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    medium jnats?

    was curious about using a *low-medium jnat to finish on as part of a 2 stone combo, gesshin 600 is the first. want around 2k grit for heavy duty usage.
    i could care less about 'kasumi' finish, strictly for sharpening/touchup duties.

    anyone try the aoto from metalmaster? what about white binsui from jns, or ikarashi?

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    an aoto is what you need! =D

    aotos are around 2-4k ranges depends on the stone you get. so YMMV. =D

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    White Binsui, PM Mike (Bienek) he uses a white binsui in a 2 stone progression and swears by it
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    Do you want to the stone to work fast? If so, the white binsui or ikarashi might not be ideal for you. Without a nagura, its takes a bit of work to get a slurry going and before you start taking off any metal. My binsui and ikarashi can both finish around 2k... maybe a little less. I like both of mine, but I dont know how well they'd work in a pro environment for touchups.

    Keep in mind there's a HUGE variation in quality of natural stones, particularly at the more coarse end. A lot of binsui are very hard. I asked Maxim for his softest one, and it's still fairly hard. I think an aoto is your best bet, but you might have to try a few before you find one that you like. I don't have any experience with aoto from metalmaster, but his prices are lower than most. I've had decent luck with other stones I've bought from him.

    My huge binsui is something like 4.5" thick. I'd be open to slicing it in half and sharing if you know of a good way to cut through it

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    yes, only want fast cutting as i have no patience for sharpening, i hate doing it to begin with and only use splash n go stones. i have a nagura that came with chosera 400 would that work?

    i'm borrowing a hard aoto and if i like it, will probably try out the one from metalmaster. although i wonder if it's the same one that EE carries.

    thanks for the generous offer, but i would not want to even risk damage, i can just imagine it crumbling during any attempt at splitting, haha.

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    What's your budget panda? If budget is big, then mainaman seems to have Aizu for sale: http://www.kitchenknifeforums.com/sh...-Aisu-from-JNS

    I love using one I have for various knives, gyuto, deba, and suji for example.

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    I'm just curious - what is your thought process?

    Meaning, as a pro cook who doesn't like sharpening, why are you looking towards natural stones? I don't mean this in the critical sense, just genuinely curious. I seem to remember reading you switching from all soakers to all splash & go, and were using JNS synth aoto as your finishing stone.

    I guess part of the reason I'm confused is that I understand most JNats to be almost exclusively for pleasure when it comes to benefits vs synthetic stones. Unless you're talking about contrasting finishes (which most of us cooks don't get two f's about) or - maybe - providing a bit more of a bite at a higher grit. Otherwise it seems the JNat rabbit hole is for those who really enjoying the sharpening process & want to play around with different materials. That is my limited understanding at least.

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    I read that nats resist loading really well which is the one thing that irritates me more than fast dishing.
    Also, I'm trying to find something that also has good feedback while meeting my other criteria.
    Budget is not high at all.

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    Budget natural stone is a tough one. I have a red aoto and really like it. Sometimes though it finishes too high for where I ant to be. The way Bieniek uses finer naguras on the Binsui seems like the most reasonable way to go natural and keep the finish level down. I like the idea of mixed mud on the coarser substrate. And trying nagura sized naturals would be way cheaper than full size stones.
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    I don't know where you'd pick up a red Atagoyama ('red aoto') now, as the one 'final' one has just been sold on JNS again. BST? However, though it might suit you, on the other hand I think they get too muddy in order to be fuss-free and fast like you'd like.

    As for other aoto, sounds like the vast majority of them don't perform well and are generally a waste of time and money. Best if possible to buy from another user/collector who has had it in his collection and can vouch for its quality. How you'd come across one, though, well...

    Haven't tried a Binsui, but like my Ikarashi from JNS though I wish it were larger. I've used it without nagura, but what Vinster said is true - it isn't the fastest way to sharpen.

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