Didn't read all the posts but if you check Marshall's and tjmaxx they carry, at this time of year, all clad seconds. Got all my stuff there the last two years for about 25 percent of Williams Sonoma price. My 2 recent purchases were a copper core 12 inch fry pan for 100 and a copper core stock pot for 149. Not a thing wrong with either
++1 i picked up some 4qt and 6 qt mauviel copper saucepans with cast iron handles and lids for $60 from there once.