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    The comparison to Mozart is an apt one, in that in Mozart's time, music was not the free-form, devil-may-care kind of exhibition it is today. Music was a trained craft, where a master taught an apprentice how music works. Things were considered 'bad' and 'good', and there were rules. Straying from the rules was not encouraged, it was considered a lack of discipline. If one could produce the same exact piece of music every night, he was a master musician.

    In this metaphor, cooks are the musicians. They do exactly what they are supposed to do, consistently, intentionally, and with skill. Their passion is in subduing their egos and respecting the menu/music, for the benefit of appreciative customers/listeners. Not everyone can be a composer. You can spend your entire life playing music and never create. You can be a master composer, and a piss poor musician.

    They are not the same thing, because they are simply different functions. The trouble with defining the line between "Art" and "Craft" is that there is a solid definition for a craft, or a trade, and the concept of "Art" is not only enternally debated, but there are folks such as Andy Warhol and Banksy who have shown over and over that Art is everything and nothing--it is so perceptually based, that not even the artist can know what it is. It is a shared illusion.

    Art is camaraderie shared by conscious beings, and reassurance that we are not alone.

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    This was resolved for me 20 years ago or so after many discussions with my best friend in college. We had a 30-40min ride there and home and many long discussions. One day this issue came up, and we spent a week or so discussing it. What propted the discussion was Andres Serrano and whether his "creation" was art or not. I thought not and my friend thought it was. After much discussion, I came up with a personal definition of art that has worked for me to this day.
    It is "Art is craft taken to excellence"
    For me this worked then and works for me now.
    So the answer to the original poster is I think it can be both.
    (Neither me or my friend changed our position on Andres-I still think he was neither craftsman nor artist)
    The nice thing about my personal definition is that it takes out some of the subjectivity out of defining art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delbert Ealy View Post
    This was resolved for me 20 years ago or so after many discussions with my best friend in college. We had a 30-40min ride there and home and many long discussions. One day this issue came up, and we spent a week or so discussing it. What propted the discussion was Andres Serrano and whether his "creation" was art or not. I thought not and my friend thought it was. After much discussion, I came up with a personal definition of art that has worked for me to this day.
    It is "Art is craft taken to excellence"
    For me this worked then and works for me now.
    So the answer to the original poster is I think it can be both.
    (Neither me or my friend changed our position on Andres-I still think he was neither craftsman nor artist)
    The nice thing about my personal definition is that it takes out some of the subjectivity out of defining art.
    Thanks,
    Del
    I can get in on this, but I word it differently. I consider art and craft to be separate concepts, but I don't care for art. If you show me a painting that looks like slop on canvas, I don't care for it. If it looks like slop on canvas and there are 3 identical versions in different colors, I'm impressed. I consider the height of craft, or virtuosity, to be the illusion of intentionality. When everything you do is assumed to be done precisely on purpose, you have mastered your craft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johndoughy View Post
    They are not the same thing, because they are simply different functions. The trouble with defining the line between "Art" and "Craft" is that there is a solid definition for a craft, or a trade, and the concept of "Art" is not only enternally debated, but there are folks such as Andy Warhol and Banksy who have shown over and over that Art is everything and nothing--it is so perceptually based, that not even the artist can know what it is. It is a shared illusion.

    Art is camaraderie shared by conscious beings, and reassurance that we are not alone.
    +1. Art debates are so based on subjective experiences that I really don't feel like it's worth it to try to convince people one way or another. Plenty of people hate Warhol and Banksy and think they're not artists, and plenty of people love them and consider them to be artists. I'm sure it's the same with how people feel about cooking. Who's to say one side has the right answer? Maybe the side that's convinced it's making art is happier, but it's certainly not the side with absolute authority over what is or isn't art (and the same goes for the other side and the in-betweens).

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    What I do is art, everything else is crap.
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    For me it's neither. I feel that we are more like the museum guides. We guide our patrons/diners through the flavours that mother nature provides, in a certain order. That's my food philosophy anyway, simple, clean, direct, natural flavours. Nothing too much done to the ingredients so they retain their individuality and natural flavours.

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    The closest to art I get is feeding my baby. That mango-banana puree is also an airplane landing in her mouth. If she smiles and eats it -- it is art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sachem allison View Post
    Food as art, okay. food that satisfies the soul much better.
    That's it for me. It's true for wine (phuck Opus One), woman (my wife) and song (60's Motown), as well.

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