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Messy Jesse
08-14-2012, 10:32 AM
I work the fish section and have done so for the better part of the last 2 years. I've been using a Masamoto KK 180mm Deba the whole time, and use it for a good part of my day. Although I can get it screaming sharp, lately I've been feeling the edge dying on me sooner than I'd like.

I was just hoping to hear from some of you guys that use a deba heavily every day. What do you like to use? I've been strongly considering getting a Blue 2 Deba, or trying a different maker...

Cheers.

Bill Burke
08-14-2012, 10:43 AM
try one made from 52100. look up Bruce Barnett in Perth or Keith Fludder there in or near Sydney. Bruce has been to My shop on several occasions to learn the intricacies of 52100 and my method of heat treating so he would be my first choice.

Messy Jesse
08-14-2012, 10:59 AM
I hate to be so narrow minded, but I would probably only ever consider traditional makers and traditional carbon steels...

schanop
08-14-2012, 02:01 PM
Can't comment on edge retention since I'm just a home cook. But Frank (Iron Chef Knives) still has Suisin white #2 180mm deba for 289 to your door. You can get Hide deba in white #2 for about 250 or blue #1 for about 450. Jon is vouching, of course, for both brands, should be worth considering.

Messy Jesse
08-14-2012, 07:29 PM
Jon doesn't ship to Australia... :(

schanop
08-14-2012, 07:42 PM
Too much trouble with postage eh, Jon?

schanop
08-14-2012, 07:44 PM
Or treat yourself and get a Shig deba from Maxim. 180mm one (170mm cutting edge) is still available.

EdipisReks
08-14-2012, 07:53 PM
Too much trouble with postage eh, Jon?

i think the problem is the wombats stealing the boxes.

schanop
08-14-2012, 07:58 PM
Wombat? Too slow I think. Probably either Tassie Devil, or the Giant roo.

Messy Jesse
08-14-2012, 08:00 PM
I emailed Maxim, we'll see if he gets back to me.

How do you like your Shig deba, schanop?

EdipisReks
08-14-2012, 08:06 PM
Wombat? Too slow I think. Probably either Tassie Devil, or the Giant roo.

the wombats dig through the shipping containers, you see.

JasonD
08-14-2012, 08:09 PM
Maybe check out JCK? Mizuno has a pretty good reputation for their Blue Steel HT. Or you could order one from Watanabe. Or A-frames might be able to get you one from Aritsugu.

Have you considered bringing in a touch-up stone to work? Seems like you could just keep on cruising after a couple minutes on a ~5k stone.

schanop
08-14-2012, 08:15 PM
Just got it last week including Maxim's hand made saya. Fit & Finish is as usual, excellent. It feels lighter and nimbler than typical 180mm deba. Since I cook for only a handful of people, this is a great size for me to handle fish not bigger than 3kg most of the time.

Had only tried it OOTB with minor touch up on rainbow trout and large sand whiting. Feels great so far.

schanop
08-14-2012, 08:18 PM
the wombats dig through the shipping containers, you see.

Ah, that pirate wombat. Lucky we didn't go ahead with the trade :-)

EdipisReks
08-14-2012, 08:19 PM
Ah, that pirate wombat. Lucky we didn't go ahead with the trade :-)

:)

schanop
08-14-2012, 08:45 PM
Here's an interesesting quite from Dr.Naka (http://hides-export.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/q-with-iizuka-san.html) about Shigefusa deba:


The steel of Shigefusa knives are hard that you can scratch soda lime glass (I think it is 63 to 64 HRC) .
I asked whether such hardness is needed for thick knife like Deba and what he thinks of chipping.

The answer was:
" Many professionals who cut fish like the sharpness and durability of my Deba. It may chip against hard fish bones but you can still cut after that. If the Deba get dull you cannot cut a fish anymore. These professionals want to finish a shift with only 1 knife."

I think same reasoning is applicable to Hide Blue #1 deba too.

Chefdog
08-14-2012, 09:07 PM
I'm not sure if you'd be interested, but I have a Suisin carbon yo-deba that I've been using for almost 10 years. I'm sure it's quite a bit softer than a traditional deba (as well as requiring very slightly different technique), but the advantage is that I can quickly bring the edge back on a ceramic rod and finish my fabricating w/o trouble. It's no beauty queen, but I don't mind since its inexpensive and virtually indestructible.

JBroida
08-14-2012, 09:31 PM
Jon doesn't ship to Australia... :(



Too much trouble with postage eh, Jon?

had trouble with international shipping... lots of problems with Australia. Working on starting back up again soon. We also now can recommend some freight forwarders which we have experience with (and are currently open to this option).

edredlee
08-15-2012, 12:19 AM
I have a 180mm blue #2 deba from watanabe that I've been using for about 5 years. Amazing knife. I'm not sure on his prices now though. I only wish I had bought a 210mm. I'd love to try the Hide deba someday though.

Sarge
08-15-2012, 12:56 AM
Don't know if you currently micro-bevel your deba (frontside only) but that may be worth a go for increased edged retention with out decrease in funds.

Messy Jesse
08-15-2012, 10:28 AM
I sharpen it with a very solid hamaguri, a part of me just wants a new deba though...

bieniek
08-15-2012, 02:56 PM
In that case, just get something new.

I dont think its blades fault.