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    Mike Lee can be a little cantankerous at times but he knows a looooot about knives and is one smart SOB. I try not to argue with him, but if you can get him on your good side, he will open doors in your knife knowledge that you never knew existed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frater_Decus View Post
    Noted, and thank you for the disclaimer!
    Saying that "this is the best knife" around here is only cause you pain. There are preferences, I like em light, nible and thin. Others like them heavy, thick and robust (but still thin behind the edge.

    One brand that I hear almost universal praise for is the Yusuke Sakai. I'm guily as I have five of them. Some thick some thin and some ultra thin.

    If a 240 Guyto Yusuke Sakai in White #2 doesn't send you into knife nut euphoria. Then you probably don't like thin knives.

    good luck with your search.
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    I deleted a few post here. If you have nothing nice to say don't say it.

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    For what it's worth, I've used all of these laser-clones (own most of them) and the GC. Seb is absolutely correct. The GC doesn't belong in this group. In hand, feels similar in terms of weight but in use, its inferiority is painfully apparent. It doesn't get talked about much here because it isn't a great value either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tk59 View Post
    For what it's worth, I've used all of these laser-clones (own most of them) and the GC. Seb is absolutely correct. The GC doesn't belong in this group. In hand, feels similar in terms of weight but in use, its inferiority is painfully apparent. It doesn't get talked about much here because it isn't a great value either.
    Can you break it down for me, please? I personally have no complaints about my GC Wa, after opening up the edge, but if I'm missing something obvious, I'm happy to learn. Bearing in mind of course that there is no universal "best" knife for everyone, it seems strange to label it as inferior unless there is a quantifiable reason -- which would seem to actually be subjective, in this case. Can you detail why you don't like it, with hard data? I honestly want to learn more and so forth, and I also don't place value in speculation. Hope we can discuss without having a heated argument

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    I own a cutco and it's also an amazing laser. Highly recoomended. Anyone who disagrees has no idea what they are talking about. Even if you own one and all comparable knives. I own it, it's amazing. Best knife in the world.

    Back to reality, I have also used several of the knives being talked about. The GC does not perform like the other lasers being mentioned. The Yusuke Sakai and ginga both perform better and feel better in hand and while using in my opinion. But I have only used all of the knives I have mentioned.... I would reccomend trying one of these other knives at some point for yourself to see if you like them better. Do you have any knives to compare your GC to? Or are you just saying its amazing with never comparing it to any other J knives.

    As for handles, 2 wa handles can be very different. I have owned some that are very skinny and light weight, some that are very thick handles, the length can vary, the F&F on the handles can be different. Yes you did notice the colors in the photos were different and we are all very impressed by that. Please though, maybe think "this person had held both knives in there hand... Maybe the handles are not the same. I fact, he has a photo of both knives in his possession..... Maybe the handles are different even though they are the same general shape." It's like 2 cars that kind of look the same can be very different from one another.

    To the OP, there is a ton of great info in this thread. Honestly, I would try many of the knives recommended but not the GC. I feel there are better knives for the same kind of money. Also, I saw someone mentioned a kochi.... I do love that knife!

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    I would love to try the Ginga. How does it compare to the Yusuke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuck239 View Post
    Back to reality, I have also used several of the knives being talked about. The GC does not perform like the other lasers being mentioned. The Yusuke Sakai and ginga both perform better and feel better in hand and while using in my opinion. But I have only used all of the knives I have mentioned.... I would reccomend trying one of these other knives at some point for yourself to see if you like them better. Do you have any knives to compare your GC to? Or are you just saying its amazing with never comparing it to any other J knives.

    As for handles, 2 wa handles can be very different. I have owned some that are very skinny and light weight, some that are very thick handles, the length can vary, the F&F on the handles can be different. Yes you did notice the colors in the photos were different and we are all very impressed by that. Please though, maybe think "this person had held both knives in there hand... Maybe the handles are not the same. I fact, he has a photo of both knives in his possession..... Maybe the handles are different even though they are the same general shape." It's like 2 cars that kind of look the same can be very different from one another.
    Firstly, I am definitely not being rude or saying that the GC is objectively the best knife ever, or is superior to any other knife mentioned here, so I would appreciate less insulting behavior and more open dialogue backed up with actual hard facts. Everything else is subjective, and personal taste. I personally like my GC, and want to know, empirically, what is wrong with it, and why. As mentioned, I am totally willing to learn and hear people out, but without a real concrete reason, this is just squabbling.

    Secondly, again, your insults are not appreciated, but disregarding that -- can you detail what is wrong with the F&F of the GC? As stated, I want to learn, but the objective "why" something is "better" seems to be ignored here.

    Finally, yes, I have other knives, and look forward to expanding my collection and learning with experience and an open mind. You'll have to pardon my skepticism, but I really am just asking for concrete details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frater_Decus View Post
    Firstly, I am definitely not being rude or saying that the GC is objectively the best knife ever, or is superior to any other knife mentioned here, so I would appreciate less insulting behavior and more open dialogue backed up with actual hard facts. Everything else is subjective, and personal taste. I personally like my GC, and want to know, empirically, what is wrong with it, and why. As mentioned, I am totally willing to learn and hear people out, but without a real concrete reason, this is just squabbling.

    Secondly, again, your insults are not appreciated, but disregarding that -- can you detail what is wrong with the F&F of the GC? As stated, I want to learn, but the objective "why" something is "better" seems to be ignored here.

    Finally, yes, I have other knives, and look forward to expanding my collection and learning with experience and an open mind. You'll have to pardon my skepticism, but I really am just asking for concrete details.
    I think you would be better off trying a Sakai Yusuke yourself. It would be the best way to resolve this matter I think.

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    It's on my buy list, definitely! I look forward to giving it a shot.
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    Do vendors (other than on eBay) generally offer the sakai yusuke?

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