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    Quote Originally Posted by mhlee View Post
    You don't disagree you say?
    For the love of God stop being so confrontational. I do not disagree with "what you are doing" but you were the one who is saying that what I suggested is wrong, and I do not agree .This is "not the same" as disagreeing with "what you are doing".

    Is it really so wrong headed of me to suggest that it is possibly a good idea to have a short piece that will cover what 75% of the responses are going to be anyway?

    Let's see what you come up with as an initial draft for the revised "questionnaire" and I will "comment" then. I am sure that everyone will "enjoy" that.

    "Thanks"

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhlee View Post
    If you feel like this is important, then do it. Please create something that "novices . . . could read to make the whole questionnaire process more fluid" and submit it to the moderators for approval.

    Thanks.
    So you create a post asking for suggestions for questions to be added to the questionnaire, then when someone suggests some you tell them to make their own post and create their own questionnaire?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenStefano View Post
    So you create a post asking for suggestions for questions to be added to the questionnaire, then when someone suggests some you tell them to make their own post and create their own questionnaire?
    Steven:

    This is what Robert previously proposed.

    "It might even be good to have a link that says "if you are a novice, then you should read this first" that links to a basic guide detailing costs and what you can get in each price band, differences in steels and maintenace, and the need for stones with suggestion of very basic entry set-ups etc."

    Those are not questions. So, I invited Robert to make a thread that includes all of this.

    What I've explained in my previous posts is that (1) this was not part of the original questionnaire, (2) by identifying "what you can get in each price band" necessarily includes/excludes certain knives, (3) there are no universal characteristics/differences in steel apart from chemical make up, among other things. I'm also not going to create anything that just proposes or recommends knives or other products. We have vendors here, and I'm extremely sensitive to the fact that by including a thread that essentially recommends certain products may upset any number of the vendors here. That's why I refuse to include it in the questionnaire and I've invited Robert to create this link or write up a number of times, which he, apparently, is unwilling to do.

    Frankly, I've included a number of the proposed questions identified here, including some of Robert's comments, and reworded a number of the questions so that they're simpler (as Customfan noted) and less open to ridicule (as Kalaeb noted). I've even revised a number of questions so the answers are essentially in the questions and all the member needs to do is identify those answers in the question or answer "yes" or "no" or that they're somewhat leading so that if an answer is chosen, other members can direct that member to a more appropriate knife.

    But, I'm not going to write this guide if it includes any type of recommendation whatsoever. That's why I'm leaving it up to him.
    Michael
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdpx View Post
    For the love of God stop being so confrontational. I do not disagree with "what you are doing" but you were the one who is saying that what I suggested is wrong, and I do not agree .This is "not the same" as disagreeing with "what you are doing".

    Is it really so wrong headed of me to suggest that it is possibly a good idea to have a short piece that will cover what 75% of the responses are going to be anyway?

    Let's see what you come up with as an initial draft for the revised "questionnaire" and I will "comment" then. I am sure that everyone will "enjoy" that.

    "Thanks"

    Robert
    Confrontational? I've explained repeatedly why I won't create this "short piece" and invited you to do it. But, you continue to disagree with my refusal to include it or do it. Get off your butt and make this "short piece".

    And, why don't you just wait until I'm done and you can criticize me as much as you want, then? Okay?
    Michael
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    Quote Originally Posted by mhlee View Post
    Why don't you just wait until I'm done and you can criticize me as much as you want, then? Okay?

    Get off your butt and make this "short piece".
    1. This is not about criticism, it is about a group effort to come up with a decent revised questionnaire. As Steven has pointed out, you started this thread asking for input. Don't throw your toys out of the pram just because I will not submit to your bullying dismissal of my input. From reading your reply to Steven it seems that you have also totally misinterpreted what I suggested. Also at no point have I said I am unwilling to do it, though you must be aware that I am probably not qualified to do it. Also your "invitations" to me have seemed patronising and sarcastic at best.

    2. Do not tell me to "get off my butt". This is rude and offensive and you should not be talking to people like that, at your age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdpx View Post
    1. This is not about criticism, it is about a group effort to come up with a decent revised questionnaire. As Steven has pointed out, you started this thread asking for input. Don't throw your toys out of the pram just because I will not submit to your bullying dismissal of my input.

    2. Do not tell me to "get off my butt". This is rude and offensive and you should not be talking to people like that, at your age.
    The "short piece" is not a questionnaire. I'm sorry that you don't understand what a questionnaire is.

    Rude and offensive? Hilarious. This is coming from someone who accused me of acting in a manner that suggests that I "have no interest in getting along with people."
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    I wonder whether Michael's text was inspired by higher powers, as it seems to be unamendable.
    Perhaps it's a better solution to take Eamon's original text as a point of departure. It might be useful to reread in the archive the discussions there were before it got its actual form. To give an example: the handle oiling question was meant, if I remember well and in my own words, to establish the degree of knife nutness.
    I agree that the text can use some adjustments, and one, essential addition (are you left handed?).
    I don't like a discussion where the search for a consensual, common text got lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhlee View Post
    The "short piece" is not a questionnaire. I'm sorry that you don't understand what a questionnaire is.

    Rude and offensive? Hilarious. This is coming from someone who accused me of acting in a manner that suggests that I "have no interest in getting along with people."
    Read back over your responses. You did not ask me to write a short piece, you told me to write my own version of what I thought the questionnaire should be. Only in the last post or two have you moved your goalposts and said you want me to write a "short piece" that could be linked to - e.g:

    Quote Originally Posted by mhlee View Post
    Put your suggestions into a formal proposed questionnaire since you don't agree with what I'm doing.

    And yes, I found that rude and offensive, and seeing as how it was addressed to me, it should concern you that this is how your words are interpreted if that is not how you wished to be read. Of course if you think it is hilarious, then that would again suggest to me that you have no interest in getting along with people. A simple apology might have been appropriate there, for example.

    You are being obtuse.

    Robert

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    I like you both, this is perhaps getting off topic, perhaps a continuation in PM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benuser View Post
    I don't like a discussion where the search for a consensual, common text got lost.
    Quote Originally Posted by kalaeb View Post
    I like you both, this is perhaps getting off topic...
    Amen.

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