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mantrarxidia

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LOCATION
What country are you in? Greece



KNIFE TYPE
What type of knife are you interested in (e.g., chef’s knife, slicer, boning knife, utility knife, bread knife, paring knife, cleaver)? petty

Are you right or left handed? right

Are you interested in a Western handle (e.g., classic Wusthof handle) or Japanese handle? I want to try a japanese handle, I like the classic ikon handle if it helps

What length of knife (blade) are you interested in (in inches or millimeters)? 150-165mm

Do you require a stainless knife? (Yes or no) no

What is your absolute maximum budget for your knife? 200 euros



KNIFE USE
Do you primarily intend to use this knife at home or a professional environment? professional

What are the main tasks you primarily intend to use the knife for (e.g., slicing vegetables, chopping vegetables, mincing vegetables, slicing meats, cutting down poultry, breaking poultry bones, filleting fish, trimming meats, etc.)? (Please identify as many tasks as you would like.) mainly fine work, carving art

What knife, if any, are you replacing? classic ikon utility/jck kagayaki vg 10

Do you have a particular grip that you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for the common types of grips.) pinch

What cutting motions do you primarily use? (Please click on this LINK for types of cutting motions and identify the two or three most common cutting motions, in order of most used to least used.) with my utility mainly push cuts, draw cuts and slicing

What improvements do you want from your current knife? If you are not replacing a knife, please identify as many characteristics identified below in parentheses that you would like this knife to have.)

Better aesthetics (e.g., a certain type of finish; layered/Damascus or other pattern of steel; different handle color/pattern/shape/wood; better scratch resistance; better stain resistance)? not that important

Comfort (e.g., lighter/heavier knife; better handle material; better handle shape; rounded spine/choil of the knife; improved balance)? lighter and I want to try a japanese handle

Ease of Use (e.g., ability to use the knife right out of the box; smoother rock chopping, push cutting, or slicing motion; less wedging; better food release; less reactivity with food; easier to sharpen)? for more than twice the price of the classic ikon I expect it will be generally a step up

Edge Retention (i.e., length of time you want the edge to last without sharpening)?



KNIFE MAINTENANCE
Do you use a bamboo, wood, rubber, or synthetic cutting board? (Yes or no.) medium to hard plastic boards mainly

Do you sharpen your own knives? (Yes or no.) yes

I am torn between these knives, but I am open to suggestions

https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...y-120mm-and-150mm-2-sizes?variant=39308410830
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...es-blue-steel-no-2-clad-wa-petty150mm5-9-inch
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...-zan-r-2-clad-wa-series-wa-petty165mm-6-4inch
https://japanesechefsknife.com/coll...i-white-steel-2-series-wa-petty-150mm-5-9inch
 
I don’t have any of the ones you listed but I’ve had my eye on that Mizuno for some time. Also you might want to check out the Ginga, it’s well suited to fine work and available in 150 wa-petty.
 
Have a look at Watanabe professional

+1, also is stainless clad...
i'd avoid iron cladding...go stainless, stainless clad or at least monosteel

Also the TF nashiji 150 petty for really cheap (70 bucks or so? and maybe a roll of the dice)
is white 1 with stainless clad will out cut the typical wustoff for sure... if that the main goal.
 
Watanabe professional knives only have 1 petty, it costs the same at the mizuno and it looks a bit dodgy. I think I'll go with the mizuno I just don't know if I want an octagon or a d shaped handle.
 
tf 150 petty is best!!!! TFTFTFTFTFTFTFTF

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Watanabe professional knives only have 1 petty, it costs the same at the mizuno and it looks a bit dodgy. I think I'll go with the mizuno I just don't know if I want an octagon or a d shaped handle.
200ish usd for a hand made 150mm SS clad blue steel petty from a well respected maker who treats that steel super well is hardly dodgy.
 
