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    I think because it is made by Henckles who, love them or hate them, make a quality high-end product AND the specs are what Kramer chose (copies of his others - reputed great performers). Add to that they are made of 52100, if I'm not mistaken, they are show stoppers and suddenly it seems like a decent price.
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    It really depends. The biggest difference other than weight between my Shun Kramer and a real one is the geometry. A real Kramer is much thinner near the tip. If Zwilling decides to keep it thin like their Miyabis, then it should be a good performer.
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    If they're that good, and affordable, and readily available, doesn't it devalue the mystique of custom Kramer to anyone but a collector?

    I mean, first it was the Shun 'damascus', now the Zwillig carbon, what's next? 440c K-mart collection? $15.00 Chinese knock offs you can get from the guy on the corner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecchef View Post
    If they're that good, and affordable, and readily available, doesn't it devalue the mystique of custom Kramer to anyone but a collector?

    I mean, first it was the Shun 'damascus', now the Zwillig carbon, what's next? 440c K-mart collection? $15.00 Chinese knock offs you can get from the guy on the corner?
    Not really because Kramer makes all his money on damascus knives. No one is going to wait 3 years to get a carbon knife especially at the old price. Kramer can only make 200 knives a year. I think he would rather make 200 knives at 4K versus 1.5K.
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    "Real" Kramers only have a mystique to knuts and collectors as it is. To anyone else, they're absurdly priced knives that look flashy. The performance is there (basically everyone agrees), but it's not the performance that justifies the price. It's having a knife hand-made by one of the greatest.
    We have incredible makers on this forum whose knives are spectacular, but to anyone who doesn't understand the difference between a custom and a factory knife, it makes no difference. My favorite knife I own is a 'factory knife', but I'm waiting on a custom by Pierre and I GUARANTEE it will become my new favorite (no pressure Pierre)!
    The Henckles Kramers will be a very good knife, I'm sure (and worth the money...hopefully), but are not and I don't think they're pretending to be a 'real' Kramer. They are trying to be as close as you can get without the man himself making it to our specs.
    Also, i think most would agree that the Henckles version should be a step up from the Shun Kramer, so I don't get the K-Mart comment.
    I'm not trying to be argumentative AT ALL, I'm just trying to explain my thoughts
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecchef View Post
    If they're that good, and affordable, and readily available, doesn't it devalue the mystique of custom Kramer to anyone but a collector?

    I mean, first it was the Shun 'damascus', now the Zwillig carbon, what's next? 440c K-mart collection? $15.00 Chinese knock offs you can get from the guy on the corner?

    Maybe there will be a Richmond Kramer Addict version one day? :biggrin2:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Martell View Post
    Maybe there will be a Richmond Kramer Addict version one day? :biggrin2:
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    reason why it was best that you own your own board.

    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockbox View Post
    \No one is going to wait 3 years to get a carbon knife especially at the old price. Kramer can only make 200 knives a year. I think he would rather make 200 knives at 4K versus 1.5K.
    I waited more than three years for my straight 52100 Kramer. The damascus was too rich for me, even at the old price. I have wondered why the knife connoisseurs here have no interest in Kramer's plain knives since they are higher-performing knives than his damascus.
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    I jumped on the SLT web site Monday morning, and signed up for his June knife class in VA. I'm hoping it is not a sales pitch.

    If one of you guys with a real Kramer wants to ship it to me for a few days, it would be fun to bring it to class and tell him I just bought it on eBay
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