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    Send ashi hamono a shig and ask him to copy it in Swedish stainless

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    Quote Originally Posted by panda View Post
    Send ashi hamono a shig and ask him to copy it in Swedish stainless
    do you guys realize this kind of thinking is really a problem for a lot of Japanese craftsmen? Not only does it reflect poorly on the person who asked, but also puts the craftsmen in a very bad position. This kind of problem seems to come up quite often in conversation here, specifically relating to foreigners way of thinking/ordering.

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    does he not do highly custom orders? not like asking to change heat treat or steels. i dont think it would be a problem for him to adjust grind and profile. it's business he would not have gotten otherwise, he can simply say no if he wasnt up for it. i have no interest in making such an order (rather just get a stainless gesshin hide in OPs situation) but i dont see how it's a problem to simply ask.

    just to be clear i think custom orders are annoying and frivulous unless the craftsman specifically caters to custom work. i was under the impression hamono was such a person. there are people to do tweaking afterwords, such as yourself or dave.

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    not necessarily... sometimes, but thats not primarily what they do. In fact, custom orders are a very small part of what they do. Anyways, the point wasnt about one company in particular, but rather this method of thinking.

    For example, not everyone thinks about it in the terms of it being business they would not have gotten otherwise, and saying no can sometimes be harder than you think. Craftsmen are generally very proud of what they do, and being asked to copy someone else's work can be very hurtful to them. In Japan, however, people are more likely to be non-confrontational as a cultural norm than we are here.

    Just as another example, imagine i really love ferarri's design aesthetic and style, but would prefer to have a lamborghini. Both companies think what they do is better than the other, and take great pride in their cars. If i asked lamborghini to make me a ferarri, dont you think they would be deeply bothered by this?

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    It was my understanding that part of what helps with the Shig grind is the very soft cladding. The cladding allows them to rough-shape the knife prior to heat treat using a draw tool like a sen.

    When I looked very closely at my old 270 kitaeji gyuto I noticed that it was not just a combination of flat and convex, but that there as actually a concave section just below the spine which seemed to help make the transition from thick spin to thin blade in a smaller space.
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    something else to consider is that the possible heat treatments with clad knives versus zen-ko (Solid steel) knives are very different. In fact, i was just having this conversation today with a craftsmen here.

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    i look at it as a compliment because they think you can do what someone else does even better. isnt that what japanese is known for? making good stuff even better? perfecting, not innovating

    maybe im crazy, but when i look at the grind on my shig, i looks backwards, like it was made for a lefty, yet cuts perfectly straight. it sure is a head scratcher.

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    Very big

    Thats why we see so many secrecy now from many blacksmith in Japan. It is actually because of overseas sell.
    They share a lot with etch other, but they also have respect for each other and dont copy or clone things.

    That respect is not there with overseas costumers or makers

    And BTW when i asked Yoshikane to make me Mono Steel Knives they was cheaper then San Mai, so that san mai is cheaper is just not true



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    not necessarily... sometimes, but thats not primarily what they do. In fact, custom orders are a very small part of what they do. Anyways, the point wasnt about one company in particular, but rather this method of thinking.

    For example, not everyone thinks about it in the terms of it being business they would not have gotten otherwise, and saying no can sometimes be harder than you think. Craftsmen are generally very proud of what they do, and being asked to copy someone else's work can be very hurtful to them. In Japan, however, people are more likely to be non-confrontational as a cultural norm than we are here.

    Just as another example, imagine i really love ferarri's design aesthetic and style, but would prefer to have a lamborghini. Both companies think what they do is better than the other, and take great pride in their cars. If i asked lamborghini to make me a ferarri, dont you think they would be deeply bothered by this?

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    re: secrecy, i always wondered why maker of jon's 'kochi' is not revealed. i will get a chance to use one very soon, pretty excited.

    for example, if a guest asked me to recreate someone elses dish, i would not get offended but take the challenge if i had the time. at first i would ask why they dont go the place that makes it in the first place, and then promptly bust out my ego and think i can do it better. sure i would prefer they eat one of my creations, but theyre still getting the food from me and not the competition so it's still a win if you ask me.

    but i can definitely see how pride can get in the way of this grey line, especially japanese culture.

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