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    If just 2 stones, 1k and 3k.

    Why you'd get rid of the 400 you already have and not hang onto it for thinning in the future puzzles me though.
    600 and 800 are too coarse for touch ups IMO

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    How about the JNS 1k and 2k Green Brick? They are pretty much opposite stones, with the JNS being hard, fast and with a scratchy but consistent finish. The Green Brick is buttery, muddy and fine finishing (4-5k +).
    IMO the JNS is fast enough for thinning on its own, but I use it to follow the Beston 500.

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    Thanks, i appreciate the input and opinions guys.


    I have a JNS 1K, and it is quite a fast cutting stone and I like the hardness and ability to grab it and go when needed. Maybe it's a little more coarse than the average 1K? Can anyone compare it to, say, a chosera 600 or 800? Do all the choseras seem to act like slightly finer stones than their ratings would suggest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benuser View Post
    Awesome!


    Now, Anybody know what the abrasive size is in the JNS 1K??? Maksim???

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    I have bestone, chosera and JNS 1k I think JNS 1k is same fines as Chosera 1k and both is bit finer then king 1k and bestone 1k

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxim View Post
    I have bestone, chosera and JNS 1k I think JNS 1k is same fines as Chosera 1k and both is bit finer then king 1k and bestone 1k
    Thanks maxim! Your JNS 1K cuts so fast, I always assumed it was more coarse than other 1K stones.

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    I know I am a little late to the party. But, if you have the JNS 1k I have found it to be as fast as the Chosera 800. Interestingly, I also discovered that the JNS 1k will cut "almost" as fast as a Chosera 600 when you use a diamond plate to raise a thicker slurry before you start sharpening or thinning. Using this method, I can usually perform minor repair and thinning with little hassle using the JNS 1k (Maybe 10 minutes on the JNS 1k vs 7 or so on the chosera 600). With that being said, I am not sure the JNS 1k or any 1k would be suitable to continued heavy repair work, a 400 grit stone may be appropriate.

    But, for a normal sharpening progression, assuming the knife is very dull. I usually hit the JNS 1k/Gesshin 2k followed by a suita and I am finished in 6-7 minutes....and I am slow.

    For a totally synthetic stone progression, if the knife is in need of major repair, or if I am just in a hurry, I use the Gesshin 400 followed by the Gesshin 2k. Strop on 1uM diamond and I get what I consider a scary sharp edge. Total time about 4 minutes or variable up to 10 minutes (assuming repair work).

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    First starting out I had a 6 stone progression (120, 320, 1000, 2000, 4000, 10,000), but then I realized it wasn't for me. Not only was I sharpening less because hauling out all those stones, soaking them, flattening them, drying them and then storing then again was simply burdensome and 100% unnecessary. It was not making my edges sharper and after watching MC's videos as well as cutting with one of his OOTB edges I was converted to the belief that it really is 99% technique.

    So I sold all my stones and went to a simple 2 stone progression (1k, 4k) with a DMT plate for flattening and heavy duty repair, but TBH I only broke it out once on an old stainless German knife that was badly abused. Even for small chips I found the 1k stone to be more than sufficient.

    After going back to basics I practiced, practiced and practiced some more. I was starting to achieve extremely sharp edges--

    Regarding higher grit stones, I began to realize how little difference there was between a 4k and 8k stone in terms of final edge polish.

    Another thing, once you become really proficient your preferences will become more clear to you. Don't let other people's opinions or experiences sway your judgment. We are all different and what works for me might not work for you. However, I do believe that a person who masters a two stone setup will achieve just as sharp of an edge as someone who masters a 4-10 stone setup plus multiple strops--at least in practical terms.

    Since then I have sold my two Shapton GS (1k/4K) and have went to an 8x3" natural stone (super thick too) of European origin (not coticule or BB). It is a very special stone that is not at all know of these forums and extremely rare. I found a gentleman who runs a very small operation out of his village (no advertising or website). The stone cuts as fast is my Arishiyama 1K (which I keep around because it is such an EXCELLENT synthetic stone) but it leaves an almost bead blasted finish, which for food processing is as far as I take it. It has all the good qualities of a natural with none of the bad, especially in this range (cuts as fast as a synthetic 1k, but finish is closer to a 4k). Dishes very slow and a quick splash of water and its ready to go.

    So now I am using only one stone for my knives. I have a DMT XXC for flattening. I also have a loaded strop, which i am experimenting with--I'm undecided about it still.

    Sorry for the rambling. it's my first post in a while.

    Edit*** I should also add that my current knife sharpening practice, although with only one stone, is not a deliberate attempt, experiment or some minimalist OCD compulsion I have. If I felt (or feel in the future) that adding another stone or strop in my progression yields better results I would/will add it. However, right now my one stone is working perfectly and makes sharpening a painless and enjoyable process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwrightthruya View Post
    I know I am a little late to the party. But, if you have the JNS 1k I have found it to be as fast as the Chosera 800. Interestingly, I also discovered that the JNS 1k will cut "almost" as fast as a Chosera 600 when you use a diamond plate to raise a thicker slurry before you start sharpening or thinning. Using this method, I can usually perform minor repair and thinning with little hassle using the JNS 1k (Maybe 10 minutes on the JNS 1k vs 7 or so on the chosera 600).

    But, for a normal sharpening progression, assuming the knife is very dull. I usually hit the JNS 1k/Gesshin 2k followed by a suita and I am finished in 6-7 minutes....and I am slow.

    ... I use the Gesshin 400 followed by the Gesshin 2k. Strop on 1uM diamond and I get what I consider a scary sharp edge.

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    Thanks Chris, this is very helpful to put some things into perspective regarding relative speed and cutting power.

    You're not the only one ive heard speak highly of the 400-2K-strop sequence with the gesshins. I do like an aggressive edge, and I'm sure this provides just that. I can only assume similar results with chosera stones in place of the gesshins without having to soak.

    2-3K seems like a great place for normal maintanence and a 400-600 to drop down and quickly cut in a fresh edge when needed, as well as take care of thinning and repairs.

    Thanks again guys. I love it when a plan comes together!

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