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The "Which Knife Should I Buy?" Questionnaire - v2
Please refer to the Kitchen Knife Knowledge subforum and the Kitchen Knife Glossary thread (LINK) for general information, including the knife types and other terminology used in this questionnaire.




LOCATION
What country are you in?
Finland

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
Gyuto

Are you right or left handed?
Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
Wa handle would be my preference, but yo handle is ok too.


What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
240mm

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
Yes or semi or stainless cladded carbon.

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
250$

KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
Pro


What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)

I'm looking for an all round performer. No bones thou.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
Mac pro 240 chef knife

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.)

Pinch

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.)

Chopping and rocking

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

Better steel, better edge retention.

Better aesthetics (e.g., a certain type of finish; layered/Damascus or other pattern of steel; different handle color/pattern/shape/wood; better scratch resistance; better stain resistance)?

Comfort (e.g., lighter/heavier knife; better handle material; better handle shape; rounded spine/choil of the knife; improved balance)?

Ease of Use (e.g., ability to use the knife right out of the box; smoother rock chopping, push cutting, or slicing motion; less wedging; better food release; less reactivity with food; easier to sharpen)?

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?



KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? (Yes or no.)
Wooden

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
Yes

If not, are you interested in learning how to sharpen your knives? (Yes or no.)

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)



SPECIAL REQUESTS/COMMENTS

What i'm specifically looking for is close to my Mac knife, but with better steel and preferably octagonal wa handle. I love Macs geometry, grind, distal taper, feel, f&f, balance etc. Just not the steel, which is just ok. I have few other knives in W1, B2, Vg10 and Hap40. All of which are superior over Mac steel.

Four of the most important things would be looong flat spot (and I'm talking about 70% of the blade length), a rockin tip, quality steel and not too heavy. A Konosuke HD2 funayuki 240 gyuto would probably be first on my list, but there's such an over flow of those things everywhere so who would want one? ;)

It seems most brands prefer to make these long swooping continues geometries which just don't suit my cutting styles.

I'm very interested to see what choises are out there!
 
This is as close as you'll get to the profile I think.


Itinomonn StainLess (semi stainless) 240 kasumi:


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Will have much better geometry/taper than the mac as well.

PS: not to be presumptuous, but I think you may be confusing the terms "profile" and "geometry." Profile is the shape of the knife seen from the side (pictured above). Geometry is the grind, that is, the cross-sectional geometry of the blade. And of course distal taper refers to the blade becoming thinner as you move longitudinally down the spine. At least that is how I've come to understand the terms.
 
Do you have a preference when it comes to weight (240 gyutos can weight anywhere from 130g to about 280g) and profile (how tall, flat or with more belly)

Since you are located in EU and look for stainless or semi-stainless, than I would propose you have a look at Itinomonn SemiStainless (from JNS in DK), Masakage Koishi (from cutting edge knives in UK).

There are many more knives that could fit the bill, but once you deduce the shipping cost from outside EU (usually $30 - $50) and add import duties (I guess around 25%) you will have quite a bit less budget left for the knife. Otherwise something like Gesshin Kagero (PM Msteel), Gesshin Ginga, Gesshin Uraku, Kurosaki or Tanaka (from knives and stones) and probably many others would fit the budget.

EDIT: I obviously took too long to reply - the advice already posted is good :)
 
Yep, I did mix up geometry with profile.

That Itinomonn does look very promising.

I have a Tanaka vg10 damascus gyuto and it's porfile is not flat enough. I love it but for pro stuff it looses to Mac with efficiency. To me a long flat spot (with a fockin bias tip) equals eficiency and speed. It makes a knife seem bigger and you can fit more product in one cut. And I can't go for a 270 because of the lack of prep space.

I just a few weeks ago got a Kohetsu hap40. It had all sorts of issues which I sorted. Now it's great but way too curvy belly. It almost feels like a 210.

I like the Tanaka and Kohetsu much more, but I loose in prep speed because of the excess belly. Everytime I use them I miss that flat spot and when I grab thet Mac I miss better steel, better bite and better edge retention.
 
Ever since I got the Tanaka, the Macs been assigned for beater duty only which it has been great for.

That Massashi Kobo sounds interesting too. Taller ain't no bad thing in my book.

Thanks for all the great ideas and advice! :)
 
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