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Julian Nell

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What do I need?

For my first sharpening setup, I want to get either the King #1000 or the King #1000&#6000 combo stone, but I don't know if I need anything else. So, what do I need aside from the stone?

Thanks,
Julian
 
Many people get by with that selection just fine. It depends on what you are sharpening and what your goals are.
 
After reviewing my enitial post, I don't think I was clear enough. I am asking about things like stone fixes.
 
Besides a stone you will need a flattening stone or diamond plate to keep your stone flat, a damp towel to keep your stone from moving when you are sharpening, and a container big enough to soak your stone in water ( unless it is a splash and go stone)
 
If you're on a budget, you can use the sidewalk...or drywall screen on a flat surface. The other side of the coin is a diamond plate. I myself use a cheapo Norton fixer.
 
you can lap two stones together, or another way is to get some dry/wet sandpaper, stick on a piece of MDF / glass / whatever flat surface, and lap the stone on the sandpaper.

of course, the best way is to get a diamond plate, but it would cost more than the stone you are buying.
 
Drywall screen on a flat surface is the best cheap option - better than sandpaper since the mesh keeps it from overloading with mud. And unless you have really nice sidewalks, I'd advise against that too.

I'd recommend the King combo stone, because it won't be your last, and it'll give you a chance to try a higher grit finish.
 
+1 to drywall sanding screen. I use it on a piece of 12"x12"x1/2" marble tile that I picked up a stone yard. I use large sheets - 8" x 10" or whatever they are at the hardware store. An advantage is that the surface is much much bigger than the stone so I think that's better for flattening. Some stone fixers I see are too small - not much bigger than sharpening stone, and it doesn't make sense to me that you could get an evenly flat surface. Keeping a stone flats also entails keeping it level from side to side and end to end.

I also recommend getting a stone holder. You can pick up one with two rods for around $15 if you shop around enough. Very handy to have.
 
Would someone mind posting a picture of there drywall sanding screen setup? I'm having a hard time trying to imagine it. Also, where should I buy it?
 
I don't have photos of my setup, but you can visualize. On your work surface (counter, whatever) you place your flat thing (a big tile, whatever- mine is a piece of scrap acrylic). Then, you put your drywall screen on top of that. It's like sandpaper, but more mesh-like. Then, you rub your stone on top of the screen to flatten it out. It helps to draw a series of exes or hatches with a pencil all along the surface of the stone. When you've flattened enough that the marks are faint or gone, then you're done.

You can get drywall screen at a hardware store. My local big-box store (not sure if it was Lowes or Home Depot) just had smaller pieces designed to fit into some sort of holder, so that's what I'm using, but when I use up these, I'll pick up some 8" x 10" size pieces I saw recently at a better hardware store.
 
Okay, I think I have got it. Does it matter what brand it is? or are they all pretty much the same?
 
I have Full size Diamond plates but I never use them. I actually much prefer these little diamond files that they sell is a finish sanding Snow skis. Diaface Moonflex From eBay, Very inexpensive and they last for ever
 
Okay, I think I have got it. Does it matter what brand it is? or are they all pretty much the same?
Any will do. I use Norton because it is available at my Home Depot. 3M is often recommended as well. I find the drywall screen to work very well for on budget solution. Never the less coarse diamond plate looks to be more convenient but comes at premium cost as well. I am still saving ;)
 
I have Full size Diamond plates but I never use them. I actually much prefer these little diamond files that they sell is a finish sanding Snow skis. Diaface Moonflex From eBay, Very inexpensive and they last for ever

If it is an atoma 140, would you like to off load?
 
So, I got the stone yesterday and wanted some conformation on the process.
Soak the stone for 15 minutes,
Place it where ever I will sharpen, with access to water,
Make sure the stone stays wet throughout the sharpening process,
Figure out my angles,
Keep the knife at a 45ish degree angle,
And I will sharpen in sections keeping my fingers in the middle of the stone.

Is there anything else I need to do?
 
Don't focus so much on an angle of the knife to the stone. You may need to change the angle of the knife to the stone depending on what part of the knife you're sharpening. Watch videos of Jon Broida and Murray Carter. They both change the angle of the knife to the stone depending on what and where they're sharpening. Figure out what's comfortable and works for you. Then practice, again and again.
 
I have watched all of the videos in Jon's sharpening playlist, I haven't watched any of Murray's videos though.
 
Should I be following the bevel already on it, it looks to be about 70/30, or focus on getting the correct angles by myself?
 
Should I be following the bevel already on it, it looks to be about 70/30, or focus on getting the correct angles by myself?

Again, don't focus on "angles" or numbers. I don't know where people get this stuck in their heads, but angles are not the guiding rule for knives. The knife should guide the type of angle that you use.

The actual angle of the bevel will differ based on the area you sharpen, e.g., the tip is thinner than the heel, so the angle that you're holding your knife at will differ from the heel vs. the tip to get the same bevel angle and bevel size. So, since you're just starting, I would use the magic marker/Sharpie trick, and focus on the existing bevels.

(I'm not intentionally regurgitating what Jon wrote because I didn't see that he posted before I did. But, Jon explained this to me and it was an important starting point because I had basically had to unlearn some serious misconceptions and incorrect practices about sharpening first before starting to sharpen again using better practices.)
 
I believe, Jon said in his video about the magic marker trick that you can use nail Polish remover to get the excess marker off; are there any other methods for getting it off?
 
Sounds good. Now all I have to do is work up the courage to start.

One last thing. Use light pressure since you're worried about making a mistake. A mistake using light pressure will be a much smaller mistake than one using a lot of pressure.
 
Okay. I don't have a magic marker or acetone right now, so I might try it without until I get those two things.
 
If the bevel is big enough to see then it is likely big enough to feel on the stones. You should be able to see what part of the edge you are hitting because it will be shiny. As said above, go slow and use light pressure and it will be fine
 
I believe, Jon said in his video about the magic marker trick that you can use nail Polish remover to get the excess marker off; are there any other methods for getting it off?

Since magic markers are mostly alcohol-based, you can use Vodka or even classical man's aftershave lotion - as long as it contains enough alcohol - just depends what kind of smell you want to end up with ;)
 
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