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Baby Huey

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I have reviewed some of the older posts on sharpeners and do plan on getting an Edge Pro Apex set to start my learning on the sharpening of knives. I know that electric knife sharpeners are shunned by probably most users here, but I travel a lot with work sometimes for months at a time and need to have something user friendly for the wife as she would not take the time to learn how to set up a jig or to learn how to freehand.

That being said are there any decent electric sharpeners out there that put a good edge on knives? She uses a Wusthof Classic Block Set, but I am shopping for Japanese blades and am sure she will fall in love with those once the fear of them wears off. So maybe even one with the 15 degree bevel as well?

I am new here and just getting into studying up on the Japanese variety of knives so all recommendations would be appreciated. We both work full time jobs, she goes to school full time working on her Bachelor's, and we run a small home business so time constraints are limited and ease of maintenance would be a plus.

Thank you for your time and thoughts on this.
 
The issue with electric sharpeners is the amount of material they eat. Any knifes lifespan will be greatly reduced if taken to an electric sharpener frequently.

Best recommendation would be a ceramic rod.
 
ChefsChoice in one of the higher end models. They work great and do not remove all that much metal if you stay off the first stage until its really needed. For the average person, the edge they produce is light years ahead of what they been using.
 
I appreciate the info and will look into it. I may get it and duct tape the course slot so that task for when I am at home with a stone on the Edge Pro.
 
Electric sharpeners can also jack up your profile pretty quick, if you're not very consistent with your stroke or if you're too tentative. Some of them can also overheat your edge.
 
I did not even think about it heating the blade up. I appreciate that and will have to think more on the electric as an option.
 
Stropping is another option. A nice hard felt strop from Marko or a nice horse hide from Dave loaded w/ 0.25 poly diamond spray will, depending on the knife, keep an excellent edge going for months.

Much cheaper than some electric pos, and it will compliment your EP or waterstone setup vs being bannished to storage when youre home.

As much as i love and learned from my EP, Id actually recommend getting the strop setup first and see if you get into the freehand thing more than you might have expected.

Stropping good carbon is easy, fun, and almost magical how well it works.
 
Stropping is another option. A nice hard felt strop from Marko or a nice horse hide from Dave loaded w/ 0.25 poly diamond spray will, depending on the knife, keep an excellent edge going for months.

Much cheaper than some electric pos, and it will compliment your EP or waterstone setup vs being bannished to storage when youre home.

As much as i love and learned from my EP, Id actually recommend getting the strop setup first and see if you get into the freehand thing more than you might have expected.

Stropping good carbon is easy, fun, and almost magical how well it works.

For that matter some newsprint over a hard surface used as a strop can help maintain a well setup edge, and actually provides a excellent smooth, yet toothy finish for after your stones. Either of the above options (felt or leather) are excellent choices, but the newsprint is free, and if you live in a neighborhood like mine...magically renews itself every morning lol :).

I agree completely on stropping carbon steel being almost magical. I remember the first time I used newsprint after my stones. 'Whoooooaaaaaa' just about sums it up lol. Oh, and for the record...I now have four felt strops lol, loaded with .5u, 1u, 3u, and 6u diamond paste.
 
You know while I have "graduated" from the chef's choice, it's occurs to me now that using the course setting on the asian chef's choice model to put the first bevil on a knife I am going to make 15 degrees with a 20 degree micro bevel may not be all that bad an idea.

The point is when I "fix" all my friends (cheap) non j-knives (i.e. all of which seem to be made with 53-56 HRC german soft steel) to a 15 degree primary and 20 degree microbevel, I do the 15 using pretty course stones to start my progression and it is time consuming even with DMT plates

But now i am thinking while I'm gonna refine the 15 degree angle with stones of course before putting the final micro bevel on with a really fine stone does the first stage of a chef's choice really remove any more metal then i am doing when I reset the primary bevel?? It sure is a lot faster...
 
All great recommendations. I planned on getting a strop in the near future. I will look into it, but do not know who Marko or Dave are. Still getting to know the community. I appreciate everyone's advice and time.
 
All great recommendations. I planned on getting a strop in the near future. I will look into it, but do not know who Marko or Dave are. Still getting to know the community. I appreciate everyone's advice and time.

Marko Tsourkan is a knifemaker who also makes/sells accessories (including a felt strop/base). Marko is a vendor here, so he has his own subforum. Here is a link to his website where the strop can be purchased: http://www.tsourkanknives.com/index.php/store/category/17-felt-strops

Dave Martell is is the founder of this forum. Dave is a professional knife sharpener, who also makes custom knives and sells stones/accessories on his website, here: http://www.japaneseknifesharpening.com/
 
If you're just like everyone else on this forum, what will most likely happen is that you'll end up buying so many J-knives she won't have a problem finding a sharp knife in the house months at a time. And then the electric sharpener will just collect dust as you collect more stones and knives.
 
Do you know if your sab's were made in France or China? Perhaps some pics?

If you've got the nice French ones, than another option could be a refurb to breath some new life into one of your old friends. Reduce the full bolster, regrind / thin behind the edge, possibly a new handle: it will be better than new. Dave Martell does such work as do many of the hobbiest makers. Don Nguyen just did perhaps the most beautiful sab refurb I've ever seen: http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/12405-Don-Nguyen-Knives/page6
Yeah that top knife used to be an old rusty hunk-o-junk.
 
