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hmmm
08-12-2012, 06:23 AM
How regularly should you change out the water of the Gesshin stones when you leave them to sit in it. Cheers.

tk59
08-12-2012, 01:18 PM
When you see mold on your container or it's dirtier than you like. The stones themselves (soakers) should be fine indefinitely.

Zwiefel
08-12-2012, 01:28 PM
Just don't leave your stone in the water indefinitely!

JohnnyChance
08-12-2012, 03:33 PM
Just don't leave your stone in the water indefinitely!

My soakers are in water except when I am using them.

unkajonet
08-12-2012, 03:34 PM
My soakers are in water except when I am using them.

+1

GlassEye
08-12-2012, 03:35 PM
Water must be changed every 31.7 hours.

Pensacola Tiger
08-12-2012, 03:50 PM
Water must be changed every 31.7 hours.

And don't feed them after midnight.

Zwiefel
08-12-2012, 03:59 PM
My soakers are in water except when I am using them.


+1


Really? I thought leaving them for more than 30-40 minutes would damage them...making them too soft. Does it depend on the specific stone?

JBroida
08-12-2012, 04:00 PM
lol... you guys crack me up. I leave my soakers in water all the time. My water gets changed daily (sometimes more), but the gist of it is to change the water before it starts to get funky. You can also add a tiny bit of bleach to your water to help it stay clean longer.

Cutty Sharp
08-12-2012, 04:20 PM
Bleach? I thought of this, but I'm not sure how sensitive the chemistry of the stones is and what might occur. Plus bleach has that short half-life.

At any rate, unless you're a sharpening pro and always at it then your water probably sits around giving rise to some sort of ecosystem, and I at least wouldn't want my stones immersed in that. Okay, you won't use those blades for medical surgery, but appetite-wise at least I wouldn't want to be messin' with nice knives and skanky stones. The stones will absorb water and most of whatever else, presumably. Bacteria bricks!

JBroida
08-12-2012, 04:41 PM
bleach doesnt really have any negative effect on soaking stones... many resinoid stones and magnesia stones on the other hand, dont like bleach water as much.

tk59
08-12-2012, 04:46 PM
Bleach? I thought of this, but I'm not sure how sensitive the chemistry of the stones is and what might occur. Plus bleach has that short half-life.

At any rate, unless you're a sharpening pro and always at it then your water probably sits around giving rise to some sort of ecosystem, and I at least wouldn't want my stones immersed in that. Okay, you won't use those blades for medical surgery, but appetite-wise at least I wouldn't want to be messin' with nice knives and skanky stones. The stones will absorb water and most of whatever else, presumably. Bacteria bricks!
Even bacteria have to eat something, lol. If you have water and rocks, the only stuff left to eat is the container or soap residue, etc. Pick any of your body parts. I'd bet there are more and weirder bacteria there than there are in my stones...maybe. :O

Cutty Sharp
08-12-2012, 05:15 PM
Even bacteria have to eat something, lol. If you have water and rocks, the only stuff left to eat is the container or soap residue, etc. Pick any of your body parts. I'd bet there are more and weirder bacteria there than there are in my stones...maybe. :O

Yup - and you seem to know things about my body parts that even I had no idea about! Still, I'd like to picture even my cheap stones in a pristine, crystal-clear, free-running mountain spring water environment - and if not, then dry. Yes, stones tend to enjoy a very pleasant lifestyle in my home. ;)

obtuse
08-12-2012, 06:52 PM
I change my water weekly and add a little bleach to prevent mold growth.

Vertigo
08-12-2012, 11:45 PM
I leave my soakers submerged full time and only change the water when I get really inspired. So much hassle with all the... you know... dumping of the water. And filling of the water. Bah.

Zwiefel
08-12-2012, 11:53 PM
I leave my soakers in water all the time.


I leave my soakers submerged full time and only change the water when I get really inspired.

Well....slap me on the @$$ and call me Charlie. Stupid interwebz lied to me!

From now on I'm going to pop them in the water when I get up on a sharpening day and not worry about it so much anymore. Glad I spoke up and got corrected. Thanks guys!

Pensacola Tiger
08-13-2012, 12:16 AM
Well....slap me on the @$$ and call me Charlie. Stupid interwebz lied to me!

