Advice wanted on choosing 210mm stainless workhorse-ish wa gyuto

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Hi,

Looking to buy a new knife and and hoping you fine people can help me with the choice.

LOCATION
What country are you in?
...USA

KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)?
…Gyuto

Are you right or left handed?
...Right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle?
...Wa

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)?
...210mm

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no)
...Yes

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife?
...$320


KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment?
...Home -- It's not like I'm prepping for hours a day, so possible fatigue from a heavy knife not an issue

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.)
...Vegetable prep — chopping, slicing, mincing. Hard root veges to softer veges.

What knife, if any, are you replacing?
...None

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use?
...Pinch

What cutting motions do you primarily use?
...Push cut / Chop / Walking

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)
...My favorite knife (carbon) is a Watanabe 210mm kurouchi pro gyuto — not replacing that, just want something similar in stainless, particularly when I’ve got guests over and we’re cooking together. Workhorse-ish to medium-weight.

Better aesthetics (e.g., a certain type of finish; layered/Damascus or other pattern of steel; different handle color/pattern/shape/wood; better scratch resistance; better stain resistance)?
...Layered/Damascus not usually something I go for, but if it were subtle enough, maybe…

Comfort (e.g., lighter/heavier knife; better handle material; better handle shape; rounded spine/choil of the knife; improved balance)?
...Prefer a standard Japanese-size handle — a bit bigger is fine but not massively bigger. No real preference for wood or handle shape (D, Hex, round, etc. — all OK)

Steel
...Not set on anything -- very open to suggestions

Ease of Use (e.g., ability to use the knife right out of the box; smoother rock chopping, push cutting, or slicing motion; less wedging; better food release; less reactivity with food; easier to sharpen)?
...Would be nice if it was all-aroundy enough to handle potatoes, carrots, and onions and other veggies without food release or wedging issues.

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?
...Edge retention a plus; I don’t sharpen as often as I should, though I do have the gear.


KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? (Yes or no.)
...Yes, rubber and wood.

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.)
...Yes, I’ve got an Apex Pro system.

Are you interested in purchasing sharpening products for your knives? (Yes or no.)
...No — All set

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Thanks!

James in Berkeley, California
 
Welcome. For a mid weight stainless 210, for 3 bills, it would be hard to beat a Gesshin Gengetsu from Japanese Knife Imports. Available in stainless clad white or stainless clad stainless, nice flat spot, very good food release, excellent f/f. And I think it's on sale for 10% off for a week or so.
 
Welcome. For a mid weight stainless 210, for 3 bills, it would be hard to beat a Gesshin Gengetsu from Japanese Knife Imports. Available in stainless clad white or stainless clad stainless, nice flat spot, very good food release, excellent f/f. And I think it's on sale for 10% off for a week or so.

+1. I absolutely love my semi stainless Gengetsu. Not a workhorse but it laughs at both soft and hard vege without wedging.
 
+2 for the Gesshin Gengetsu from JKI. I was looking at this knife before deciding on the Gesshin Uraku. I decided on the Uraku, because im a beginner to J-knives and was it was recommended by Jon, along with their Stainless line. You can go on YouTube and Jon has a whole video on just the Gengetsu line of knives.
 
I don't understand the "workhorse" thing. Does that just mean a thick knife? Thick double-bevel knives aren't really good for anything, IMO.

Get a Gesshin Ginga.
 
yeah... when i think workhorse, i dont think super hard/thin/brittle. The gengetsu or ginga are not at the top of my head. I usually go for something softer and more tough and durable.
 
I've cut several varieties of winter squash with my 210 Ginga and it did a great job. Much better than my Watanabe 210, which about as thick as an axe. Any problems you'd have are probably technique-related.
 
The Ginga it is!

I'm not actually looking for some crazy-thick battle-axe of steel. The ginga sounds great as the all-rounder I need.

Ginga ordered -- thanks guys!

James
 
I don't understand the "workhorse" thing. Does that just mean a thick knife? Thick double-bevel knives aren't really good for anything, IMO.

Respectfully disagree. Both thin and thicker knives have their pros and cons (assuming the knife has a grind optimised for food release given its level of thickness).
 
Abandon walking with your new knife. And consider free hand sharpening as jig systems tend to thicken the blade rapidly.
 
With free hand sharpening you start behind the edge before reaching to the very edge. So you thin a bit everytime you sharpen. Jig systems usually don't allow the very low angles used with thinning.
 
Both thin and thicker knives have their pros and cons (assuming the knife has a grind optimised for food release given its level of thickness).

yep. no such thing as a 'spineless' workhorse imho
 
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