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    Shigefusa help

    Hey all,
    I'm in the process of working out the details to order a shig western in the Kasumi finish. I would have this baby rehandled with something special. Anyway, I'm not a knife expert and my current showcase is the devin thomas western itk gyuto in black lacewood-Excellent knife!! I have never used a carbon before, and would be willing to wipe off immediately after and in between use. I guess i'm just wondering if this is a good knife for me. It's nice not having to worry about stainless as much, but am worried that the trade off to carbon might not be worth it-especially coming from a DT AEB-L. Also, It's not cheap, after rehandling it's prob going to run around $800. Is the performance diff worht the switch to carbon. Do shigs live up to the hype or should I just get a custom from one of these great knife makers. Thanks, and any help is appreciated.

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    The shig is awsome

    Read this: http://***********************/2011/01...shoot-out.html
    and this: http://***********************/2011/01...40-kasumi.html

    I also love this article of Shigefusa: http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/29/news/cl-43936

    Who the hell is doing the rehandle job?
    I would have bought one of marko if you would have wa

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    Oh, thanks for the articles, I've read one of them before, but the latimes one will be a good read. I've asked dave about a rehandle, i've also spoken to marko to see if he would be interested in trying a western, I know adam has had some good results as well. For some reason I've always prefered western's to wa's (unfortunately for my wallet). Thanks oivind!

    Quote Originally Posted by oivind_dahle View Post
    The shig is awsome

    Read this: http://***********************/2011/01...shoot-out.html
    and this: http://***********************/2011/01...40-kasumi.html

    I also love this article of Shigefusa: http://articles.latimes.com/2001/mar/29/news/cl-43936

    Who the hell is doing the rehandle job?
    I would have bought one of marko if you would have wa

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    You need both ho and wa!
    Trust me, they are both awesome, and you use it after your own mood

    Here is mine Shig:



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    Quote Originally Posted by JPizzzle View Post
    Is the performance diff worht the switch to carbon.....Do shigs live up to the hype
    No for the performance, yes for the hype.

    Whether they're worth it or not is something you need to resolve on your own.

    Will it perform better than your ITK western handle? No! It would not cut better, nor retain an edge any better than your ITK. I have a kind of unique ITK version, but assuming the blade has similar properties to the other ITK gyuto's, the two would have similar geometry once you put a proper edge on the ITK (thin the shoulder a bit) and DT's AEB-L retains an edge with the best of them.

    A Shigefusa, to me, is about having a knife completely hand crafted and still be among the best made kitchen knives on the planet. If you take into account the craftsmanship of a Shigefusa, western handled gyuto....then you start understanding the price. $800 wouldn't be a sneeze compared to the cost of a Kramer and would be in line with a true custom from many of the other makers. Carter would be in that range, DT would be for a mono-steel blade (educated guess on that one), Bill Burke would be over that, etc. You get the idea.

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    IMO Shigefusa is a better cutter than DT ITK Far better
    It also gets sharper

    The only con on shigefusa is that it is reactive, but once patina is there its no problem. I love my shig
    (yeah, I also got 2 DT ITK)

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    I have a 270 Wa ITK and thanks to Adam, a rehandled 240 western shig. They are both exceptional knives, in regards to appearance and performance. To say that one is far better than the other in terms of cutting performance i would debate, though this may highlight deficiencies in my sharpening or technique.
    The shig is exceptionally well made and finished, and i feel really privileged to own and use it. I rotate it with a few other gyutos, i have more than i need but not as many as i want , and it is such a pleasure to use. Although it is thicker than a lot of my knives it falls through everything effortlessly, keeps an edge for a respectable amount of time and now that i have forced a patina is relatively unreactive. The one thing i notice with mine is the cladding is soft, really soft, and it doesn't take much to put a few scratches in, which due to the direction of the finish, heel to tip, stand out. However the patina does a lot to conceal these.
    The choice between a shig and a custom is difficult, and not a choice i would like to make.....
    I'll try and post some pictures, but my photograpy is poor at best, so they will in no way capture the awesomeness

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    Quote Originally Posted by oivind_dahle View Post
    IMO Shigefusa is a better cutter than DT ITK Far better
    It also gets sharper
    Frankly, the only part here there that I can really agree with is that the Shig might cut a bit better but not much better. This is really highly dependent on the edge you put on either of them.

    Quote Originally Posted by oivind_dahle View Post
    The only con on shigefusa is that it is reactive, but once patina is there its no problem. I love my shig
    (yeah, I also got 2 DT ITK)
    This is a pretty big con, imo. I've tried the DarkHoek patina formula and mine still reacts. Perhaps, I'm just not skilled in the art of patination. If you get a Shig, get it because that's what it is, not because it will blow any other sub-$1k knife out of the water, because it doesn't.

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    ahhhh, what a tough spot.....ok. first, oivind, you shig is beautiful, wow.....I'm tempted to switch to a wa, hah. I'm pulled in many different ways at the moment about this.

    Pros: Beautiful, handmade Japanese craftsmanship, great performance, "shigefusa" lore
    Cons: First the headache of "reactivity," and I don't particularly like the patina look

    ah, what a great dilemma to have I guess....If I don't grab a shig maybe i'll think of custom, thanks for the feedback so far guys!
    JP

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    well, now that i think about it maybe a patina isn't that bad, lol
    JP

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