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    Steel search trends

    just posted knife steel search trends page.
    Considering that knife steel chart is getting quite some use, I've figured it'd be worth doing some statistical analysis. At least to see what were popular searches, etc.
    Unfortunately, even though I have masters deg. in math, it's been a very long time since I have had anything to do with statistics, and it's a science on its own. I've started research and it's quite a bit more complicated than I wanted for a hobby project. Although, it's still interesting and I keep researching the subject.
    Besides, statistics is an expensive operation in terms of CPU load, and I have to consider that as well.

    Still, I did couple primitive stats, and to be honest I was both, surprised and disappointed.

    There are two measurements posted for now, top 10 individual alloys and top 10 comparisons for last 7 weeks.
    Although, the content of my own pages affects the later. The top comparisons come from the links embedded in the knife steel faq and kitchen knife steel faq. I'm not really decided whether or not to skip the links form my pages for the cleanness of the results, may be I'll keep both.

    Disappointing, because there is nothing really interesting in terms of steels. 154Cm, VG-10, etc. I have no clue what's so interesting about 440A to end up on 3rd place. Actually no idea why 154CM/ATS-34 are on the 1st place either. On the other hand, I don't know why I was expecting exotic alloys to be more researched

    I'll add more statistics later on, if you have any insight into statistical analysis, I'll be happy to hear.

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    Some of those alloys are probably thought of as standards. If I wanted to look up something exotic, I'd want a benchmark for comparison. I might search several common benchmarks to refamiliarize myself before I jump into some exotics.

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    I am inclined to believe that people don't research more exotic and rarer steels because they aren't readily available. The times I have searched your site have been when I want to know the characteristics of a steel not difficult to obtain in order to know whether or not it is a good choice to make a knife. I am guessing most people probably do the same.

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    I'm surprised the top searched steel is only .8% of your searches. That's good news at least; people are checking lots of steels out!

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    Well, like I said I have no clue, surprising result is a result too.
    And yes, the fact that top two have less than 1% was also a surprise. There's thousands of searches logged daily, pretty much everything is looked at. Just the sheer amount of data is making complicated to write more sophisticated analysis, or display more alloys.
    I think another interesting metric would be to track an interest for a particular alloy during certain period. Not that expensive to implement, but will require adequate user interface to code, and a line graph engine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator View Post
    Disappointing, because there is nothing really interesting in terms of steels. 154Cm, VG-10, etc. I have no clue what's so interesting about 440A to end up on 3rd place. Actually no idea why 154CM/ATS-34 are on the 1st place either. On the other hand, I don't know why I was expecting exotic alloys to be more researched

    I'll add more statistics later on, if you have any insight into statistical analysis, I'll be happy to hear.
    I can't help you on the stats, but you probably have some analytics program to see where hits are coming from that might explain why people search for certain things. I remember the 440 steels coming up on Chowhound every now and then. Isn't Cutco 440a? I have actually searched for those steels a few times on your site after a discussion on Chow, but people often read past posts or an old post gets bumped and you have a new batch of searches. I'd be interested in where your hits are coming from too.

    k.

    Edit: case in point. Here is a post from Chowhound on Dec 23rd that lists your site and 440a.
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    try grouping your result by stainless and not stainless and then sub divide it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr drinky View Post
    ...you probably have some analytics program to see where hits are coming from that might explain why people search for certain things.
    Well, yes and no. Web server log analyzer can do little when it comes to interpreting data as actual steel with its properties. Referrers data can be helpful at least in filtering some of the data.
    In short normal logs don't help much, and digging them from text logs for the live pages is too costly.
    Chowhound is somewhere in 40-50th position as a referrer in general, I suppose steel links also will fall in the same category. Point is, it's gonna be very hard to automate analysis by referrers, as it would require referring page content analysis.

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    try grouping your result by stainless and not stainless and then sub divide it.
    Yeah, I'm considering that (stainless,non stainless) although the division might stir some controversies, like what is exactly stainless and what not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gator View Post
    ...Yeah, I'm considering that (stainless,non stainless) although the division might stir some controversies, like what is exactly stainless and what not...
    What's wrong with that? If that's the sort of controversy that rips apart this community, I'd be amazed.

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    Thinking on this today, I came up with a few questions. does your app go to the most seen page? Is this even covering what the app does or is that a whole different ball of wax? (I never dl'd your app. but love the idea.)

    Btw I would rather take 10yrs of chem, physics and calculus; and have a enema with a root canal at the same time than take statics again.

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