS...I have a KK yanagi and it's great....

Sushi Ninja
07-15-2012, 04:18 PM
what style are you preferring though? if yanagiba, get the KI

schanop
07-15-2012, 07:06 PM
At JCK, KS comes with saya, KK does not. Factor that in, and the price gap reduces quite a bit.

Pensacola Tiger
07-15-2012, 07:50 PM
At JCK, KS comes with saya, KK does not. Factor that in, and the price gap reduces quite a bit.

A good reason to buy a KK from Korin.

schanop
07-15-2012, 08:08 PM
At JCK, KS comes with saya, KK does not. Factor that in, and the price gap reduces quite a bit.


A good reason to buy a KK from Korin.

Korin's KK price has already includes saya which makes the price gap between KK and KS pretty close.

For AU clients, JCK is a better choice for MASA when shipping is factored in.

Messy Jesse
07-15-2012, 09:21 PM
Then get a saya for $30 at Chefs Armoury. Still cheaper ;)

schanop
07-15-2012, 09:29 PM
Deba is about fifty bucks ...

Messy Jesse
07-15-2012, 09:33 PM
I thought we were talking yanagi?

schanop
07-15-2012, 09:35 PM
I doubt it was anything specific.

Sushi Ninja
07-15-2012, 10:33 PM
same here. if it's yanagiba, get the KI. white#1 > white#2

Andrew H
07-15-2012, 11:28 PM
I actually ended up getting a yoshihiro from Jon. I know I will get something with a very even blade road from him.
Thanks everyone for your info. Hopefully this helps other people when they are making their decision. @Sushi Ninja, why do you like White #1 more than #2?

Sushi Ninja
07-16-2012, 01:40 AM
not generally better, i just prefer it more cause it's tougher and can achieve a sharpness level above white#2 :dontknow:

Messy Jesse
07-16-2012, 03:56 AM
Masamoto KI? Never heard of it... where can I see one?

Sushi Ninja
07-16-2012, 04:14 AM
http://www.masamoto-sohonten.co.jp/catalog.html

page 8 on the very top. yanagiba is the only style available in it's class.

i didn't know that masamoto specialize in swedish steel, they have a swedish wa-gyuto with the same profile and shape like the KS and HS wa-gyuto that's highly reviewed on here. planning to get both eventually :D

Sushi Ninja
07-16-2012, 04:19 AM
found a couple pics of the Masamoto KI 300mm

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/jdmdc5its/Misc/ScreenShot8.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/jdmdc5its/Misc/ScreenShot9-1.jpg

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/jdmdc5its/Misc/ScreenShot10-2.jpg

the back says white#1 (i think) :knife:
http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af110/jdmdc5its/Misc/ScreenShot11.jpg

JBroida
07-16-2012, 03:04 PM
nope... just white (which can mean anything from white #3 to white #1)

Sushi Ninja
07-17-2012, 03:34 AM
i've asked koki and mari and they both said it's hon kasumi white #1. the price itself is a step above the ks yanagiba too.

not that i don't believe u jon :whistling: lol

JBroida
07-17-2012, 01:25 PM
thats cool...i was just telling you what the blade actually said

Sushi Ninja
07-17-2012, 02:10 PM
what does the bottom letter say jon? when i looked up awhile back, white translated to the top letter only

JBroida
07-17-2012, 03:59 PM
turns out i was entirely wrong... the bottom seems like a stylistic way of writing ichi (one)... white 1 after all. Sorry for the confusion.

SpikeC
07-17-2012, 04:19 PM
I want my money back!

bieniek
07-18-2012, 02:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFh6DPtAmjM

Jon I think Youll understand :)

Crothcipt
07-18-2012, 03:12 PM
I like Patrick Stewart's original voice better.

bieniek
07-18-2012, 04:11 PM
If he would say "what the f*ck is going on there?"...

..then me too!!