From now on I'm going to pop them in the water when I get up on a sharpening day and not worry about it so much anymore. Glad I spoke up and got corrected. Thanks guys!

Just make sure your stones can be left in water. Not all can. Most naturals can't.

Zwiefel
08-13-2012, 12:24 AM
Just make sure your stones can be left in water. Not all can. Most naturals can't.

Kitayama and Mizuyama?

ThEoRy
08-13-2012, 12:32 AM
The Kitiyama is basically a splash and go. Though I do like to soak it for 5 minutes or so before I begin. It's pretty much the only stone I don't have permasoaking.

Cutty Sharp
08-13-2012, 01:34 AM
At any rate, in my Korean kitchen & apartment I don't have the luxury of space for a permanent sharpening zone where appropriate stones can sit in murky water until the next sharpening session. I've already seen a couple of photos of people's custom-built home knife display cabinets, etc, and was wondering where some of you do your sharpening? Does anyone have a purpose-built sharpening room? Wouldn't be surprised! I will use the plastic table on the balconey outside, or the kitchen counter, and when done will have to put everything away.

Sara@JKI
08-13-2012, 03:02 AM
I'd love to have Jon change water at least once a day.... We wash our face at least twice a day, brush our teeth three times a day... why not stones?

Cutty Sharp
08-13-2012, 09:25 AM
I'd love to have Jon change water at least once a day.... We wash our face at least twice a day, brush our teeth three times a day... why not stones?

Absolutely! Especially considering how stones are so much more important.

hax9215
08-13-2012, 11:36 AM
And don't feed them after midnight.

+1!!!

Hax the Cook CLEAVERS RULE!!! :D

hax9215
08-13-2012, 11:40 AM
bleach doesnt really have any negative effect on soaking stones... many resinoid stones and magnesia stones on the other hand, dont like bleach water as much.

Jon, one has to be really stupid to question your wisdom regarding knives. Here goes!!! Won't any bleach negatively affect carbon blades vis-a-vis' rustING?

Hax the Cook CLEAVERS RULE!!! :D

EdipisReks
08-13-2012, 12:10 PM
Kitayama and Mizuyama?

don't soak the kitayama or other magnesia based stones.

JBroida
08-13-2012, 01:44 PM
Jon, one has to be really stupid to question your wisdom regarding knives. Here goes!!! Won't any bleach negatively affect carbon blades vis-a-vis' rustING?

Hax the Cook CLEAVERS RULE!!! :D

its such a small amount and i dont recommend using the soaking water with chlorine as sharpening water... just for storing the stones. It sucks when you splash yourself and get light colored spots on your clothing

shankster
08-13-2012, 02:01 PM
I'd love to have Jon change water at least once a day.... We wash our face at least twice a day, brush our teeth three times a day... why not stones?

Ha!! As long as he changes his underware daily,you're ok.... :D

Sara@JKI
08-13-2012, 04:41 PM
Ha!! As long as he changes his underware daily,you're ok.... :D

yes, i don't need "kusai" (stinky) in my apartment...

Cutty Sharp
08-13-2012, 05:55 PM
If you are the boss, you shouldn't put up with it.

Zwiefel
08-13-2012, 06:04 PM
If you are the boss, you shouldn't put up with it.

Seems like that topic was covered a couple of days ago.... :)

Citizen Snips
08-14-2012, 09:08 AM
my two non soakers are kitayama and arishiyama

Dusty
08-14-2012, 09:14 AM
I soak pretty much every stone I own, including Naniwa superstones, permanently. The SS's seem to benefit from being permasoaked, the 1000 especially used to glaze up every time i let it near something stainless, but now it builds mud faster and the glazing problem is fixed. I change the water as often as I remember - about twice a week.

Tatsuya
09-01-2012, 04:07 AM
Can anyone confirm permasoak status on the Suehiro Rika 5000? I perm the Beston/Bester stones but I've never soaked the Suehiro indefinitely.

JBroida
09-01-2012, 04:08 AM
i had mine soaked for years... just be careful with the wooden bases on the older ones... the new plastic ones soak a bit easier, but can retain water and get more mud inside... just be clean about it

Tatsuya
09-01-2012, 04:32 AM
Ok thanks, Jon. I do notice that it seems like you can spend an hour shaking water out of the base if you wanted to, ha.

JBroida
09-01-2012, 04:44 AM
np