Do you know if your sab's were made in France or China? Perhaps some pics?

If you've got the nice French ones, than another option could be a refurb to breath some new life into one of your old friends. Reduce the full bolster, regrind / thin behind the edge, possibly a new handle: it will be better than new. Dave Martell does such work as do many of the hobbiest makers. Don Nguyen just did perhaps the most beautiful sab refurb I've ever seen: http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/showthread.php/12405-Don-Nguyen-Knives/page6
Yeah that top knife used to be an old rusty hunk-o-junk.

When I first started reading your post, I immediately thought of Don. Such a BEAUTIFUL job! I hope to be seeing it here in a couple weeks in person :).
 
This is why Global started pushing those water-wheelie, pull-through thingamebobs. Problem solved. Heck, I still have one and it does a serviceable job on my crapsteel beaters like Kiwis and such.
 
This is why Global started pushing those water-wheelie, pull-through thingamebobs. Problem solved. Heck, I still have one and it does a serviceable job on my crapsteel beaters like Kiwis and such.

I never thought I would say it,but that might be an option.I wonder if it would work wt the Wusthof knives.If you want low maintainence go Stainless,there are some good Japan chef knives in the 85.00-150.00 range wt good blade geometry that will easy outshine the Wusthof's.

I would stay away fr. the electric grinders.Of coarse freehand skill on a whetstone will be be far better than than any pull through device.All you need is a Medium Stone to start & you can practice on the German knives.Jon Brioda's-knife sharpening playlist-are some of the best U-Tubes in english.Newspaper works for burr removal.
 
I will definitely check out the strops and watch some videos on freehand and make a decision. Time is constrained to say the least atm for learning curves.
 
What kind of spray would you recommend loading on the strop/s? Will probably get more than one to load different sprays if there are multiple kinds needed.
 
What kind of spray would you recommend loading on the strop/s? Will probably get more than one to load different sprays if there are multiple kinds needed.

It kind of depends on your stone progression really. I have a pair of 1200 and 8000 DMT plates (extra fine and extra-extra fine)...but I went ahead and picked up 6, 3, 1, and .5 micron sprays. Mostly I did this because I deal with more than one kind of knife on a regular basis. For my kitchen stuff, the newsprint is really all I need and more. Once a week or so I just lay a piece over my DMT plate (it sits in a walnut holder I made), and strop 5-10x each direction. The edge is immediately restored (unless somehow I developed a chip etc). I then test the edge by rolling the newsprint and cutting into it along the roll. It hasn't failed me yet!
 
All sprays / pastes are not created equally. I've tried many different types from many different sources and
this: http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/product-p/dudiasp1.htm
is far and away the best. .25micron polydiamond. The stuff Dave sells is different than any others I've tried: cuts faster and longer: very refined teeth, but doesn't over-polish easily.

Just start out with 1 abrasive and 1 strop and go from there. Newspring (phonebook paper works OK too) and some less mushy types of cardboard work well, but good leather or hard felt loaded with abrasive is just so much faster and less fussy. Both my girlfriend and sister use strops (just 1 each), and have been able to keep very functional edges on their knives for many months in between actual waterstone sessions.
You can get one of the ones that Marko or Dave sells that have a base with interchangeable magnetic strop materials, or you can save some money and get all crafty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9Smlj0fNnE

The whole idea is to keep it simple and not over complicate things for yourself or the Mrs.
Plus, no matter what you buy, you will end up buying more later when the addiction really starts to set in (and you have more specific requirements / wants)... so spend as little to start with as possible.
 
Would you recommend that I get an angle cube for freehand sharpening? At least to start and get the hang of the proper angles?
 
I just started to freehand and found the angle cube very handy
 
I don't think you will need it and if you do then only for the first few tries. That said, whatever works and in the video recently posted of Kramer sharpening he used a matchbook to show a decent angle...seemed to be a nice trick.

Good luck, it's easier than you think and you'll get pretty good faster than you think...just pick a method (this one works pretty well) and stick with it.

Cheers
 
I don't think you will need it and if you do then only for the first few tries. That said, whatever works and in the video recently posted of Kramer sharpening he used a matchbook to show a decent angle...seemed to be a nice trick.

Good luck, it's easier than you think and you'll get pretty good faster than you think...just pick a method (this one works pretty well) and stick with it.

Cheers

A matchbook, two quarters, turning the spine in descending halves from 90°...lots of tricks out there.
 
There's nothing wrong with using an angle cube, I have one, but unless your really changing the angle or profile of a knife, it pretty much tells you what angle it wants to be sharpened at. If the edge starts to "catch" as you're gently pushing the blade on the stone , lower your angle a bit. Go slow and easy.
 
Will give that a shot, but as an old Pipefitter/Fabricator turned Inspector I am a little OCD about details....
 
Til I get the materials to practice and get the hang of it, does anyone know any good professional sharpeners in the Houston, Tx area? I just ordered a Konosuke HD2 270mm Funayuki/Gyuto. I heard they were acceptable out of the box, but also heard they do not show their true potential til sharpening. I am excited about my first J knife.
 
Welcome to the Deep end BH. You will never look at a kitchen knife the same.
 
I appreciate it.
Looks like I need to learn to swim quickly.
 
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