A little over your budget, but well worth it...especially for the work you described... It is also sold out but you might find it elsewhere.
Takeshi Saji SRS-13 Custom Series Petty 135mm (5.3 inch, Black Linen Micarta Handle
https://japanesechefsknife.com/collections/saji-specials/products/takeshi-saji-srs-13-custom-series-petty-135mm-5-3-inch-black-linen-micarta-handle

If a Honesuke(boning knife) and a Petty knife known for being nimble and precise had a baby..this is what you will get. A nimble, precise, and light Honesuke.
 
Watanabe professional knives only have 1 petty, it costs the same at the mizuno and it looks a bit dodgy. I think I'll go with the mizuno I just don't know if I want an octagon or a d shaped handle.

A round shaped handle is way more comfortable and gives you more angles to start/work with...like the Saji knife I suggested.
 
Watanabe professional knives only have 1 petty, it costs the same at the mizuno and it looks a bit dodgy. I think I'll go with the mizuno I just don't know if I want an octagon or a d shaped handle.
In which way does it look dodgy? Are you talking about the plasic ferrule? The handle is quite light (as is the rest of the knife). The kurochi is very neat. The steel is easy to sharpen and stays sharp ages. The knife cuts like a demon.

Having said that, I have a Miz Akitada Hontanren gyuto and it is also a very nice knife.
 
I don't know if the knife is good or not, however when I google watanabe professional i find this http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/ , they offer 1 petty knife (120mm, 150mm) if you go on the professional tab, but it is not listed in their stock list. Clicking on the professional knives tab takes you here http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/pro/pro.htm , again no petty knives listed. Maybe the knives are excellent but the website looks dodgy.
 
I happen to own a SS clad Blue steel 150 Watanabe pro petty (not KU, I had him polish the stainless cladding).

If you want to know anything specific about it let me know.
 
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I don't know if the knife is good or not, however when I google watanabe professional i find this http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/ , they offer 1 petty knife (120mm, 150mm) if you go on the professional tab, but it is not listed in their stock list. Clicking on the professional knives tab takes you here http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/pro/pro.htm , again no petty knives listed. Maybe the knives are excellent but the website looks dodgy.

http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/pro/petite.htm

check out the url for the petite knife...it says /pro/ in the header
standard are listed as /standard/, for comparison,

http://www.kitchen-knife.jp/standard/

they are not ovelry pointy profiles, more like mini gyutos

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the website looks dodgy.
Keep in mind that this is a one-man operation. Sin is forging, heat treating and grinding the blades as well as sourcing quality natural stones. And presumably running a business with purchases and sales. And responding to your emails patiently and in short order in a language other then his own (his English is very good BTW). If in maintaining a website in two languages, he presents the information in a way that is not intuitive to some people, I think that we can forgive him. I personally don't find the website difficult to understand. It essentially presents a menu of ideas that are customizable (for example, if you want your petty without kurochi, then he can grind that off for you for a few extra Yen).

If you did decide to email him I suspect that you would be pleasantly surpsrised at the level of information and feeback you will get. To say nothing of the level of customization that is available in the knives. And you get to communicate with the guy that made your beautiful knife. What's not to like?
 
I sent him an email asking about shipping. On a side note, I have been planning to buy a wa gyuto at some point, ignoring sharpening difficulty, I am between the fu-rin-ka-zan zdp 189 https://japanesechefsknife.com/products/fu-rin-ka-zan-zdp-189-clad?variant=29936622403 and the watanabe 240 gyuto. What has your experience been with either?

P.S.: for better or for worse, appearances are important, I got interested in watanabe knives because they got recommend by people here, otherwise I would've skipped them thinking they're dodgy.
 
The 240 Watanabe will be a true workhorse and on the thicker/heavier side of things but with a very thin edge (thick spine but tapers drastically behind the edge). Also, the spine doesn't narrow down too much as you get close to the tip. Someone expecting a thin, light knife will be surprised. Picture a "fatter" Toyama.
 
The Wat is indeed a workhorse style grind. It sharpens easily and well. Edge holding is not bad.

I haven't used zdp189 but I suspect that it will sharpen neither as easily or as well but will probaly stay sharp for quite a bit longer.
 
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