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    Options for sharpening systems & honing rods

    I would like to have a setup where I can sharpen any blade & types of metal they come in.I seen the wicked edge system.It looks nice but pricey($700 for pro pack 2).I like that setup because I don't have steady hands.I'm interested in the shapton stones.Where can I find guides in different degree angles?I will not be able to keep a angle without them.What grits should I get?I think anymore than 3 is overboard.I was thinking a 320(for dull/knicked), 3,000(touchup & polish) & 16,000(mirror polish).$252 + $102 for stone holder,$354.3 x 11 kangaroo strop $50 & Chromium Oxide Paste .5 Micron $20,$424.30 total.Probably would be around $454 with sharpening guides.I'd like some that are rubber in the grip or plastic,not bare metal.Would this be a decent setup to start with?

    I'm kinda up in the air with honing rods.I can hold a angle good with these.I'm thinking a MAC Black Ceramic Honing Rod 10.5" $55 & a Global Replacement Diamond Rod $119,$174.I could stick the global on a board & sharpen instead of paying a extra $66 for a handle.Won't be buying this all at once.I'm just looking at options for now.

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    Why can't you hold an angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdm_magic View Post
    Why can't you hold an angle?
    I tried on a stone a few times.My wrist & fingers seem to twitch a bit.My right wrist & forearm was broken pretty bad a few years ago.Ever since,I can't hold a scope rifle steady if my life depended on it lol

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    What knives are you sharpening? Frankly, few kitchen knives will benefit from being taken all the way to 16000 grit, and 3000 to 16000 is a big jump. Shaptons are fast, but if you want to polish out 3000 grit scratches with a 16000 grit stone, you'll be there a long time.

    I would consider two lower grit stones as your finishing and middle stones. Perhaps something in the 800-2000 grit range, followed by something in the 3000-8000 range depending on the knives and stones.

    I like the shaptons I've used for splash and go stones, but they are hard stones and as they don't provide as much feedback as others are not the easiest to learn on. I think Dave stocks a sharpening guide at japaneseknifesharpening.com but I haven't used it, Dave wouldn't stock it if it was rubbish though.

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    I think that if you can hold an angle with a hone that you might be able to do just as well with a stone. I don't know exactly what you are experiencing physically, but maybe you could try the waterstone again and this time try it with a very small amount of pressure/force. 2 nice stones would really be all that you would need, maybe 1k and 3-5k. What kind of knives do you use?

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    You just need a little practice on a stone to develop some muscle memory.
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    I did a quick web search and came across this "Ehow"

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    How to Find a Gizmo Sharpener
    By Irene A. Blake, eHow Contributor


    The Gizmo Knife Sharpener is the invention of professional knife sharpener Ken Schwartz. It is designed to provide users with three primary sharpening methods by adjusting to fit the type of knife and create the type of edges you desire. Although it's unlikely that you'll find the Gizmo in your local brick n' mortar cutlery or kitchenware store, Schwartz has partnered with an online retailer to sell the Gizmo. There are several ways of contacting Schwartz to acquire this tool or request information. Does this Spark an idea?
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    I just have a kitchenaid 5" santoku right now.But I will be getting more knives of course lol.I plan on buying these,
    Kanetsune Gyutou 300mm, 2mm Thick 2N Japanese Chef Knife for $90
    http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-428570.html
    Tojiro DP Gyuto 270mm $130
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/todpchkn27.html
    Fujiwara FKM Stainless Gyuto 270mm
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/fufkmgy27.html
    Artifex Extra Tall 240mm Gyuto AEB-L (also called 13C26) $90
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/arexta24gy.html
    Tojiro Shirogami ITK 150mm Petty
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/toshitk15pe.html
    Tojiro DP Paring Knife 90mm
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/todppakn90.html
    CCK Small Cleaver
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/cckcleaver2.html
    Mercer Japanese-Style 7" Usuba (Vegetable) Knife
    http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-156294.html
    Some others probably.Won't be getting 4 gyuto knifes lol,those are just ones that caught my interest.I received a couple PMs offering a edge pro kit,thanks but I will pass.I seen a couple clones i'm interested in,i'm guessing the first link is the better design.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Update-Profe...item41731ddf18
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Knife-Sh...item5d382e2dcb
    1st link is professional clone & 2nd is apex clone.I think I may buy one of these & just upgrade from the crappy stones it comes with.

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    Sure is a long list and too many from the vendor that provides **** products. I would suggest one nice knife from a reputable vendor here and learn how to maintain it properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edge25 View Post
    I just have a kitchenaid 5" santoku right now.But I will be getting more knives of course lol.I plan on buying these,
    Kanetsune Gyutou 300mm, 2mm Thick 2N Japanese Chef Knife for $90
    http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-428570.html
    Tojiro DP Gyuto 270mm $130
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/todpchkn27.html
    Fujiwara FKM Stainless Gyuto 270mm
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/fufkmgy27.html
    Artifex Extra Tall 240mm Gyuto AEB-L (also called 13C26) $90
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/arexta24gy.html
    Tojiro Shirogami ITK 150mm Petty
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/toshitk15pe.html
    Tojiro DP Paring Knife 90mm
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/todppakn90.html
    CCK Small Cleaver
    http://www.This Site Not Allowed Here.com.com/cckcleaver2.html
    Mercer Japanese-Style 7" Usuba (Vegetable) Knife
    http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-156294.html
    Some others probably.Won't be getting 4 gyuto knifes lol,those are just ones that caught my interest.I received a couple PMs offering a edge pro kit,thanks but I will pass.I seen a couple clones i'm interested in,i'm guessing the first link is the better design.
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Update-Profe...item41731ddf18
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Knife-Sh...item5d382e2dcb
    1st link is professional clone & 2nd is apex clone.I think I may buy one of these & just upgrade from the crappy stones it comes with.
    You don't need anywhere near that many knives if you are just starting out. Reason being is that there is a lot of redundancy and also if you focus your funds, you can get a much better knife that will suit you just fine. Also, save your money on the jigs as they can not easily maintain your asymmetrical knives. You can do a lot more with a single waterstone and some practice.
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